Obama breaking pledges to not campaign in MI and FL?

[2rth2pwr]

CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- Barack Obama's surging presidential campaign announced Monday that he will visit politically neglected Florida and Michigan, as he focuses on a general election strategy with his primary race winding down.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1131ap_democrats.html
It will be Obama's first time in either state since signing a pledge nine months ago not to campaign in the two states that violated national party rules with early primaries. Obama will have to build relationships in the two critical general election battlegrounds if he wins the Democratic nomination. ...

All the Democratic presidential candidates agreed on boycotting Michigan and Florida. Clinton won both states, but no delegates were awarded. Restoring the delegates is a major part of Clinton's longshot strategy for the nomination.

As she campaigned in West Virginia on Mother's Day, Clinton rejected any suggestion that she's dropping out of the race. She used campaign stops to remind voters of women who didn't give up in difficult situations, who fought for equal rights, broke into male-dominated professions and succeeded when others told them to quit.

She quoted Eleanor Roosevelt, telling supporters: "A woman is like a tea bag. You never know how strong she is until she is in hot water."...

"Why can't Senator Obama beat Senator Clinton in West Virginia? Voters there have heard that he's the presumptive nominee," Clinton campaign strategist Howard Wolfson said on "Fox News Sunday." "They've seen the great press he's gotten in the past couple of days. Let's let them decide. They have an opportunity. They want to end this on Tuesday, they're perfectly capable of it."

[jenmito]

1. Desperation, thy name is 2rth2pwr.

:rofl:

[bowens43]

Hate to break it to you bubba

but he didn't pledge not to campaign in Fl and Mi for the GE. He already soundly defeated hillary and now it's on to McCain.

[2rth2pwr]

6. Primary is not over.

[AllentownJake]

7. Your like

That japanese soldier sitting in the jungle refusing to surrender.

[jenmito]

12. Not in Hillaryland.

:rofl:

[bowens43]

18. It's over.

[Imagevision]

78. I agree it's over - Hillary is looking for an out and the VP. spot. (never happen)

[movonne]

31. I feel very sorry for you because I sure know how bad it feels when

your candidate doesn't win. I have been there and done that and it is heartbreaking..let's all try and get along now...

[2rth2pwr]

37. When she has lost the nomination, I will concede.

[scheming daemons]

76. Since you'll never admit that she has lost... i.e. you'll keep moving the goalposts....

...it means you'll never have to concede.


Once he reaches 2025... you'll say it is 2209.... once he reaches 2209... you'll say that nothing is final until they vote at the convention, since they can change their minds.



Sorry.... it's over. And deep down, you know it.

[2rth2pwr]

93. I will stick with the rules here at DU. This place is still GD:Primaries.

[shaniqua6392]

87. He has a lot of work to do here in Michigan.

At this point he is not thought too highly of with the exception of the Detroit, Saginaw and possibly Ann Arbor areas. McCain is the one getting all the good press every time he comes. Many Michiganders preferred Senator Clinton and she soundly won the primary election. I don't know where her voters will go if Obama is the nominee. He will have to work pretty hard to win them over.

[Vinca]

2. He's campaigning for the general election. nt

[havocmom]

5. We have a WINNER!

:applause:

[2rth2pwr]

14. He hasn't won the nomination yet.

[TheWraith]

17. Yes, he has. The fact that you don't recognize that doesn't change the facts.

[Vinca]

20. You need a dose of reality. We've got to start running against

McCain and Hillary not stepping down can't be a roadblock anymore.

[Benhurst]

30. Bow down! Obama is the Nominee Presumptuous.

[Hola]

43. He isn't breaking the pledge

because the pledge only states no campaigning only prior to Feb 5th. Duh!

[iamthebandfanman]

44. and then you woke up! n/t

[Tesha]

50. You may chose to believe he hasn't, but that don't make it so. (NT)

[RoadRage]

64. He also hasn't lost the nomination yet.. as Clinton HAS (even if she won't admit it)..

Frankly, as a DEM supporter - you should be happy to see the presumtive nominee working hard to undo the damage that has been done in those states, so that we have a shot of not losing the state to McCain in November.

[PoliticalAmazon]

75. The important thing is that both FL aqnd MI's faux primaries are OVER. n/t

[rodeodance]

73. obama is trying to do a dixiechix and make nice. Nope-too late-he blew !!

[Kittycat]

3. THey've already had their primaries. He's going to build GE support.

And I applaud him for it. He's going to start early healing any divide that might exist over the problems plagued by their own democratic leadership's failure to the state.

[AllentownJake]

4. Why do you hate Freedom

That's about as much sense as your post makes.

[Cant trust em]

8. Hooray for authoritarianism! NT

[AllentownJake]

15. I was saying

that this post makes as much sense as that statement.

[Cant trust em]

16. I know. I laughed. I guess I forgot to add :sarcasm:.

It's a barely cognitive Monday for me.

[Egnever]

9. Holy crap what do you think you accomplish with this ?

[billyoc]

10. The pledge was not to campaign there before the phony primaries.

They're over.

[book_worm]

11. Obviously he is campaigining now for the GE so he's not breaking any pledges

[Waya]

13. I hate to say it.......

......but in the big picture - WV is not important. Yea sounds bad, but so it is. WV will not vote Dem in the fall. No way, no how.
And why shouldn't Obama go to MI and FL? He is starting his General Campaign - completely bypassing Hillary - FL and MI matter in the fall..... and, really, let Hill have her win in WV and KY - it matters not.

[Lyric]

23. Wrong, West Virginia would have voted Dem for Clinton.

It still MIGHT if Obama puts her on the ticket. But for Obama alone? Unless he picks Robert Byrd or Jay Rockefeller as his running mate, then there's no path to a WV electoral victory for him.

[Waya]

25. When was the last time......

.....WV was a deciding factor in a General?

[AllentownJake]

28. 2000

If Gore would have won it he wouldn't have needed Florida.

However no matter who the nominee is on the democratic side the coal industry will come out against due to our enviromental stances we shouldn't abandon and people will vote for their profession.

As long as they are mining coal in WV they will be solidly GOP in Presidential Elections.

They can vote for democratic senators because they own them. They're 5 electoral votes won't scare any President and they aren't dumb enough to believe it would.

[TahitiNut]

19. So, he may be removed from the primary ballot in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, & South Carolina???

After all, that's the "penalty" for campaigning in Michigan or Florida. God Forbid the People of Michigan actually get to ask candidates questions! God Forbid candidates spend their money in Michigan!

The fucking vultures that want to get some stupid political advantage with imbeciles by spewing such vomit are really detestable.
:grr:

[Lerkfish]

21. LOL! you just can't write comedy like this.

[Tesha]

52. Well, you *CAN*, but it wouldn't sell any better than the OP's OP did. (NT)

[CakeGrrl]

22. WRONG. Again. Read your own OP

Obama is thinking ahead and campaigning for the General Election, where MI and FL are going to vote for the POTUS no matter what happened in the Democratic primary.

Thanks for highlighting the delusional goalpost-dragging by Howard Wolfson, making his case on FOX NEWS, of course!

No Howard...WV has ALWAYS been in the bag for HRC big-time. Don't even TRY to act as if you guys would really quit if HRC lost WV. :rofl:

North Carolina effectively "ended it" for you guys. WV can't do much numerically either way. But Oregon will drive another nail into the coffin even if you guys decide to ignore it.

[skipos]

24. Where you upset when Hillary went to Florida

for her "the tide is turning!" speech #27 of 2343?

[democrattotheend]

26. It's ok to campaign in MI and FL now. Primaries are over.

Clinton has campaigned in both Michigan and Florida since the primaries (she gave an election night rally in Florida after the polls closed, and went to Michigan to try to rally support for a revote).

The boycott was only in place before the primaries took place.

[K Gardner]

27. I know you have difficulty with Geography, History and Civics... i.e.

("Obama thought there were FIFTY states !!"), but here's a quick refresher for you:

PRIMARIES PICK NOMINEE
OBAMA IS THE NOMINEE
Then comes.. TA DA... The GENERAL ELECTION. He is in GE mode. For further clarification see: Wikipedia: Basic Knowledge

[2rth2pwr]

29. Do you have one of those linky things announcing his nomination? Thanks.

[graycem]

33. The sun will definitely

come up tomorrow. I don't have a link providing "proof" of that, but logic tells me that it will. :shrug: He's won. :)

[2rth2pwr]

47. Didn't think so.

[graycem]

49. Didn't think what?

That logic exists? Okkkkkk :P

[2rth2pwr]

55. The post you responded to asked for a link.

[graycem]

57. And I explained to you..

how logic doesn't need a link. But carry on. :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Math, don't forget basic arithmethic

[graycem]

67. That's been done before..

I was trying to be different... :P *sigh*

[2rth2pwr]

69. Didn't think so.

[Exilednight]

32. There was no campaigning allowed in MI or FL until after they held their primaries. In fact, ......

Hillary went to Florida the night of their primary, after the polls closed, and spoke with supporters.

[marmar]

34. Umm, the Truth to This Power is that Obama is no longer campaigning for the primaries....

.... when he visits the Great State of Michigan and the land of jacked-up ballots this time, it's all about November.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. GENERAL ELECTION you numb nutt

[2rth2pwr]

36. You again. Posting in the Primaries forum.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. GD-POLITICS... get it through your head, POLITICS

and the PRIMARIES are OVER

[2rth2pwr]

72. You are in denial. Where do you see GD:Politics?

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. You new to DU? Or just dense

this forum has been called GD Politics since oh early on. It might morph to primaries (as far as I remember only this year), but it is Politics

If you do not remember or know that... it ain't my fault

Anyhow... how's your math? Because the primary, by any OBJECTIVE metric is over.

You are now free to line up behind the nominee

Vote for McCain

Stay home

Not vote

Or vote third party

Those are your choices...

Oh and the nominee is NOT Clinton. Deal with it.

Oops after checking your profile, you are new... I see

[2rth2pwr]

91. As far as I know, it will be called primaries while the primary is still going on.

If you have an issue with when the primaries end, you may want to plead your case to the admins.

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. Don't have to

it's over... everybody but some on DU knows it.

So on to the GE.

Don't like it, oh well

but it's over

[MonkeyFunk]

80. It doesn't matter

the primaries in FL and MI are over. That's why Clinton was able to hold a rally in Florida the night of the Primary.

This is a really dumb thread.

[wileedog]

38. Hillary was in MI in March

Just sayin

[MikeDJohn]

41. She was also in FL eom

[underpants]

51. She went to Fla THE NIGHT OF THE NON-PRIMARY

:eyes:

Wecloem to DU :hi: Mike the ey roll is not towards you but towards this instant rewriting if history

[Kokonoe]

39. Are you saying MI and FL should not count as Hillary pledged.

Or just not for Obama.

[theboss]

40. Um....did you really think he would NEVER campaign in Florida?

I think that would be pretty dumb.

[DefenseLawyer]

42. Over??? Did you say over? Nothing is over until 2rth2pwr decides it is!

Was it over when Obama bombed Pearl Harbor????

[2rth2pwr]

48. The power I speak truth to now, is the overwhelming Obama supporters on DU.

[DefenseLawyer]

53. The time has come for someone to put his foot down!

And that foot, is you.

[Prophet 451]

90. "Ignore it, he's on a roll" n/t

[iamthebandfanman]

45. Wow, so now hillary supporters want to take away their vote in the GE too?

why else would someone be mad at campaigning in the states for the GE.

why dont you want peoples votes to count! god!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. Pardon me?

Weren't you one of the people who were just saying we should stop picking on poor little Hillary Clinton and start picking on McCain?

[2rth2pwr]

56. Where?

[PretzelWarrior]

54. In Oregon et al..he's campaigning against Hillary. In MI/FL

he's campaigning against McCain. This primary race is over. She just won't accept the memos being delivered daily telling her so.

[Lucky 13]

58. He's not even paying any attention to Hillary anymore. Why should he? The primary is over.

He's already campaigning for the general, sparring with McCain, Lieberman and Mittens, and has this democratic nomination in the bag. The rest is formality.

150 delegates to 2025!!!

[last1standing]

60. Watching Hillary wallow in the mud while Obama moves on must really hurt you.

Good.

[NeedleCast]

61. It's Over

Really.

Time to accept.

[Occam Bandage]

62. He's not campaigning for the primaries there. He's campaigning for the GE.

[Imagevision]

81. I agree Obama is doing Fla. for the GE. not because of Hillary...

[rinsd]

63. C'mon now...that is just silly. Those elections have already happened.

[phrigndumass]

66. ...

[2rth2pwr]

70. Selsun Blue helps with that.

[Name removed]

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[MonkeyFunk]

71. this is dumb

the pledge had nothing to do with the general election.

[Danger Mouse]

83. trying to wrap my head around it, but it just ain't working.

[scheming daemons]

74. Pledge was only to not campaign prior to the rogue primaries in those states....

Afterwards was NOT part of the deal.




...nice try, though.

[Overseas]

79. HRC supporters desperately scrounging for gotcha notes. //nt

[Danger Mouse]

82. Wolfson you douchebag, your level of delusion borders on the sublimely hilarous.

[MonkeyFunk]

86. to be fair

Wolfson isn't arguing that the pledge precludes campaigning in FL and MI at this point.

[Danger Mouse]

88. i'm responding to his trying to claim that WV will decide the outcome of this race.

[MonkeyFunk]

89. well, I don't think he's saying that

but whatever.

[Prophet 451]

84. That only applies to primary campaigning, surely

If he doesn't campaign for the GE until Hillary (finally) steps down, then we're going to be giving McCain a big head start.

As for Hillary's plan to get the delegates reinstated; Florida is a possibility but Michigan isn't since Obama wasn't on the ballot there and she's ruled out teh only fair solution, a re-vote.

Did Eleanor Roosevelt really say that? I always thought that was an urban myth.

[progressoid]

85. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa!

Oh, sorry, I thought this was a joke thread.

Damn, I'm always doing that.

[Blarch]

92. He would be campaigning for the GE...

since the primary has already happened in MI and FL ..

I wouldn't expect hillary hacks to figure this out.

[oxbow]

95. This post is misleading and divisive

Obama, like Clinton, pledged not to run in FL or MI in the Democratic PRIMARY. If you remember, Hillary was the one who broke that pledge and visited FL. She's the one who owes an answer on this, if you wanna get all nitpicky about it. Please remove the beams from your own eyes before pointing out specks in anybody else's.

Also, your signature line is offensive and designed to anger Obama supporters. How would you feel if an Obama supporter put Clinton's "hardworking white Americans" remark in their sig line? You still have the right to promote your candidate. But once you begin trying to destroy what is now our best chance for the GE, you are crossing an intolerable line. Either run a classy campaign or don't campaign at all.

[karynnj]

96. That was BEFORE the primary, there is absolutely no problem with going there now!