Why blue collar white voters don't vote for Obama ?

[RethugAssKicker]

The media keeps asking this question ... like they really don't know what the
reason is... and all the "eggsperts" they ask pretend that they really don't understand it..

It is very simple... They won't vote for Obama because he is BLACK...

Why the fuck won't they just say it !!

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[Marrah_G]

2. SO you are claiming blue collar white Democrats are Racists? Is that what you really think?

If you do then I would say you need to re-evaluate your own brand of racism.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. No, they're just "hard working".

:eyes:

[Marrah_G]

8. So you do consider blue collar white Democrats to be Racists.

Oh, yes, except the ones who voted for Obama. Those ones are the good ones. The rest are just a bunch of Racists.

Is that REALLY what you are trying to say? I want to be clear and make sure I am not mistaking your view before I rid my screen of you.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. According to Senator Clinton they are 'hard working'

I take her at her word on that.

:rofl:

[Marrah_G]

31. Keep on tap dancing.

[RethugAssKicker]

6. Many are bigots and will not vote for a black man..

Does that make me a racist?...

So what is your opinion?...rather than calling me names

[Marrah_G]

11. I would say some are probably bigots

You are saying they all are.

You find Bigots in every group.

People everywhere have prejudices. Yes they are wrong.

But for you to label a huge portion of Americans as racist just because they do not support your candidate is very, very wrong.

The majority of Democrats will vote for Obama in November. The Majority of those voters are both white and middle class.

You are insulting, without reason, a big chunk of the votes we need in November.

Why do you see nothing wrong with that?

If you are labeling people because of their skin color, yes, that is racist behavior.

It does not belong on DU.

[Jamastiene]

19. Well said.

That's what I was trying to say, but the steam from my ears and the cuss words got in the way. I'm so sick of being called a racist because I happen to support Senator Clinton (D) in a DEMOCRATIC Presidential Primary. :mad: :banghead:

[backscatter712]

24. There wouldn't be so much animosity...

if Hillary actually acted like a Democrat rather than a Republican with a "D" next to her name...

[Marrah_G]

29. She is a Democrat, acts like a Democrat, has a great Liberal rating-

You view on this topic, in my opinion, is extremely warped.

[rodeodance]

44. LIES like your's cause the problems.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

20. The person you are responding to is either baiting you or is really that obtuse

Either way, I'm done with coddling her type.

There are racists in this country. Most of whom will not vote for Barack Obama. Some of whom are blue collar. Some of whom are voting for Hillary Clinton right now. Ergo, some of (who are we kidding probably a LOT of) Hillary Clinton's blue collar white supporters are racist.

[Marrah_G]

26. His post said the reason that white blue collars won't vote for Obama is because he is black

THAT IS what he SAID.

Calling all blue collar workers who did not vote for Obama Racists is VERY VERY Wrong and has no place on DU.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

33. Having traveled to both NV and TX to canvass for Obama

As well as doing it in my own state, I can tell you there are a lot of uneducated racists in this country. Educated ones too.

Oh, and it's real cute how you parse your words: "..."blue collar workers who did not vote for Obama..."

Let's talk about the ones who WON'T vote for Obama, shall we? Many of whom are voting for Hillary Clinton right now. Many of whom are listening to the dog whistles of Hillary and Bill.

Again, I'm done coddling people in willful denial. THAT'S what has no place on DU.

[Marrah_G]

36. I think you are very wrong abou the numbers who "won't " vote for Obama

We won't know until the GE, but I believe almost all of the people who voted for Hillary will vote for Obama in the GE.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

37. 50% of Clinton voters in IN said they would vote for McCain in Nov.

I take them at their word on that.

[Marrah_G]

40. I believe those people are speaking from emotion during an emotional time

One the Primary is over, those same people will look at both Obama and the monster that is McCain and realize that they need to put their own disappointment aside and vote for Obama. Even if the only reason is that they see him as the lesser of two evils.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

42. I believe a lot of them will do that, and still vote for McCain.

Because they got an email saying that Obama is a Muslim with a scary black preacher who is really an atheist who doesn't salute the flag. And wants to give reparations to black people and raise their welfare checks. I heard every one of those things.

[Marrah_G]

45. We shall see then won't we

Perhaps we could wait until after the Election instead of just accusing people of something before hand.

[Scout]

61. according to his logic, then Senator Clinton's supporters can say this:

The media keeps asking this question ... like they really don't know what the
reason is... and all the "eggsperts" they ask pretend that they really don't understand it..

It is very simple... They won't vote for Clinton because she is FEMALE...

Why the fuck won't they just say it !!

[VotesForWomen]

67. if Obama was a black *woman,* YOU wouldn't vote for her, so you can save your self-righteous racism

charges.

[stillcool]

15. The 'media' has been having...

a lollapalooza over race for this entire campaign season. It is not difficult at all to understand what Pat Buchanan means by the choice of words he uses when describing Obama's problem with the white vote. It is unfortunate that so many people give credence to what the cable talks shows have to say. Every day the idea is reinforced that this country is so racially divided that Senator Obama is "unelectable". And the only group that has been touted as not voting for Senator Obama is the blue collar white uneducated voter. It is what it is.

[krawhitham]

50. YEP

I'm a blue collar white union member from ohio and without a doubt MOST of my union brothers and sisters are RACISTS


sad but true

[VotesForWomen]

65. yep; that's exactly what s/he is saying. i think a hard rain is gonna fall on Cult Obama in Nov. t

they just can't help themselves from playing the race card, and it is going to kick them in the ass.

[uponit7771]

4. Our media isn't full of critical thinkers (see Iraq war coverage) and miss the fact that Iowa, Orego

...and a ton of other states that have smaller than a 3% other than white vote in it have gone double digits to Obama.

They show their ignorance and reasons why we shouldn't believe them

[Texas Hill Country]

7. Iowa is a caucus and Oregon hasnt voted yet?

[Texas Hill Country]

5. you people are ridiculous... this meme must stop.

[Andy823]

9. Thing is

Many "blue collar" workers have already voted for him, that's something that gets overlooked.

I hear the BS that hispanics and Blue collar workers won't vote for him, that they support Hillary. Well I imagine many do, but not all. In Washington state, every county went for Obama. My son is in 8th grade, and his school is over 65% hispanic. He and his friends are all for Obama. Now I know that kids this young can not vote, but they get their information from their parents, and pick up on what their parents are saying at home, and it looks to me like their parents are supporting Obama.

The county I live in is not one of the "elite" areas of the state where there is a starbucks on every corner. Education levels are mostly high school, and yet it went for Obama, just like many other counties with the same kind of background.

When the race comes down to Obama and McCain, the vast majority of democrats will vote for Obama. Sure there will be some that are so upset that Hillary did not get the nomination, but the majority will realize that if the don't vote for the democrat, they will be seeing more of the same crap Bush has given us, and that is unacceptable.

[RethugAssKicker]

12. I hope you're right....

Of course I am speaking generally... I know many blue collar white voters have voted for Obama... but I do believe the MSM means the MAJORITY of those voters don't/won't vote for him.

[Beacool]

10. Well, same as why blacks are voting in mass for Obama.

Racism works both ways......

[mrreowwr_kittty]

23. You don't know shit.

Were black voters being racist when they voted for Clinton, Gore, and Kerry by over 85%?

Were they being racist when they only gave Al Sharpton 20% in 2004?

Were they racist a year ago when Hillary Clinton was polling more than 20 points ahead of Obama with black voters?

[BlooInBloo]

25. They're just trying to keep the lie alive. Really it's more of a "white unity" call than anything.

[Beacool]

30. Excuse me, but 9 out of 10 blacks voting for Obama

are voting for him solely on the issues????

Why is it more racist when whites vote for a white candidate than when AA vote overwhelmingly for the AA candidate?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

34. So why didn't they vote 90% for Al Sharpton?

Since black people vote as a racial bloc and all. :eyes:

[Hoof Hearted]

63. Why is it more racist when whites vote for a white candidate than when AA vote overwhelmingly for th

Why is it more racist when whites vote for a white candidate than when AA vote overwhelmingly for the AA candidate?


Answer the question.

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[Secret_Society]

16. I'm getting so tired of this talking point

if someone won't vote for a black man they're racist. With that ground breaking logic should I assume that alot of Obama supporters are sexists? Of course not. I think it's funny how unifying everyone claims Obama is and how he will bring a new kind of politics, his supporters, however, just can't compute someone not bowing down to worship him so they explain with "Ah, it's not that some people really don't like Obama...they're just typical white people...ya know, racists."

[didact]

17. Of course...and all Muslims are terrorists too!

:eyes:

[Jamastiene]

22. All women that won't go out with the OP are probably

ALL lesbians in their minds too. This "ALL" mentality is what is killing the party.

[BlooInBloo]

18. They won't say it (a) because they're cowards, and (b)

because to say it would be to destroy one of the foundation blocks keeping racism in business: that it's only "a few bad apples" who are racist.

As long as white folks can say to other white folks that it's only a few bad apples, they can get away with calling black folks "oversensitive", and cry about reverse racism.

If it ever gets out that it's a lot more than just "a few", then the whole game is lost.

It's funny because everyone *knows* it's a lot more than just "a few", but as long as no one *admits* it, the game is still on.

[TexasObserver]

21. and it has nothing to do with working

It's not WORKING class whites that are the problem, it's racist whites, most of whom are old. The term "working" class is a misnomer based upon the level of income. Many of the people to whom they refer aren't working at all, but are retired.

If they're drawing Social Security and they're white, they're probably not voting Obama.

If they'd just say Old White Racists, that would be fine. Work ain't got nuttin' to do with it.

[BlooInBloo]

27. Yup - they just use the "working" part to try to cover up the real issue.

[Hippo_Tron]

28. I don't agree that they won't vote for Obama

I think he will get at least as many blue collar voters if Kerry did, if not more. Clinton is not only the establishment candidate but she has a far more famous name than the typical establishment candidates. Blue collar voters of all races tend to go for the establishment candidate.

Racist blue collar voters have been voting Republican for decades now and they will continue to do so this election even if Hillary Clinton were to somehow get the nomination. Hillary probably gets some of them in the primaries from operation chaos.

[susankh4]

32. Because it is not as simple as that.

And trying to make it that simple is only widening the chasm between us.

[Bill McBlueState]

35. If you take any large sample of white people,

You'll find a lot of racists.

I don't like the persistent suggestion around here that white people with a certain type of job ("blue collar") are significantly more likely to be racist than other white people (retirees or CEOs, for instance).

[Romulox]

39. If you take any large sample of HUMAN BEINGS...nt

[Marrah_G]

41. You find a good number of racists in any group you poll.

In any country, any ethnicity, you will find racists. Some countries have done a better job then others in moving forward in a positive manner in combating racism.

[Romulox]

38. DU Mouth-breathers: Calling entire groups of people "racist" is itself racist

The lack of self-awareness would be comical if it weren't so wretch-inducing. :eyes:

[juno jones]

47. Thank you!

Hell, my black second husband's mother was (for whatever reason) predjudiced against Haitians. Gods know why.

Predudice and racism come in all flavors.

Saying ALL white working folk are racist IS racist, because you're lumping together people who have nothing in common but skin, and to get down to it, it ain't true.

And to lay it all on the 'working' class is classist as well.

[rodeodance]

43. Obama has only started to pander to that group last week. He has shown them

he could not care less---unless he wants the vote. People are not stupid --they know he is a phony

[durrrty libby]

46. Nah, They just refuse to be "Hoodwinked" and "Bamboozled"

by the Cardboard Messiah. They know he is a Fraud.

[Seabiscuit]

48. They're sick of the MSM bobbleheads telling them Obama's the one.

[laruemtt]

49. i voted for hillary. so i guess i'm racist.

oh, by the way, i'm married to a black man.

[Jamastiene]

51. They'll still find a way to get you

on a technicality in this forum lately. :eyes:

You could even be black yourself, and if you voted for Hillary, they'd swear up and down you were lying about your race. It HAS happened here to someone too. She didn't deserve that, but the call out stayed up for hours. I'm still not happy about that one either.

[NoodleyAppendage]

52. They won't say it because it would rid those voters of their convenient excuse. n/t

J

[2rth2pwr]

53. Why black voters don't vote for Clinton?

It is very simple... They won't vote for Clinton because she is WHITE...

Why the fuck won't they just say it !!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

57. kudos!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

68. They voted for John Kerry over Al Sharpton and Carol Mosley-Braun.

Last I checked, Kerry was white.

[SoCalDem]

54. A democrat will ALWAYS win in a red state

DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY..

right now we still have TWO to choose from (still IN the race)

If Clinton had dropped out in Feb when she LOST, more would be voting for Obama NOW...black or NOT black..

In the fall, they may TELL their neighbors they would NEVER vote for a black man, but if they are democrats, they will probably vote for him anyway..or they may stay home..

If they are wishywashy racists, they may vote for mccain, but my guess is that most will vote a straight ticket and tell their neighbors they did not vote for the "black guy" :)

[Texas Hill Country]

55. OMFG... please stop with this ridiculous meme

[ElsewheresDaughter]

56. razzle dazzle them..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn5-VN3SH1o

[NotThisTime]

58. Some of them just go with name recognition, period.

They don't research the candidates, look at the 15% of Americans who still believe Obama is a Muslim? Doesn't make sense if you watch the news with any regularity, but some seemingly do not keep up with news or issues.

[anonymous171]

59. Correct Question: Why do SOME blue collar white voters refuse to vote for Obama?

[ChipperbackDemocrat]

60. This is a good question

Why do SOME blue collar white voters refuse to vote for Obama?

I'm going to build a new thread and take a shot at it. I have my opinion on it.

[killbotfactory]

62. What they mean to say is this:

Blue collar white voters in Appalachian territory who grew up during the worst conflicts of the civil rights movement, and/or elderly voters who grew up in segregated schools, tend to not vote for Obama in the democratic primary. The reason is a mystery to everybody.

[VotesForWomen]

64. don't worry; you just keep saying it, and they *definitely* won't vote for Obama.

[McCamy Taylor]

66. They didn't vote for Kerry or Gore because they were Black, too?