Hey Hillary, you are $20 million in debt and it's getting worse. Don't expect us to bail

[NJmaverick]

your irresponsible butt out. Think about that as you continue to spend money, like a drunken sailor and shore leave. YOU created the mess, YOU clean up YOUR mess!

That is all, have a nice day:)

[islandmkl]

1. we would like to buy you a drink, however...

[griffi94]

2. right

because we all know that decision will be up to you.
if obama bails her out or if he does the politically expedient thing and makes her his veep, what then?

[NJmaverick]

3. It's up to donors like myself, Obama can't just pay he off

and all of us donors, are watching what she does very carefully. We are taking notes and this is just a fair warning.

[griffi94]

4. no it's not

it's up to donors like you whether you donate any more, but how he spends his campaign cash isn't up to his supporters, it's up to obama. same goes with his veep choice. this is fair warning of what?

[NJmaverick]

6. Obama can't use his donations on Hillary, he can only fund raise on her behalf

which at the rate she is borrowing money, will be an all but impossible task.

[griffi94]

9. again

i'm pretty sure whether or not he helps hillary with fund raising to put her debt to bed won't be up to you.
obama and his handlers know they're going to need hillarys support if they hope to win in november. and i've now seen a few pundits float the dream ticket scenario. what was the comment about fair warning about.

[NJmaverick]

10. Obama can ask his donors to help her out, but that plea will fall on deaf ears

as we all see that she is increasing her debt, on a lost cause. Most people are reasonable, and will say yes to reasonable requests. However Hillary is making the request less and less reasonable.

[griffi94]

11. and again

you don't have any idea if it will fall on deaf ears. you mean you wouldn't give any money. what about the fair warning comment.

[SoFlaJet]

13. what I took nomad to mean with the fair warning comment was

if you want us to help you don't tear down the democratic nominee or we WON'T help bail you (her) out

[NJmaverick]

14. Well two things, stop increasing your debt and stop attacking Obama

Both are unacceptable actions if she wants us to bail her out.

[SoFlaJet]

15. I think so many Clinton backers here

are blinded by their rage and yes bitterness that they fail (or are unable) to understand the simplest of things anymore-like humor or what you said in the OP

[griffi94]

16. ok

but i didn't ask you. i asked the poster who posted it.
it sounded like a thinly veiled threat to withhold his support if obama didn't walk the line the poster wanted walked.
which doesn't read like a pro obama stance, but rather like and anti hillary stance.
at some point obama and hillary will kiss and make up. all may not be forgiven but it will be put aside and if team obama has to make some concessions to team hillary to get her and her supporters on board, i'm expecting that they will, and the obama supporters who disgree will just have to live with it.

[hokies4ever]

5. The key turning point will be her WV victory speech

Why?:

1. It's her last opportunity to get out on a high note if that's what she is waiting for.

2. Will she just call Barack Obama 'my opponent', intimating that McCain isn't her opponent?

3. Will she show a lack of respect for Obama and his supporters? (e.g. 'yes we will')

4. Will 'white voters' be a central topic in her speech?

[NJmaverick]

7. In theory that should be the last speech that gets major press coverage

with the exception of her concession speech

[elocs]

8. It has been pointed out that it is illegal for Obama to use his funds for Clinton's debt.

I don't know if she was on his ticket if that would change. How did she ever piss away the huge amount of money with which she started? That being said, the amount of money spent by everyone on this campaign is obscene.

[DogPoundPup]

12. If her campaign is $20M in debt and she's loaned it $11MILLION

doesn't that make her actually $31M in debt?

Clinton Deadline Looms for Recouping $11 Million Personal Loan
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=as5a58KS7ky8&refer=home

[noel711]

17. Now kids, let's play nice.

Things are bad enough without doing the 'dance of death'on Sen. Clinton's grave.

It's obvious that her campaign took a huge gamble, and it came back on them.

Although we cringe at the thought of having to help 'bail' her out,
let's take the high road.... if we can, and choose to help, it makes us
all look good.. after all, why do we want to give the Republicans more
grist for the mill?

Of course there'll be some that'll accuse me of being 'kum-ba-yah,'
but we'd all be better off by working together now, than trying to
scotch-tape the splintered party together in the fall...

[NJmaverick]

18. I don't mind a reasonable request, however that goes with the conditions

that she stop increasing that debt and she stop attacking Obama. If she IMMEDIATELY comply with those two conditions, we can talk.

[griffi94]

22. hahahaha

right because at the end of the day that decision will be yours to make lol
she can keep on doing just what she's doing and when obama is the official nominee, she'll get some concessions and they'll put it behind them and move on from there. a compromise will be hammered out. neither one will call all the shots. the party is going to need the two camps unified to win in november, so obama would be foolish to risk that on a stupid schoolyard power play.

[TechBear_Seattle]

20. If I can't dance (on the grave of Clinton's campaign), I don't want to be a part of your election

My apologies to Emma Goldman :toast:

[griffi94]

21. i don't think it's kum ba yah

it's just a political reality. obama and clinton will make up, and she will get some concessions, i don't know what those will be.
but the fact that obamas true believers want him to crush her isn't going to carry any weight. obama wants to win, and he's going to need her supporters for that to happen. i'm expecting another week or so of nastiness, and then they'll kiss and make up.
and the obama faction here aren't calling the shots for the obama campaign. i don't really expect her to be his veep choice, but it wouldn't surprise me either. he's going to need her if he wants to win, just like she would have needed him had she won the nomination.

[TechBear_Seattle]

19. Let me guess: you are a woman-hating male of color, right?

You must be, because a white person or woman would never, ever say such things about Senator Clinton. At least, that is what I expect her campaign to start saying -- very loudly -- any day now. :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

23. What the FIRST step towards getting out of debt?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

[NJmaverick]

28. Stop borrowing more money?

[BlooInBloo]

29. Yup - stop getting into more debt.

[IDemo]

24. I can see this is going to have to be posted daily around here:

There will be no bailout of Hillary's campaign by Obama. Per the FEC:

A federal candidate's authorized committee(s) may contribute no more than $2,000 per election to another federal candidate's authorized committee(s).

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/contriblimits.shtml

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More, from the HuffPost article that may have fanned the bailout rumors:

Under federal campaign finance law, the Obama campaign cannot directly pay off Clinton's debts, or the $11.43 million she has loaned the campaign, because that would violate campaign contribution limits. But if Obama is the nominee, he and his donor base could provide invaluable help to her in raising money through signed appeals, joint fundraisers and by other
methods.

The Obama campaign does not want to be identified as having discussions about Clinton's finances. Obama aides used the term "chit-chat" to dismiss any such discussions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/08/obama-camp-faces-major-ob_n_100928.html

[griffi94]

32. i'm not really arguing with that

i don't know what the law is or how it is applied so i'm not arguing with you. i'm just pointing out the idiocy that a supporter thinks that what they want will really matter at the end of the day. the self deluded grandeur of an internet poster thinking they'll be the ones to set terms of any deal between the two democratic front runners is laughable. obama and clinton will spend the next few weeks sparring and trying to come up with a solution that will work for the majority. the hardcore clinton supporters will be unhappy as will the hardcore obama supporters, but a compromise has to be reached if obama has any hope of being president.

[IDemo]

34. Agreed that Obama doesn't finish out the day catching up on mandates from DU'ers

But I don't really believe the OP thinks that, either. This is, after all, just a message board, not the NetMeeting site for a political campaign.

;)

[MonkeyFunk]

25. Who says Clinton expects to be bailed out?

This is how the Obama fan lies work. Somebody mentions a rumor, then you guys just accept it as the gospel truth.

So with absolutely no evidence, you believe that Clinton is "expecting" or "demanding" to be "bailed out". Shameless. It still surprises me to see these tactics used on a democratic site.

[griffi94]

27. my point in my posts above

was that there is a faction of obamas supporters who seem to be working under the delusion that they're calling the shots.
if he wants to help her raise funds to pay off her debt, he will, and i'd bet they'd raise enough to pay it down. his supporters here won't have any say in it. likewise his veep choice, he'll pick whoever he thinks strengthens the ticket, and if his supporters here are unhappy with his choice, well too bad.
he's not going to attempt to crush hillary in public anymore than he's going to get into a stupid pissing match with her.
he wants to win, and he can't do that without her help.
at the end of this primary they'll be thicker than thieves, that's just politics. to think he'll risk damaging his white house chances just so he can stick it to hillary is just silly.

[NJmaverick]

31. yeah, it's always the losers that get to call the shots

:sarcasm:

[griffi94]

33. no it's just

never winner take all. the compromise will be something a majority can accept. but you won't be sitting in on those negotiations.

[NJmaverick]

35. Seems to me you can't draw on convential wisdom

because convential wisdom says a candidate drops out when they are out of money or they are mathematically eliminated. Since Hillary is not following that convential wisdom, it's foolish to think any other convential wisdom will apply in this situation.

[MonkeyFunk]

36. But she's not mathematically eliminated

You don't know what the term means, evidently.

[Alcibiades]

26. How can we trust her with the public fisc?

It's this sort of financial irresponsibility that has put my three year old in debt from the day he was born.

If this is how she manages her campaign funds, how will she do at drafting a budget? I mean, it's all well and good if the Clintons want to write personal checks to the treasury, but I don't think they can cover it.

[NJmaverick]

30. True , this massive debt is a good indicator of her fiscal responsibility