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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:00 PM
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Hillary Supporters - Vote for McCain in November!
Kudos to Saintcog over at Mydd.

If Obama wins the nomination (and it looks like he will now), everyone who voted for Hillary in the primary needs to vote for John McCain in November. It makes perfect sense. Hillary, as we all know, is a policy wonk. She has a firm grasp and is well versed on all the issues that matter most to Americans. That is the appeal of the Hillary candidacy. It has nothing to do with the symbolism or historical significance of a woman president; it's not a white person thing; it has nothing to do with her husband's presidency. It's all about policy.

So let's examine the issues and the stances taken by all three candidates. Afterwards you will all understand very clearly why Hillary supporters could never vote for Barack Obama and must defect to John McCain in November: All data gathered from OnTheIssues.org, except where otherwise linked. All Boldface print indicates where the candidates agree.

ABORTION

Hillary Clinton: Strong Pro-Choice
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)

Barack Obama: Strong Pro-Choice
Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)

John McCain: Strong to Moderate Pro-Life
Supports repealing Roe v. Wade. (May 2007)
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)


BUDGET & ECONOMY
Hillary Clinton: Supports Federally Funded Programs and Government Intervention to Regulate Markets
Help people facing foreclosure; don't just bail-out banks. (Aug 2007)
Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)

Barack Obama: Supports Federally Funded Programs and Government Intervention to Regulate Markets
Regulate financial instruments to protect home mortgages. (Aug 2007)
Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)

John McCain: Free Market Capitalist - Generally Opposes Federally Funded Government Programs

"it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly, whether they are big banks or small borrowers" (March 2007)
Voted YES on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)
"Congress spends money like a drunken sailor." (May 2007)


EDUCATION

Hillary Clinton: Supports Federal Funding of National Education Initiatives
Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)
Supports Universal pre-kindergarten (Aug 2007)
Voted YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)

Barack Obama: Supports Federal Funding of National Education Initiatives
Voted YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)
Nationwide program to reconstruct crumbling school buildings. (Sep 2007)

John McCain: Favors "School Choice" and Vouchers Over Federal Programs; Does Not Oppose Teaching Creationism in Public Schools
Charters, homeschooling, & vouchers are key to success. (Dec 2007)
Teaching creationism should be decided by school districts. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on $5B for grants to local educational agencies.(Oct 2005)


HEALTH CARE
Hillary Clinton: Supports a Government Sponsored National Health Care Program with Mandates
Universal health care coverage by the end of second term. (Feb 2007)
American Health Choices Plan: keep yours or pick Congress'. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)

Barack Obama: Supports a Government Sponsored National Health Care Program with Limited Mandates
Mandates Advocates mandates for health coverage of all children under the age of 18
Proposes a federally funded healthcare like members of Congress have. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)

John McCain: Opposes any form of Universal or Large-Scale Federally Funded Health Care
No mandated universal system; no mandated insurance coverage. (Jun 2006)
Supports tax-free medical savings accounts & tax credits. (Nov 2004)
Voted NO on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)


IRAQ WAR

Hillary Clinton: Advocates Ending the War in Iraq and Withdrawing Troops
Absolutely oppose the war in Iraq. (Oct 2007)
Deauthorize Iraq war, and don't grant new war authority. (Jun 2007)
Goal to remove all troops from Iraq by 2013, but no pledge. (Sep 2007)

Barack Obama: Advocates Ending the War in Iraq and Withdrawing Troops
Opposed the resolution authorizing the President to go to war. (Jul 2004)
Surge has not succeeded because it ignores political issues. (Sep 2007)
Hopes to remove all troops from Iraq by 2013, but no pledge. (Sep 2007)

John McCain: Favors Remaining in Iraq Until "The Mission is Finished" (i.e., 100 Years)
Democrats proposing failure in Iraq by withdrawing. (Sep 2007)
Surge is working; let it continue until it succeeds. (Sep 2007)
The Iraqi war was necessary, achievable and noble. (Aug 2004)


Now do you understand? Now is it clear? Hillary supporters are a natural fit for John McCain. As you can see in this brief sample of five major issues, Hillary and McCain are in complete agreement in... ummm....nevermind. Whatever. The point is that we are unswayed by the petty rhetorical nastiness of a hard fought primary. We are serious voters, and we understand the high stakes for this country in the next four years. We want a president who is on the right side of all the issues, and if it can't be Hillary then that president will be....uh.....John McCain.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/9/135248/7567



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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:01 PM
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1. OK if you BHO supporters say so.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:02 PM
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3. Um, their records say so. n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:05 PM
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4. Are Hillary's stances more like McCains you think?
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MJJP21 Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:25 PM
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20. Think?
Why do you think Rush and his minions would rather face Hillary than Barack? Barack offers genuine change from the status quo and Hillary does not. If conservatives were proud of their message they would be biting at the bit to face Obama. Instead they are scared to death. One point I think the Obama camp can use in this election is the strong insinuation that the republicans are endorsing Hillary. That should wake up some democrats to see the light.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:15 PM
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:07 PM
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18. That's it?
One line of weak snark? No cogent rebuttal? No gnashing of teeth? Just tepid 'agreement'?

Hope you feel better soon, Mags! :hug:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:23 PM
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19. Simpleton, thy name is Mags.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:02 PM
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2. Nice lay-out of some important issues!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:14 PM
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5. On the economic issues that are most important to me, BO, JM, and HC are VERY close to one another
Edited on Fri May-09-08 05:14 PM by Romulox
I don't see how Michigan voters will be any better off losing their jobs to "free trade" under a Barack Obama presidency versus losing their jobs to "free trade" under a John McCain presidency.

Does Obama support more food stamp assistance to out of work manufacturing workers than does John McCain or something? (Please don't embarass yourself by telling me that Obama supports increasing training funds for workers "displaced" by his globalist economic policies! :eyes: )
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:17 PM
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7. How is that EZ-flow elbow treatin' ya, Romulox?!
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:24 PM
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9. Only two people in the world have the Easy-Flow Elbow, and one of them happens to be named...
Bruce Willis!

:rofl:
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comrade snarky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:57 PM
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17. Oh yeah...
McCain and Obama are the same. Just like Bush and Gore.

No difference.

:sarcasm:
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:21 PM
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8. What are these "issues" you speak of?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:28 PM
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11. I feel the same way about *this* as you feel about *that*


Do you understand how political coalitions are formed? (Hint: it's not by blackmailing people with abortion every four years.)
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:46 PM
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14. Activist RW Judges are tearing up the Constitution
and the entire legal foundation of the country. My point was just a tad bit broader than you mistakenly assumed. If you don't think this has anything to do with how corporations conduct their business and the state of jobs and workers rights in the country, then you are mistaken again.

This is only one facet among a multitude of pressing issues facing ALL AMERICANS.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:25 PM
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10. Funny
Suddenly an Obama supporter wants to talk policy in GD: P of all places!
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:36 PM
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13. This is after months
of us being told Hillary is the same as McCain

:eyes:
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:48 PM
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15. You never heard that from me mj.
I don't post here in GD: P very often -- it's too contentious for my delicate disposition :-) . I like both candidates quite frankly. My first choice (Gore) isn't even in the running. I think Obama is in the home stretch, but I will support any nominee on the dem ticket.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:49 PM
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16. same here
and I'm glad you were spared that absurd logic.
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:43 PM
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25. I could do a search on your posts from the last few months.
How many posts about policy would I find?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:18 PM
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26. Probably Not Very Many
I gave up at some point in January, when it became clear it wasn't allowed to criticize BO in any way, shape, or form without drawing personal attacks & insults.
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:56 AM
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27. That's fine, as long as you let
the Obama supporters justify and rationalize their hypocrisy in the same way you just did.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:47 AM
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29. Go For It
I'd love to see the rationalizations for gaming the board (such as lists of people to try to get TS'd; "let it sink"), myself. I think those would make a pretty fun read.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:36 PM
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12. voting wise there's not a spit's worth of difference for their imperialistic tendencies nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:15 PM
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:39 PM
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23. I know plenty of Clinton supporters and they are not "flakes".
These kinds of devisive comments just aren't helpful. Not at all.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:21 PM
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22. Welcome to ignore
5'th one tonight.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:42 PM
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24. Did you read it?
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:06 AM
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28. Yep, a very good case against there. Good work.
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:07 AM
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30. C'mon, it's not about issues. They have to feel better about their failure
by taking it out on some anonymous internet poster because they got their feelings hurt. That makes perfect sense.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:10 AM
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31. Obama health care - no caps on premiums
Edited on Sat May-10-08 08:11 AM by OzarkDem
IOW, corporate welfare for private insurance companies.

One among many little details that makes Obama's plan inferior.

So which is it? Are Obama supporters simply ignorant of the issues or dishonest in promoting Obama?
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