Clinton now comparing Obama to Bush

[RamboLiberal]

At a rally in Central Point, Ore., last night, Hillary Clinton didn't leave any doubt that she's still in it to win it. She challenged Barack Obama to a debate in Portland on Friday, where they'll both be campaigning, saying she'll meet "absolutely anytime, anywhere." She stressed her knowledge of controversial local issues, saying Obama is on the wrong side of them. And she taunted Obama for talking a good game without backing it up, not unlike, Clinton said, President George W. Bush.

"My opponent voted for legislation … which gave more tax subsidies to the oil companies, more tax subsidies to the nuclear industry, and which took away the right of states to determine whether terminals would be placed along their coast. So there's a lot we should be debating about," she told a raucous crowd of about 1,000 supporters. "Back in 2000 some people voted for President Bush because he went around telling people in settings like this that he was a compassionate conservative. Nobody knew what that meant, did they? But it sure did sound good."

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Clinton has also started mentioning race more frequently. In an article published yesterday in USA Today, Clinton said she would have a larger group of voters to draw a winning coalition from because "Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again." What happened to playing nice? Even as surrogates have called for a less bitterly fought campaign, California Sen. Dianne Feinstein publicly warned Clinton yesterday that she is concerned about the "negative dividends" of the contest. Some advisers have been quoted speaking privately about plans to keep the campaign's tone positive going forward. But the candidate only seems to be escalating her rhetoric.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/136171

[damntexdem]

1. The sooner the disgusting pol from NY gets out, the better.

She has blown any credibility she may once have had.

[PoliticalAmazon]

28. Obama is smart to allow her to spiral ou of control, without response from him...

If he counters her attacks, it's just going to fuel the "poor victim me" mantra by which she has hooked so many of her supporters.

Let them get a good look at what they are supporting. I have faith that the Hillary supporters will do what they think is the best for the party and their country.

[K Gardner]

55. Exactly. I think after Tuesday, he's been wisely ignoring her. It makes her look even more foolish,

if that's possible.

[PoliticalAmazon]

58. ...and the more she is ignored, the more she will amp up the volume. n/t

[Lucky 13]

77. Man, this is gonna be good.

:popcorn:

[Name removed]

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[stray cat]

2. Not likely....

[NJmaverick]

3. What an embarrassment! It's good that this side of her personality was exposed

before she got to the White House. Thank God, we nominated Obama!

[tekisui]

95. We dodged a bullet. Thank you, Obama.

Had Obama not ran, she would have had a coronation parade in Feb. And we'd all be stuck with her.

[Mme. Defarge]

4. She who must be obeyed,

she who has no shame. Talk about projection!

[Kittycat]

5. Tracy Flick's Last Stand.

Before the pie.

[Beausoir]

26. I remember that movie! She ran against an empty suit candidate! How...interesting!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

33. You seem bitter. nt

[Beausoir]

57. I'm amused.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

69. Bitterly amused.

I already got on one Hillbot's ignore list today, who started out by claiming she was "joking".

I bet I can get your goat too. :evilgrin:

[Beausoir]

79. LOL! Give it your best shot!

I just had a wonderful dinner with my kids, had a great Barolo with a perfectly medium-rare Porterhouse and am now looking out over my lake as the sun sets.

If you want to spend your evening trying to get my "goat", go for it.

Whatever floats your boat.

[Zachstar]

6. Back on the attack eh Clinton?

Say good bye to your Super lead. The party is not going to let you start shit again.

[blm]

7. In it to win it...for McCain. People should think back to 2004 when Bill spent summer of 2004

book tour making repeated defenses of Bush and his Iraq war decisions at the very time our nominee was criticizing those decisions.

I expect Clintons will do the same for Mccain when Bush starts war with Iran.

[bunnies]

8. Again?

:eyes: No way SD's are going to put up with this shit.

[Poll_Blind]

9. She, herself, is not filth. But she has bathed in it, swallowed and wallowed in it.

  And at any distance, it's a tough call that she isn't.

PB

[ShortnFiery]

14. HRC is morphing to what, during the 90s, she said she loathed the most: The GOP eom

[Cali_Democrat]

10. Hillary's goal is now to destroy Obama and the Democratic Party

I'm sure she wouldn't mind if we also lose congress so she can come back in 2012 as the savior.

[verges]

80. And then screw it up. n/t

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. Talk about counterproductive - this is hurting the entire party.

The sooner this whole mess goes away, the better.

[PM7nj]

12. UGh! Why can't she just go out gracefully?!

Hillary Clinton has really disappointed me. She was never my preferred candidate but I always liked her. Now, not so much.

[K Gardner]

13. The MSM seemed to try to elevate the false fact that clinton would "keep it civil" while

promoting their new segments on CLINTON FOR VP - DREAM TICKET crap.

Today, it seems they've given up, as the Clinton's words and scorched earth strategies are too difficult to ignore. Let's please not allow the MSM to ignore what Hillary is continuing to do.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. Wow.

Very sad.

[beezlebum]

16. projection?

n/t

[FlyingSquirrel]

17. This is bad news. nt

[TwilightGardener]

18. Would it be too crazy for her to compare McCain to Bush? Just for once?

Oh, wait, that might hurt McCain's chances against Obama in the fall...

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

19. I'm trying REALLY hard to be gracious about all this

She's not making it very easy.

[Jawja]

47. She's making a total and complete

ASS out of herself. Challenging him to another debate??
What does she think she will accomplish?

[NewHampshireDem]

20. Even more distressing

"which took away the right of states to determine whether terminals would be placed along their coast"

I know, I know. It's a stretch, and could well be just another innocent 'mistake', but considering the current batch of gaffes about 'white' voters in the run up to votes in WV and KY ...

:sigh:

[IDemo]

21. It's goiing to be great seeing Oregon deliver another double-digit win for Obama

GObama!

[TexasObserver]

22. Will someone get The Little Engine That Couldn't off the main track?!

[cliffordu]

23. ROLF.... I mean ROFL!!!

:rofl: :rofl:

[Beausoir]

24. Newsflash! Obama compared Hillary to Bush just a few days ago! LOL.

I hear heads exploding in this thread.

[NewHampshireDem]

27. Linkity link, please?

[Beausoir]

29. No problem! LOL. "Obama compares Clinton to Bush" from Huffpo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/02/obama-compares-clinton-to_n_99813.html

[NewHampshireDem]

34. Thanks--Here's what he actually said

Now, the two Washington candidates in the race have been attacking me because I don't support their idea. In fact, yesterday Senator Clinton demanded that everyone go on the record on this issue. She even borrowed one of President Bush's favorite phrases, and said that every member of Congress had to tell her - "are they with us or against us?"

Is it factually incorrect that Hillary used those words? Is it factually incorrect that those words are the very ones Bush used?

[haymakeragain]

35. Maybe because she enabled his war hard-on

to climax?

[PoliticalAmazon]

25. Good. Obama's ignoring her is allowing her to spiral out of control...

....The Hillary supporters need to get a clear picture of what they are supporting.

Ever heard the term "Give her enough rope to hang herself"? Well, thats Obama's approach, and I think it is very wise.

By not responding to Hillry's bigot-pandering and absurd, demeaning attacks, he is providing a transition period for the Hillary supporters. He's not giving her any excuse to climb on the cross and play the victim, and without that Hillary's campaign is not going to hook her diehard supporters like it has before.

[ericgtr]

30. No wonder the SD's are starting their flood

She will go down kicking and screaming, no surprise there but at this point she can only serve to hurt him in the GE. The SD's are now moving and eventually it will shut down her fucking trap.

[bigtree]

31. he's been there, done that

to Clinton.

:yawn:

[Mags]

36. Go Hillary, it's not over until He reaches the delegate count, and he ain't there yet.

I totally think she is the greatest Woman that could ever run this Country.

[quakerboy]

41. the greatest Woman that could ever run this Country.

Really? With all the amazing women out there, you can't think of any better?

[Umbram]

44. In all of history, or just presently alive? (nt)

[Gore1FL]

64. I guess I just think more highly of women than that n/t

[TahitiNut]

88. It seems to me that your opinion of women is quite low, then.

:shrug: Figures.

[haymakeragain]

37. What's this "among working, hard-working Americans, white

Americans" bullshit? What the fuck is she trying to say there? She really needs to let it go, there isn't anything good that can come from her beating her already dead campaign horse. Nothing good at all.

[nichomachus]

38. Oh my God -- she's going to end up

like one of those demented women you read about in novels, stood up at the altar, floating around for years in a tattered wedding dress waiting for the rogue who jilted her to come back.



I can just see poor Hillary in a bar in Indiana, wearing a ragged pant suit, tossing down shots, yelling to no one in particular:


"I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody..."

[Danger Mouse]

39. Disgusting, she's at the height of desparation now...

Obama won't grant her a debate, he'd be a fool to do it.
All he has to do is sit back and let her self-destruct.

[stillcool]

40. Let her go...

it's her funeral.

[Fox Mulder]

42. She's getting desperate.

How pitiful.

[Tatiana]

43. Goodness. This is starting to sound like a sabotage the Democratic Nominee campaign. n/t

[Beausoir]

50. Obama compared Hillary to Bush several days ago! Was he sabotaging the party then, too??

:freak:

[haymakeragain]

51. Wasn't that point dismissed a few posts above?

She gave him the go-ahead on the war, that's enough to be compared to him for a lifetime.

[Beausoir]

54. LOL! No. Obama said it...I provided the link. Wishing it weren't true doesn't make it any less

true!

Oh, and btw, Obama voted to keep the war going! He is every bit as pro-war as Bush.

[Triana]

45. Poor Hillary...

http://www.cassandrafiles.com/?p=234

...

http://www.cassandrafiles.com/?p=235

[oxbow]

46. "But the candidate only seems to be escalating her rhetoric."

Hey! You're hurting other democrats and especially yourself now, team Clinton! Everyone was content to let you take another lap or two around the racetrack if that's what you needed to come to terms with events. It's a historic thing to be the first woman to get so far towards the White House, and for the sake of your supporters many of us were willing to let the campaign grind to a halt on it's own time. But not if you're going to hurt our chances in November.

Look, there are people who want you out now but will let you pick your own time to do it, and then there are people who just want you out now. I like to think that I'm the former but if you don't stop with the slime ball politics, I and alot of other people are going to the latter's camp real quick. It's your choice which way you wanna do it. The Democratic Party is bigger than you and bigger than your campaign though. It won't let you hurt the party without serious political consequences.

[NashVegas]

48. It's About Damn Time

[Onyx488]

49. Can someone cut her Mic? The shows over lady get out now...

...before we set the alarm and send out the dogs

"you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here"

[DemVet]

52. Hey, the truth is the truth. Deal with it.

[Faygo Kid]

56. The truth is, she is tearing down our nominee and destroying her own career..

Deal with that.

[Beausoir]

60. The TRUTH is Obama compared Hillary to Bush several days ago. Deal that that.

[DogPoundPup]

62. Well she is 3/4 republican

"The people never have been interesting to the Clintons, not in organized, confident form. They have been interesting as election props and poll numbers, and interesting as victims, atomized, whose pain could be felt, causes championed, and misery exploited. They are interesting to Bill on rope lines, as exemplars of popular adulation and individuals to be charmed or lectured. Hillary used to hate the rope lines, hate being touched, and in the 1992 campaign she used to make sure that big men were around her to keep the plebs at bay. That changed as her ambition grew and she discovered Purell instant hand santizer. Having purelled universal health care as a live issue for a generation, she's back at it, just where she wants to be, as an answer to a murmured prayer, among a populace mobilized for nothing but elections.

Bill Clinton bribed and buttered up every member of Congress he could to pass NAFTA in 1993. The unions made speeches and phone calls and rallied here and there, but it wasn't much of a fight. And it wasn't the only issue that labor failed to make into an energetic public case. Even as unions were being crushed by employer intimidation during representation campaigns, they didn't fight en masse for labor law reform while Clinton had a Democratic Congress, and they didn't fight, after the long night of Reaganism, for a seachange in government priorities, for an industrial policy, for reinvestment to end the bleeding of their jobs and their communities and the class. Organized labor vowed to throw out the bums who had passed NAFTA, but ended up backing most of them for re-election in 1994, and did nothing to organize globally with other losers in the aggressively pro-capital regimen of neoliberal capitalism.

Organized feminists didn't fight when Clinton continued Reagan's war on "welfare queens" in more polite language. They didn't fight as women were made peon labor, displacing unionized public workers, or as they were made a captive labor force for multinationals like Tyson's chicken. Or as they were threatened with eviction from public housing. Or as they were forced into more peon labor in exchange for that public housing.

Predatory lending increased, and there was no fight. Household indebtedness increased, and there was no fight. Deregulation marched on, leading the way for the current foreclosure crisis among other things, and there was no fight. Hillary Clinton's closest foreign policy adviser now, Madeleine Albright, said the death of half a million children because of sanctions on Iraq was "worth it", and there was no fight. The drug war escalated on American city streets and in Colombia with the bribing and arming of government-linked paramilitaries, and there was no fight. Bill Clinton wrote anti-gay discrimination into law in the Defense of Marriage Act and there was no fight. While he had a Democratic Congress and squandered an opportunity for banning discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in civilian life, he won cheers from gays and their bloc vote at the ballot box for fighting for their equal opportunity to be paid killers and cannon fodder."

These suave' Clintons are the biggest part of the reason we (U.S. citizens) are where we are today (broke and enslaved)!

[CarbonDate]

92. Yes, he did.

And this retort has a whiff of, "I know you are, but what am I?"

Of course, if one were to take both quotes fully in context, one would realize that Obama might sound a little like 2000 Bush, but Hillary sounds like 2004 Bush.

Deal that (sic) that.

[OzarkDem]

74. Then Obama should bow out

Heat....kitchen....etc.

[DogPoundPup]

61. The Clintons were NEVER for the hard working,

be they poor, black or white. "The people never have been interesting to the Clintons, not in organized, confident form. They have been interesting as election props and poll numbers, and interesting as victims, atomized, whose pain could be felt, causes championed, and misery exploited. They are interesting to Bill on rope lines, as exemplars of popular adulation and individuals to be charmed or lectured. Hillary used to hate the rope lines, hate being touched, and in the 1992 campaign she used to make sure that big men were around her to keep the plebs at bay. That changed as her ambition grew and she discovered Purell instant hand santizer. Having purelled universal health care as a live issue for a generation, she's back at it, just where she wants to be, as an answer to a murmured prayer, among a populace mobilized for nothing but elections.

Bill Clinton bribed and buttered up every member of Congress he could to pass NAFTA in 1993. The unions made speeches and phone calls and rallied here and there, but it wasn't much of a fight. And it wasn't the only issue that labor failed to make into an energetic public case. Even as unions were being crushed by employer intimidation during representation campaigns, they didn't fight en masse for labor law reform while Clinton had a Democratic Congress, and they didn't fight, after the long night of Reaganism, for a seachange in government priorities, for an industrial policy, for reinvestment to end the bleeding of their jobs and their communities and the class. Organized labor vowed to throw out the bums who had passed NAFTA, but ended up backing most of them for re-election in 1994, and did nothing to organize globally with other losers in the aggressively pro-capital regimen of neoliberal capitalism.

Organized feminists didn't fight when Clinton continued Reagan's war on "welfare queens" in more polite language. They didn't fight as women were made peon labor, displacing unionized public workers, or as they were made a captive labor force for multinationals like Tyson's chicken. Or as they were threatened with eviction from public housing. Or as they were forced into more peon labor in exchange for that public housing.

Predatory lending increased, and there was no fight in the Clinton days. Household indebtedness increased, and there was no fight. Deregulation marched on, leading the way for the current foreclosure crisis among other things, and there was no fight. Hillary Clinton's closest foreign policy adviser now, Madeleine Albright, said the death of half a million children because of sanctions on Iraq was "worth it", and there was no fight. The drug war escalated on American city streets and in Colombia with the bribing and arming of government-linked paramilitaries, and there was no fight. Bill Clinton wrote anti-gay discrimination into law in the Defense of Marriage Act and there was no fight. While he had a Democratic Congress and squandered an opportunity for banning discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in civilian life, he won cheers from gays and their bloc vote at the ballot box for fighting for their equal opportunity to be paid killers and cannon fodder."

These suave' Clintons are the biggest part of the reason we (U.S. citizens) are where we are today (broke and enslaved)!

[AtomicKitten]

53. Remedy: Animal tranquilizer, blow dart, and a net.

[K Gardner]

59. *snort*

[Raine]

70. I'm begining to believe that's what

it will take and probably an elephant sized dose.

[OzarkDem]

75. Better hope Agent Mike doesn't read that

or you may get visitors.

[rodeodance]

63. ..... He'll trounce [Obama]." yup

To hear Clinton's chief superdelegate hunter Harold Ickes tell it, Clinton is continuing the fight because she's convinced she can beat McCain. Clinton has refused to come out and say Obama can't beat McCain (when pressed to by several debate moderators, she has demurred). But in an interview with NEWSWEEK, Ickes strongly suggested that Obama can't win come November. "We have to remember McCain is not a standard, off-the-shelf Republican," Ickes said, echoing the argument he says he's making to superdelegates, and pointing up Clinton's inarguable strength with Roman Catholics, Hispanics and elderly voters in key November battleground states such as Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania. "He will have a lot of appeal for Hispanics. He'll trounce ."

[frylock]

65. she's still talking?!

[madrchsod]

68. and no one is listening.....

[Skip Intro]

66. Obama practically began his campaign by calling her bush/cheney-lite.

c'mon.

[frylock]

83. got links?

ftr, the links you pull out of your ass don't count.

[Skip Intro]

85. If this is something you need a link for, you haven't been paying attention.

Or perhaps, seeing only what you wanted to see.

[donheld]

91. I'll call you a liar till you prove it

Give us a link.

[madrchsod]

67. she`s come undone.....

"It's too late
She's gone too far
She's lost the sun
She's come undone"

[TragedyandHope]

71. Well, Bush is a President and Obama will be President

but that's about all they have in common.

[Blarch]

72. How ironic.

Both hillary and Bush wanted the votes of the people ignored.

[OzarkDem]

73. He supports big oil, nuclear power industry, credit card companies over consumers

and his voting record shows it. She's right.

[BlackVelvet04]

76. Pretty apt description considering he is running

on bush's platform of change, unity and hope.

I am the candidate of change, hope, and by electing me we can turn the page on the bad past!
I believe true leadership is a process of addition, not an act of division.I will not attack a part of this country because I want to lead the whole of it.
That background may lack the polish of Washington. Then again, I don't have a lot of things that come with Washington. I don't have enemies to fight. I have no stake in the bitter arguments of the last few years. I want to change the tone of Washington to one of civility and respect.

sound familiar? How did that work out?

[Lucky 13]

78. She's just making a fool of herself.

He's not even paying attention to her any more. He and McCain are already sparring.

[verges]

81. I just had a terrible thought.

I can't wait until the convention and she officially loses and we'll get to see her cry for real.

[frylock]

84. i used to feel sorry for her..

at this point i have to admit that i relish the thought of watching her crash and burn.

[New Dawn]

82. It is Clinton that is a lot like Bush

They both wanted to illegally invade and occupy Iraq.

They both want to illegally attack Iran.

They both want to send more of our jobs overseas so that their class can get even richer.

They have a lot in common.

[democracy1st]

86. thats a cool guy in your avatar

:toast: and you're right on the money

[TheDonkey]

87. wtf is her problem? She needs to be removed from the party soon

if she keeps this shit up.

[davidpdx]

89. I'm all for letting her stay in the race

but the shit stirring has to end. Talk about the issues.

To those who support Clinton: This is what you should urge her to do instead of defending the attacks.

[VotesForWomen]

90. well, bush is a lightweight, style-over-substance president. O would be too. nt

[TexasObserver]

93. The Stalker with the George Wallace smile and agenda

she's nuts

[Kahuna]

94. Good. This should cause even MORE SDs to make up their minds..

for Obama. Billary just doesn't learn.

[madrchsod]

96. she`s 20 million in debt--she does`t matter anymore

[Jersey Devil]

97. A desperate last minute lunge to the left by Hillary

So funny! She spent her entire campaign claiming she was a "centrist" because she was so overconfident about winning the nomination she decided to go directly into general election mode by moving to the right and in Oregon, where a "centrist" has no real chance suddenly she is a left winger. Too bad Hillary. You're dyed in the wool DLC and everyone knows it.