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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:58 AM
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Rethugs Have 1,000 Pages Of Op Research On Obama, 1,200 Pages On Clinton
THE RNC'S 1,200 PAGES OF CLINTON OPPO

From MSNBC's David Shuster

Two Republican officials at the Republican National Committee who are involved in "opposition research efforts" in preparation for the general election say the RNC's oppo research dossier on Sen. Clinton runs more than 1,200 pages in length.

According to these officials, the book includes "previously undisclosed information about Hillary Clinton's connections to the Whitewater scandal, travel office firings, and Democratic fundraising efforts." Given that the book has not been shared with us, we've been unable to confirm this assertion. Furthermore, the Republican officials would not describe the nature of the "new information."

However, I was not directed away from a front-page story in today's Washington Times about memos/documents from the estate of Sam Dash, Ken Starr's ethics adviser during the early stages of the Whitewater investigation. The Dash Whitewater memos and documents have been turned over to the Library of Congress (where they were presumably available to the Washington Times reporter/researcher). The documents reportedly show that prosecutors concluded that Hillary Clinton concealed information and misled a federal grand jury about her work for the Savings and Loan at the heart of the Whitewater investigation. The allegation that she concealed and misled is not new, and was sourced by reporters who covered the investigation in the 1990s (including me) to "attorneys close to Starr" or "sources in the office of the independent counsel."

The documents from Dash's estate, however, mark the first available "documentary evidence" that Ken Starr's office drafted a criminal indictment of Senator Clinton, also known as a "pros memo" and debated verbally and through written memos whether Clinton should actually face charges. The documents indicate, according to the Washington Times, that prosecutors in the end decided not to charge Sen. Clinton because of their concern about the strengths of their evidence and the likelihood of obtaining a conviction of a sitting first lady. But such memos, documents, and etc. about the internal debate in the office of the independent counsel could be a gold mine for negative ads, etc.

By the way, to put the RNC's opposition research effort into context, I'm told the dossier on Senator Obama is 1,000 pages in length and that Republican researchers spent a few weeks in Chicago recently collecting information on Obama's ties to the Weather Underground" and separately to Tony Rezko (who is currently on trial for federal corruption charges).

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/08/998470.aspx
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:00 AM
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1. they could probably get 1,000 pages on most of us
lies, twists, innuendos. And as a last resort have some bullshit published in the Moonie Times then have Fux piuck it up and blast it all over.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:02 AM
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2. I wonder what became of that passport-file-breach? Wonder how much of their "oppo" came from that--
thanks, Condi Rice.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:03 AM
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3. Good point!
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:08 AM
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6. Someone was looking for birth info
No one has been able to produce an Obama birth ceritifcate, at least this is what I heard
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:10 AM
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10. Interesting, thanks.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:12 AM
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13. I'm pretty sure you have to provide this information before you can even run for president.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:19 AM
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14. One would think but it appears to be unavailable
Kenyan records have been scrubbed as well as Hawaii's records, which is why I sort of thought that might be the reason for the pass port thing. Problem is, pass ports don't show birth place, at least mine does not.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:44 AM
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23. I don't think they have to provide birth certificates...
McCains campaign won't release his either:http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/citizen_mccain.html

McCain's birth on August 29, 1936, in what was then the Panama Canal Zone was announced in the English language Panamanian American, available here. The McCain campaign has declined to publicly release his birth certificate, but a senior campaign official showed me a copy. Contrary to some Internet rumors that McCain was born outside the Canal Zone, in Colon, the document records his birth in the Coco Solo "family hospital."

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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:04 AM
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4. What font are they using? Are the pages single or double-spaced?
If it's all double-spaced and in Courier, well, that's not so bad. But if it's single-spaced and 9-pt. Times New Roman . . . oh, boy.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:10 AM
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11. It's PDF and HTML
Edited on Fri May-09-08 09:28 AM by gristy
Downloaded PDF documents and saved HTML web pages. File->Save Page As... LOL
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:20 AM
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15. PDF isn't HTML--I could really stretch those college papers using Courier.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:22 AM
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17. Comic Sans works too
:)
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:26 AM
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18. Yes I know that. I've edited my post for clarity.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:05 AM
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5. they're going to have more on clinton after the WTimes whitewater hit piece today
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:08 AM
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7. oooooooohhhhh!
:scared:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:09 AM
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8. OMG! What is this? The third or fourth time this article has been posted as GOSPEL? eom
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:09 AM
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9. Why would they think he has ties to the Weather Underground? Seems stupid.
He knows Bernadine and Bill, but I'm doubtful they'll find ant solid "ties" to anything related to them.

I'm waiting for democrat Op Research to find out that McCain did some crazy shit in Vietnam. Didn't he call himself a "baby killer" back then, or something? I bet there are some messed up stories about what McCain did during that period. Everybody did twisted stuff during Vietnam.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:27 AM
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20. His first fundraiser was held in their living room.
Edited on Fri May-09-08 09:42 AM by Beacool
Hillary has been around for many years, but I'm surprised that they managed to get 1,000 pages on Obama considering that he barely stepped into the limelight.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:34 AM
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22. I know, but that's not a tie to the weather underground.
The actual weather underground died decades ago.
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:11 AM
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12. We already know what the Repugs are going to hit Obama with.
Pat Buchanan was kind enough to lay it out a few days ago.

Repugs are going to take his strength (change) and try to turn it negative. They are going to try to make change scary. Oh, the radical black man, with a weird exotic background (just look at his father's side of the family!!!!!!) with connections to all these radical people (preacher!!!! Weather Underground!!!!!!!) wants to CHANGE OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!

BE VERY AFRAIDS!!!!

Sigh.

Say it with me now.

Not. This. Time.

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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:22 AM
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16. A little late to the party?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5895132

There must be a site that lists all of the articles that supposedly question Obama's electability so the hillary army is still on the same page....:eyes:
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:26 AM
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19. I have 4073 pages of Op Research on McCain, just counting death certificates. nt
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:29 AM
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21. I'm so slow...
Or obsessed with his age, I was thinking not even Cheney has been brought back to life that many times. It just shows how this primary has taken my focus off of the REALLY important things, thanks for the reminder:hi:
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