Last night, I felt sorry for Hillary as I watched Bill's face in the background.

[Avalux]

They knew it was over and he looked as if he had been crying. Some Obama DUers sent out olive branches and urged others to quit pounding on Hillary, to give her respect. I was all for it and thought the ugliness might very well be behind us.

Today is a different story though. Hillary's campaign is once again in full-tilt Obama character assassination mode; spinning and spewing as fast as they can.

"White people won't vote for Obama".

This is their pathetic new argument, and the only one they have left with which to try to scare the SDs. They can't use the Michigan/Florida and popular vote argument anymore. THEY HAVE NOTHING LEFT.

As Donna Brazile so incredulously said to her Republican sparring partner on CNN last night - "Suddenly black voters have become the majority!"

So as long as Hillary continues on this path of insanity, I will not give her a break. She reaps what she sows.

[lapfog_1]

1. I keep telling people

the ones that offered olive branches last night, the ones that cleared their ignore lists...

We've been here before. Right after the Wisconsin blowout.

And look what happened.

No olive branches, no quarter. They are NOT going through the 7 stages of grief or anything else. They simply don't understand that they lost. And refuse to accept it.

It's going to get even uglier (from their side) than before.

and you folks will say "That's just not possible!"... but I beg to differ.

[CatsDogsBabies]

2. moving this up

[jpertello]

3. Everyone pounced on me

when I was singing "Ding dong the witch is dead" last night because you thought she deserved some sympathy. But try to remember what lurks beneath that smiling exterior of hers.

[BigD_95]

4. "White people won't vote for Obama".

did they really say that?

[Avalux]

8. This morning a campaign strategist said as much in the presser -

That Obama can't win the white vote and won't beat McCain.

[Shakespeare]

22. Here are the exact quotes.

From TPM:

On the Hillary conference call, Hillary chief strategist Geoff Garin made the case for her electability in some of the most explicitly race-based terms I've heard yet.

Garin argued that the North Carolina contest, which Obama won by 14 points, represented "progress" for Hillary because she did better among white voters there than she did in Virginia.

"When we began in North Carolina," Garin said, "our internal polling and much of the public polling we were running exactly even with white voters."

Garin said that the Virginia electorate was the "closest white electorate in the country" to North Carolina, and added that Hillary "started even" among whites in North Carolina, and "ended up earning a significant win of 24 points."

"We obviously did not do as well as we would want or needed to among African American voters," Garin concluded.

Put in the context of the Hillary campaign's chief argument that she's the more electable Dem, Garin's overall implication here is that her success among white voters in North Carolina yesterday is "progress" in the sense that it strengthens her case for electability.

In other words, it's an explicit, and unabashed, linking of her claim of electability to her success among whites.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/hillary_chief_strategist_north.php

[roseBudd]

23. I am sorry but that is the antithesis of what our party has been since Johnson signed the CR bill

[Egnever]

5. it reminds me exactly of the last 8 years

Everytime I thought bush had just pulled the worst crap possible he turned arround the next day and dug even deeper. Hillary clearly has the exact same mentality.

[democrattotheend]

6. I feel sorry for her, and her supporters

It must be hard to watch a dream slip away, and I feel sorry for her and her committed supporters (including the one who will be moving into my apartment tomorrow...that should be interesting). And even though I believe in Obama and support him 110%, as a woman, a little part of me feels guilty for helping to bring her down by campaigning for Obama.

I agree that her strategists sound like assholes, but at this point, I don't think it's worth getting worked up about. They're just trying to find a way to spin this...I actually find them kind of laughable. There's no point in getting outraged anymore...it's so unlikely that she can win that it's not worth getting worked up about what she and her campaign does.

If they start full-scale attacking Obama again, it will be a different story.

[PoliticalAmazon]

13. I don't feel sorry for them because they brought it on themselves, but I do feel

compassion for the grieving they are going through.

[karynnj]

25. Look carefully at what you wrote

"a little part of me feels guilty for helping to bring her down by campaigning for Obama."

Think of every other candidate who ran and lost - did you think of it as "bringing them down"? Only a very small number of people in any generation ever become President, about as many get the nomination of a major party and lose. Even when you throw in those who were serious viable candidates, there are not many. Defining a cohort of all the people born in a dozen years time period, how many people in the sum of these categories are likely. On average it should be only 2 or 3 dozen at most - and that is being generous.

It was an honor that people thought highly enough of her to read her materials, listen to her speeches, contribute money and volunteer a huge amount of time. That goes for every single one of the people who made it far enough to be seriously considered as President. In her case, there is even the complication that she was already one of the small number of people who lived in the White House. As to "down", look where she will be - a second term Senator from New York. That's a prestigious position in and of itself.

[seabeyond]

7. i havent been in here since last night. and your post is right on. from last night

to what i have been seeing all morning. it is ridiculous.

hillary and obama supporters saying no gloat, no this, be nice, respect her as she continues on...

now it is a huge wtf...

[nomorewhopper]

9. nobody is silly enough to fall for hillary's new argument

especially the superdelegates

at this point its all meaningless bullshit. all the reasons, all the excuses, the moving goalposts....does it even matter anymore?

[livetohike]

10. I thought his red face was from sunburn. Now that you mentioned it

I believe he may have been crying. His dreams of returning to Washington, D.C. are ending. He knows it and he cannot get her to acknowledge it.

[marions ghost]

12. I noticed his red face

thinking he got sunburned eating all that BBQ in North Carolina.

But hoping they had a medic nearby in case his head (or his heart) exploded. He must feel weird at this point. It seemed so certain once upon a time.

[livetohike]

14. My husband (who is not as nuts about politics as me) watched

the returns with me last night and even he said Bill Clinton looked really bad and that he hoped they had medical personnel nearby.

[marions ghost]

16. It wouldn't hurt for them to take an immediate vacation

to somebody's private island or something...too much pressure for extended periods. Has to take a toll even if you thrive on it.

[renate]

19. it was kind of alarming, wasn't it?

Especially with his history of heart disease. It was really noticeable--I've never looked at a person's face on TV before and thought "Damn, he's pink."

His expression didn't look any different from usual, though. Good acting, I guess.

[tblue37]

26. But if they had not alienaed so many people in the party by the way they have

run the campaign--especially Obama--then Bill might well have had a high level post in an Obama administration. I'm thinking UN Ambassador.

[keep_it_real]

11. If they use that line it may seriously backfire

A lot of white people resent being called a racist and will do what it takes to prove they are not. So that line could work against her. She just may cause a mass of white people to vote for Obama just to prove they are not racist.

[demokatgurrl]

15. Link for that quote? n/t

[NashVegas]

17. Could You Tell Me Who Exactly Is Saying "White people won't vote for Obama"? I Mean, an Exact Quote?

In those exact terms?

I mean, geez ... seems Obama has gotten some 50% + of white people in the primaries.

[Cha]

18. I knew it fucking would be lies as usual with hilary...how

many times is hilary going to fool Obama supporters?

she's already fooled all these low information voters.

[uponit7771]

20. Is Hillary making this argument or her proxys? Thx

[PATRICK]

21. The real question is about the convention

It is not just about holding a large bloc of loyal delegates even as the putative defeated candidate. So seemingly utterly determined has the campaign been to hammer Obama that one has to wonder about the shifting of gears.

It isn't just about "healing" either. It's about a DLC, centrist ideological split with nowhere to go and extremely uncomfortable about forcing a Clinton VP choice on the convention. The feminist bloc is being carried along like(not meant to be offensive)moral majority Christians with the neocons. That is not a good ideological fit in bargaining for Convention platforms etc.

Very little thought has been given to this transition of candidacy to simple power bloc influence. It will be instrumental in the platform which is mostly OK on important issues except if the tone becomes angry nitpicking over details taken from either campaign. It will be ruthless and dangerous concerning the DNC and future rules-making. it will be crucial to the selection of the veep candidate, turning a rich process where Richardson would be a big advantage into another potential Donnybrook.

The MSM will show up in full force not merely to carp and spin but try to wedge all these problems into a
mountainous Problem to dog the party into November. The SD's know that. Perhaps it is personal fear and the single issue of getting the nomination off to a good start, but maybe they are beginning to fear what
what Hillary's bloc could still do to the Convention, the party, to personal "traitors".

Are the Clintons even thinking about Plan B at all and likely to become a truculent, listless powerhouse without any organized agenda or plan?

At the beginning of all this it seemed for many reasons not at all personal that neither HRC nor BO would consider each other as running mates. A great deal of that has to do with simple common sense rules about Veeps. Asking who would be the least objectionable running mate of the two is not necessary
and resurrects the useless personal stuff that has afflicted us the past few months. I think Barack realized that it was all or nothing especially given Hillary's huge "inevitability" at the beginning where likely no sincere signs were given to him even tactically.

What we could use now before the MSM hatchet men descend on the Convention trying to keep the flames stirred over small differences in policies, big hurts in personal conflicts. Hillary has a job to do for the party(not John McCain anymore pleases) when she has recovered from this draining, breathtaking effort. Heal, reform her delegates for a positive purpose so that platform gains can be made into fulfilling triumphs for her supporters, maybe even some mutual agreement(sigh)on the rules and the future where the real blood could flow. Get Michigan and Florida properly seated. Stay out of Veep contention. Make open peace with Richardson and others.

Not to be overly brutal, but the narrow edge Obama has over Clinton should not shrink from using its own cards to forestall negative initiatives by the Clinton bloc. Some connection with paying off campaign debt behind the scenes might be made clear. Anything to remove the temptation for the Clintons to reassert themselves into the driver's seat at the Convention. In the votes they have less clout to simply expect this. Remembering Jesse Jackson and Dukakis and other Convention ideological/tactical splits that did no one any good might be wise to recall and avoid.

Stumbling along from one problem to another while the GOP plan runs unopposed and always on target does not help us in November. Start thinking of making this a good Convention.

[clevbot]

24. k+r

[GetTheRightVote]

27. Obama is class itself while the HRC will do anything to win

We have the better nominee in Obama !!!

[EmeraldCityGrl]

28. I Assumed Bill and Chelsea had been crying because...

they were heartbroken for Hillary. The next morning Hillary was on a stage in WV with her mother propped up in a chair on stage. The poor woman looked miserable. Bill and Chelsea were probably distraught from knowing this nightmare was going to continue.

[nsd]

29. I'm beginning to feel this way too.

On Tuesday night, elated by the victory, I thought it would be best for Obama supporters to quiet things down until May 20, in the interest of party unity. However, that was predicated on the notion that Clinton would quiet things down too and attempt to go out classy. I thought she would take the opportunity to "climb down" with some dignity.

But, at the moment, it seems like she's decided to go a different way (did even Reagan brag explicitly about his support from "white" people?!). In that case, fighting back as hard as we can is justified.

[Independent-Voter]

30. Fuck her. It's well past time to put Veruca behind and concentrate on taking the White House.