BLACK VOTES are MEANINGLESS, and here's why...

[TragedyandHope]

I have seen these thoughtless, hateful words posted here too many times, in many different words. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Every one of us must tirelessly and forcefully REJECT this vile lie.



A MESSAGE TO ALL DEMOCRATS:

The Democratic Candidate MUST HAVE 80% of the black vote to win the WHITE HOUSE. Period.

Here's some history for you. Feel free to copy this and send it along to anyone who "just doesn't feel right" about Obama's black votes.

Kennedy, 1960: 68% of the black vote

Carter, 1976: 85% of the black vote

Clinton, 1992: 82% of the black vote

Clinton, 1996: 84% of the black vote

Gore, 2000: 86% of the black vote

Kerry, 2004: 88% of the black vote



PAY ATTENTION NOW:

Bush received 14 percent of the Black vote in 2000.



THE LESSON FOR TODAY:

If we had listened to Black voters, Bush would NEVER have gotten within a thousand miles of the White House.

Al Gore would have won by a LANDSLIDE.

Joe Lieberman would be waltzing into office in next year.





REJECT IGNORANCE. Think for yourselves. Making an argument based on your imagined perception of the racism of others just perpetuates racism. PLEASE STOP IT.


Please Kick and Rec this thread until we get the message across and clear this forum of such divisive and hurtful drivel.



American Children

Nisei, children of first generation Japanese American immigrants, considered themselves to be Americans, rather than Japanese because America was the only home they had ever known. They grew up like any other American children, reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, exercising patriotism, and believing in the American Dream. Shortly after this photo was taken, the Japanese American children were moved to relocation camps.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

1. Very beautifully demonstrated, T & H.

Plus, I believe in my heart that someone other than Lieberman would be the nominee.

[psychopomp]

2. So true!

The vast majority of the African American vote was against dumbya in both elections! :bounce:

(btw it's "nisei," not "nisi") :toast:

[TragedyandHope]

4. Thanks

Blame cut-n-pasting. I actually do know how to spell it, so I'll make the correction.

[psychopomp]

17. Yeah, noticed it only because

I am swimming in Japanese on a daily basis... Though I don't think I could have expressed your OP as well as you have, I've noticed that my writing skills have suffered after having lived abroad for an extended period.

Anyways, spot-on with your OP! :toast:

[TragedyandHope]

22. Thanks, I used to live over there myself

[LVjinx]

3. "BLACK VOTES are MEANINGLESS, and here's why..."

Can you provide even one example of someone saying that? This type of rhetoric is inflammatory and harmful.

[TragedyandHope]

6. I've responded to at least two post on this subject TODAY

Honestly, there are these kinds of comments every day.

If the moderators aren't going to do anything about it, we should at least ask all good Democrats to voluntarily take a stand against these kind of assertions.

One of these days the "racist f***s" will notice that Blacks voted for Obama in the 90% range. That does not bode well for race relations in the USA.

Winning N.C. doesn't exactly prove electability. A red state whose Dems are mostly black.

yeah, right... 90%+ of the black vote has nothing to do with race... nothing at all.

search for 90% of the black vote

[NashVegas]

11. One of Those Three Is a Likely Troll

The other two are a fact of the campaign. Neither was calling those votes meaningless. In fact, they were perceived as very, very meaningful.

Attempting to play down that number disguises the fact of how gender / race politics were used in this race and the fact that women were heavily and loudly and often criticized if they said they were voting for HC.

[TragedyandHope]

16. My point exactly

These votes should not be downplayed. Nor should those of any other group.

These are all American votes and just as relevant and vital to the election as any other.

[Major Hogwash]

12. Just 1 example? You're kidding right? This type of shit has been posted 1000's of times.

Said in a 100 different ways. Racist statements are fairly easy to see through in this day and age. Especially when 100's of posts and comments were made here defending what Ferraro said about Obama.

It's been going on a long time and it will continue to go on for a long time, even after Obama is the President.

[JVS]

5. "Joe Lieberman would be waltzing into office in next year."

Every rose has it's thorn I guess :-)

Nice post.

[galledgoblin]

26. ha, yeah, I had the same thought (n/t)

[yardwork]

7. This white woman agrees with you.

Black people have been supporting white men for president since this country began. Now it's the white folks turn to support a black man. I hope in my lifetime to see a woman as president as well.

Would it be too much to ask for an openly gay president?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

10. Openly gay? Not in our lifetime.

Not even on DU.



I'm just glad we have a chance to have the first AA President in our lifetime.

And I'm gonna work my butt off to make sure it happens. It's gonna be a tough battle.

But minorities have always faced an uphill battle. WE CAN DO IT.

I predict this to be the order:

1) first AA President (hopefully this year)

2) first woman President (within 28 years)

3) first openly gay President (within 80 years)





I'm gay.

[yardwork]

18. I'm gay, too. I hope that we don't have to wait 80 years.

Spain's vice president is an out lesbian.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

20. Amen. I just think we aren't ready till we have an AA and a woman first.

And probably a Hispanic (which I am part of).


I would rather have an openly gay candidate before I die.. but I'll settle for Presidents who embrace us and ALL people.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

8. Sorry, you can't compare the Primary to the GE

And I'm for Obama now.

I just won't stand for misleading posts.


Hillary won't be our nominee, but if she were, she would win the African American vote.

[TragedyandHope]

9. Exactly

It's time for everyone to stop using that specious argument as a knife to whittle down Obama's victories.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

15. The argument that the DEMOCRATIC Primary and the GE are two different things?

Get a grip.


Stop running on emotion and start thinking logically.

That's why I support Obama now. I think logically.


Don't try to compare Primary results with General Election results.


You aren't being honest.

[TragedyandHope]

21. I think you lost me.

I agreed with you. "Exactly." ..."Hillary won't be our nominee, but if she were, she would win the African American vote."

Which is why this argument is counter-productive. These votes have counted for all the Democrats I've listed and would have counted for Hillary. So, it's not okay to use this as an argument against our presumptive nominee. The facts simply don't bear out these kinds of assertions and it also belittles all loyal, long-time Democratic voters who happen to be black.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

24. I'm still not following you... but *hugs* anyway BECAUSE I think you are saying this:

1) We all need to vote Dem in November

2) Hillary would have won the AA vote if she had been the nominee.

[TragedyandHope]

30. Those points are spot on

:grouphug:

This post is about information and real numbers to dissuade people from their unfounded doubts.

[Cha]

14. Who cares what you won't stand for..this

isn't about you or your low information.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

19. Did Rush send you? You are causing discord on this board.

Tell me what was not factual about my post.

[woolldog]

13. Nice post.

k-r

[Tyler Durden]

23. Not to stir the pot.....but didn't we LOSE the two elections with max. AA vote?

Gore and Kerry? Now I know they were basically STOLEN, but the vote was still close.

AA people DO count, but in this election, both candidates have gone out of there way (one more than the other) to let GLBT people know THEY don't count.

This is, in the words of Lt. Gen. James Longstreet (CSA) "...a NIGHTMARE fight. You just pick your side and put your head down."

No one will be gladder than me when it's over.

[ProSense]

25. Al Gore got 90% of the black vote

In 2004, the Republicans successfully disenfranchised millions of black voters nationwide. They managed to suppress 350,000 votes in Ohio alone.

[BlooInBloo]

27. It's Clinton's Whites Only strategy versus Obama's Everybody strategy...

(shrug) Let's let it play out, and see who wins.

[Thrill]

28. No Democrat can win without the Black vote

[TragedyandHope]

29. I would add that the RW will use this to strike fear in the hearts of doubtful White voters

There is no doubt that the RW will use this "tidal wave" of black voters as a divisive wedge issue, to stoke the embers of hate for political advantage.

Democrats repeating these words over and over only reinforces the RW frame. That does no good for anyone (except bigots and Rethugs).

We need to stop this behavior in our own Democratic Party first, before moving on to tackle this discussion with Republicans and Independents.

[Brundle_Fly]

31. Also worth noting

in the general elections no other demographic is as disenfranchised and deliberately targeted as the black voters...

This year we'll need people to step up like never before and police their voting places...