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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:25 PM
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Well, there it is. She's not dropping out.
And she still thinks she can win.

Super Deligates, drop the bomb now. There's no reason to wait.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:26 PM
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1. Cue the tinkly, toys-in-the-attic crazy person music
Anybody got a net?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:28 PM
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2. OK, that cracked me up. I can hear that music in my mind.
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JackintheGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:29 PM
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3. I'm trying to figure out how to write it in letters
and i can't...
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:31 PM
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4. Here you go.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:33 PM
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6. Crazy......toys in the attic she is crazy.........
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:31 PM
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5. Edwards said the same thing, right before he dropped out. (nt)
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Jennifer C Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:34 PM
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7. Good point.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:40 PM
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12. Yes, but Edwards isn't batshit crazy. nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:49 PM
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23. Neither is she.
There are lots of reasons she might want to stay in.

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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:02 PM
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26. Exactly. 11.6 million of them.
n/t
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:22 PM
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30. HC isn't crazy...
that's just insane to say. She may be a lot of things, unlikable being the thing that comes most to my mind. But crazy? Not really.

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:41 PM
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13. He also hadn't won any states
Clinton has won all the key battleground states so far, except for MO.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:48 PM
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Thank you. She has more reason to say this than he did!
:)
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:20 PM
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29. I guess Wisconsin, Iowa, Virginia, North Carolina, and Colorado aren't battleground states?
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:24 PM
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32. As well as Kansas, Minnesota, Illinois,
Georgia and Louisiana? :shrug:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:54 PM
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33. Iowa maybe
and if you think he can carry any of the others in the GE, you're dreaming.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:35 PM
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8. You would think at some point that some concern for the good of the party would kick in.
Guess not. The SDs have to declare by the end of the month. Doing so any sooner is probably unrealistic. But this CANNOT go on for another month, unless we want the party in complete and total disarray. Do we really want to go into Denver divided among ourselves and with so much ground to make up that it borders on the impossible?

Why is she still in? Ego? Pride? Sense of entitlement? It sure isn't because of any care for the good of the whole.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:36 PM
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9. Again, she HAS to stay in for now
unless you'd prefer Obama to lose two races in a row to a candidate who's not running. She also has to pave the way for unification. LISTEN to what she just said at that press Q&A--she was deliberately distinguishing both her and Obama from McCain ("if you voted for me OR him, you didn't vote for more time in Iraq or the Bush economic policies"). The superdelegates who were interviewed today--and I don't think it was any mistake that superdelegates made themselves available for interviews--had a very coordinated message of unification by June 3rd. So did McAuliffe. The race is essentially over but the transition has to be done carefully.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:39 PM
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11. On the flip side
She could just endorse Obama now and ask her supporters to vote for him in those contests. That would be the real unification message.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:42 PM
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14. That's exactly what she should be doing.
Instead she decided to take more swipes at the Democratic party and the Democratic process.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:44 PM
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16. It wouldn't help
Obama has long ago alienated the women who make up Clinton's loyal base. Dumb move on his part.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:46 PM
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19. I see you're still in swipe the party mode too.
Give it a fucking rest.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:06 PM
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28. Talk to Obama about it
Edited on Wed May-07-08 05:07 PM by OzarkDem
It was his decision to use the strategy. :shrug:
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:46 PM
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20. so Democratic women would prefer to see Roe v Wade overturned than vote for obama?
Hmmmm....
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:06 PM
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27. First, its not likely Obama will win the WH
Second, women voters are about fed up with fellow Dems marginalizing women's issues by cramming Roe v Wade down our throats. Frankly I could care less if its overturned. Modern medicine has all but eliminated the need for traditional abortions.

Grow up, there are a lot more important issues at stake that women care about. Like health care, secure retirement and balanced budgets.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:45 PM
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18. Once she concedes and endorses him, she's basically out of the race.
Losing to her at that point wouldn't look any better for Obama.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:38 PM
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10. She only has to...
Win WV and KY with 100% of the delegates and the rest of the contests with 84% to pass Obama. With odds like that, how could she quit?

I wonder how badly she has ruined her future as a Senator.
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AllexxisF1 Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:42 PM
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15. By the end of this week.
By the end of this week I think the Super's will come out in droves. You can bet your ass that Dean is on the phone telling Supers to get off their asses!

Rachel was right last night, Hillary seriously thinks she can still win.


That is some seriously scary shit, this woman is hell bent on winning.


That's not a fighter, that's an egomaniac.


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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:50 PM
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25. Not making excuses but this is a life long dream and it is going to die really hard
Look at all that she has put up with, and put up with to put herself in position to be Prez one day, and all that she represents to a lot of women. It is going to be a very bitter pill to swallow when the day comes (and it is coming) for her and all her supporters.

I have been there back in 04 it is tough. Very tough.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:45 PM
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17. Didn't she meet with them this morning... What did they say that
influenced her to stay in the race I wonder?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:47 PM
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21. They probably said, "There's no way you can win"..
and that pissed her off, so she's going on.

Her ego is freaking scary.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:50 PM
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24. I don't believe that, she seemed spent last night and now this
morning she is back on the trail after canceling her appearances, which apparently she didn't... Who knows what to believe anymore?????
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:48 PM
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22. If you listened to all of the supers who were interviewed today
there was a very distinct, coordinated message. There are clearly reasons she's staying in that have little to do with actually taking the nomination.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:23 PM
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31. The longer that she continues this insanity, the more apparent it becomes
That she is doing all she can to get herself another chance in 2012. She is willing to sacrifice the good of the party and the good of the American people on the alter of her own vanity and greed.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:57 PM
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34. She's in deep debt, she's got $11 mil in the game herself, she's lost.
She can keep racking up debt, betting more money on a losing hand, and digging herself into a deeper hole. She has peaked, and from now on, it's going to be "what is wrong with this person?!" by media.

Obama needs to avoid letting her shenanigans distract him.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:03 PM
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35. What's the rush?
Obama's won it. We don't need to browbeat it.

It's going to take a few days before it's officially over - she's probably playing the wheeling and dealing game with various bigwigs to find a way to bow out in a way that enables her to save face.
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