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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:18 AM
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Conservatives (Heart) Hillary
Conservatives (Heart) Hillary


A few days ago I was talking to a prominent conservative commentator who told me how much he'd come to admire the campaign Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., had waged against Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

No fan of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the commentator said to me that if Clinton promised to not raise income taxes and she gave the conservatives the next Supreme Court pick, he'd vote for her.

That won't happen, of course -- but it's a remarkable phenomenon, and now it's showing up in conservative publications.


Rich Lowry, writing in the National Review:

"Was just talking to a shrewd friend. His take on the turn of events in the campaign and how it has affected Hillary Clinton (quoting roughly): 'Hillary has shown a Nixonian resilience and she's morphing into Scoop Jackson. She's entering the culture war as a general. All of this has made her a far more formidable general election candidate. She's fighting the left and she's capturing the center. She's denounced MoveOn.org. She's become the Lieberman of the Democratic party. The left hates her and treats her like Lieberman. Today, Obama is distancing himself from Wright and Hillary is getting in touch with O'Reilly. The culture war has come to the Democratic party.'"


Noemie Emery in the Weekly Standard:

"She's running a right-wing campaign. She's running the classic Republican race against her opponent, running on toughness and use-of-force issues, the campaign that the elder George Bush ran against Michael Dukakis, that the younger George Bush waged in 2000 and then again against John Kerry, and that Ronald Reagan--'The Bear in the Forest'--ran against Jimmy Carter and Walter F. Mondale. And she's doing it with much the same symbols. ...she is becoming a social conservative, a feminist form of George Bush. Against an opponent who shops for arugula, hangs out with ex-Weathermen, and says rural residents cling to guns and to God in unenlightened despair at their circumstances, she has rushed to the defense of religion and firearms, while knocking back shots of Crown Royal and beer. Her harsh, football-playing Republican father (the villain of the piece, against whom she rebelled in earlier takes on her story) has become a role model, a working class hero, whose name she evokes with great reverence. Any day now, she'll start talking Texan, and cutting the brush out in Chappaqua or at her posh mansion on Embassy Row….

"She might run to the right of McCain, if she makes it to the general election, and get the votes of rebellious conservatives. Or she, Lieberman, and McCain could form a pro-war coalition, with all of them running to pick up the phone when it rings in the small hours. The New York Times and the rest of the left would go crazy. Respect can't get stranger than that."


It's interesting.

Discussion point: Obama is getting the support of some prominent conservatives -- Doug Kmiec comes to mind -- because of their view that he could maybe unite the country.

Clinton, on the other hand, is starting to get Atta-Girls from other conservatives because they sense compared to Obama she's more or less on their side in the "divided" America. (Though after a nasty Fall campaign they would no doubt consider her the second coming of Bella Abzug and race to pull the lever for McCain.)

Discuss.

Jake Tapper is ABC News' Senior National Correspondent based in the network's Washington bureau. He writes about politics and popular culture and covers a range of national stories.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/conservatives-h.html
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:18 AM
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1. Of course. Hillary is a conservative (R) n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:19 AM
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3. Then so is Obama
since their policies are nearly identical.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:20 AM
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4. read the post
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:30 AM
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6. The post to which I responded
was pretty short. Didn't take long to read it.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:36 AM
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8. thanks for reading
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:22 AM
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5. not their politics. - nt
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:33 AM
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7. Sure they are
and it's sort of silly to claim that there's a left/right divide in politics.

They're both running for the nomination. They both pump up their own positives and pump up their opponent's negatives.

To claim that Clinton is a conservative is just a lie. To believe that, one must also believe Obama is a conservative. The stupidest part of this whole primary race is people who believe there's a big left/right difference between the two.
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:00 AM
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9. nope. hillary is shameless like the right wing. - nt
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:15 AM
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10. That's an objective opinion
and I can easily point to a thousand posts on this board that I consider shameless lies and smears against Clinton. But your measure, those people are right-wingers.
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:23 PM
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16. really? thousands you consider shameless lies and smears against clinton? do it.
if its really that easy. and notice i was talking about clinton specifically, while you dont even seem to be talking about obama.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:21 AM
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14. Obama's responses are more mature than Hillary's
Edited on Wed May-07-08 06:23 AM by RC
Hilary has a tendency to fly off the handle, to get even. Their policies may be similar, but Obama has shown a more restrained mature response. Hillary's responses seem to be right out of middle school. We don't need any more children setting government policy.
Also Obama believes in negotiations, Hillary in killing Innocent people to solve the problem. ("Nuke Iran") After Iraq, we all know how well that has worked.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:17 AM
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15. Their policies are identical. BUT THEIR BEHAVIOR is not. Hillary was a Republican
Tool. THEY were using her (Limbaugh's Operation Chaos anyone?) She used Karl Rove's playbook and the same nasty, divisive, lying, smearing, dirty attack-dog political ploys the Republicans do - AGAINST ANOTHER DEMOCRAT and she has damaged the party and would have continued had we let her get away with it.

So yea their policies are identical but I will say this again for the 100th time: THE WAY THEY WILL GET THINGS DONE AND IMPLEMENT those policies are VERY DIFFERENT.

And THAT has weight with me particularly when the policies of two candidates are similar.

HILLARY is a REPUBLICAN. Walks like one, behaves like one conducts her campaign like one (and WORSE). Her behavior in this campaign is despicable.

I DO NOT approve of that when Republicans do it and I WILL NOT SUPPORT it when a Democrat does it. PARTICULARLY when a Dem does it to another DEM.

I WANT CHANGE. NOT REPUBLICANS OR REPUBLICAN-STYLE POLITICS. Hillary would have been the latter, NOT the former.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:27 PM
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17. She's using the Clinton personal fortune to buy her time.
Her campaign must be about $20 million in the red by now, between the huge loans and the unpaid debts. What kind of Democrat writes themselves $11 million dollars in personal loan checks?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:03 AM
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12. Bingo. - n/t
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:19 AM
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2. She would keep the traditional political power structure intact
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:36 AM
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11. These same "admirers" would be calling her a Commie the second she won the nom - Tapper is a fool
Edited on Wed May-07-08 03:37 AM by BlueManDude
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:29 AM
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13. Whoa, that sounds horrendous and plausible.
Edited on Wed May-07-08 04:30 AM by barack the house
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