It's official: The DLC is now BEGGING for Hillary to be VP!!: Straight from Harold Ford's mouth.

[newmajority]

And Harold, you can do to me what Monica did to Bill.

It Ain't Fucking Happening!! :grr:

[BlooInBloo]

1. NO.

That is all.

[LSparkle]

5. I agree -- Obama doesn't need an albatross around his neck ...

and her husband to boot.

[izzie]

23. I tend to think that way also but I do want to win.

I really think that all new people would be the best bet in how Obama has set him self up and I also would like to see all the old gangs gone. Or a good many of them any how. Times are changing and we need new people in DC. New thinking.

[BlooInBloo]

61. Um, albatrosses STOP you from winning.

[Why Syzygy]

81. Right. No Lieberman types dragging him down. Dead weight.

[roguevalley]

40. Ford can go jump off a cliff, the dork. What a wanker.

[tridim]

2. She'll get nothing

and like it.

[babylonsister]

3. NO-O-O-O! She couldn't win w/o him, he can

certainly win the GE w/o her. I want Obama to pick someone he can work with; it's going to be a long hard slog.

[PoliticalAmazon]

73. Ford is relentless with this begging, and MSNBC has him on about 24/7. n/t

[tekisui]

4. He is saying it is necessary because Obama can't get whites.

bullshit.

[Divernan]

41. HRC's high disapproval ratings (47-8%) the last 17 years have been all white.

The Clintons enjoyed tremendous support from the black community until the past 6 months or so.
It is reasonable to argue that no discernible portion of that 47% of Americans who have strongly hated her for most of the past two decades were African Americans. Therefore, if you were only polling whites on HRC's "highly disapprove" ratings, the numbers would climb closer to 60-65%. So adding her to the ticket in the VP slot would guarantee that "Obama can't get whites." Which has been Clinton's overall motivation since January.

[Jim Lane]

66. Well I agree with him that Obama should pick a white running mate....

but that still leaves him with a few options besides Clinton.

[Cali_Democrat]

68. LOL!!!

Does he think Obama will pick a black running mate or something?

:rofl:

Of course he is going to pick a white running mate. Is Hillary the only member of the Democratic Party that can pull in the white vote?

What a bunch of crap.

[ecstatic]

72. To attract whites, wouldn't any white VP do?

I think not putting HRC as VP would only hurt him among extreme white feminists who were rooting for Hillary.

[TBF]

82. I'm a 41 year old white feminist and I sure don't support Hillary -

Ms. "Stand by your man" and "I could've stayed home and baked cookies" has insulted more women than she has helped. Barack needs a moderate white male, ideally with military experience. The outgoing president has the lowest approval rating in history - do you really think people want to stay on that course? Barack needs to keep up the good work and calm some of the rural voters with a moderate white VP - but it shouldn't be Hillary. She will scare away other people, like true moderates.

[LakeSamish706]

6. I hope the hell Obama feels the same way we do on that... No way in hell...n/t

[npincus]

7. Hell NO... NEVER, not EVER... she can Robo-Call herself!

[NightWatcher]

8. the stench of desperation is strong in the Hill-camp

[OzarkDem]

9. Harold should move

to the same deserted island where Begala and Brazile belong :eyes:

All three need to indulge their secret fantasies and turn GOP.

[LakeSamish706]

15. Actually funny enough, it would seem that Brazile supports Obama....

At least that is what I got out of her argument (live on CNN) with Begala... hmmm Will have to see.

[OzarkDem]

42. Regardless of who they support

they're both useless, egotistical people who love to compliment the GOP. As for Brazile, she has quite a long history of losing campaigns.

[TBF]

83. I actually used to watch CNN alot before Wolf Blitzer fell in love with Hillary -

and I think Donna has been for Barack all along. She went ballistic the first time Hillary started talking about superdelegates deciding it.

[Fearless]

10. She had her chance before slinging all that mud... sour grapes.

[azmouse]

11. Harold can dry up and blow away.

No way does Hillary get the VP nod. No way.

[godai]

24. He was pathetic in pushing this.

When asked does she really want to sit there as VP for 4-8 years, he said...I take her at her word. The reality is, no way she could stand that and no way Obama wants her.

[azmouse]

31. It would be a nightmare for Obama to have her (and Bill) around.

[cboy4]

12. He seems worried that Obama won't reach out to Hillary

and her supporters, which would cost Democrats the White House.

He's right if that indeed doesn't happen.

[gmudem]

Never gonna happen.

They're begging for this because they know she can't win and she needs something to quench her thirst for power. I think Obama's smart enough to realize this bullshit ploy for what it is. Clinton would most likely sabotage the ticket to win in 2012.

[Auntie Bush]

62. So Hillary is in search of power but Obama is not?

:puke:

[Erin Elizabeth]

13. Does anyone REALLY think Obama would pick Clinton as his VP?

Really?

I mean seriously?

No fucking way.

[LisaM]

19. I've said before that I believe she would pick him, but he wouldn't pick her

Because all that talk of being the unity candidate is just a bunch of bluster.

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[LisaM]

51. Well, you can believe that

But I think you're wrong.

[Middle finga]

14. We are witnessing the demise of the DLC. All DLC members

need to be purged!!!

[Leopolds Ghost]

69. It's war, young lords, raise your swords! every DLC member has ta go accord!

[Kitsune]

16. If this actually happens, I will be extremely disappointed.

To the point of not voting for the presidential ticket. I can't cast a vote for any ticket that woman is on after the way she's comported herself in this campaign. I will gleefully vote for all the downticket Dems, but not her. Ever.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. They want to throw Obama an anchor while he's swimming to victory.

[WA98296]

18. She wants highest office so bad, JUST HOW FAR would they go then?

[williesgirl]

20. NO FUCKING WAY after the campaign she's run. Let her run w/McSame. rec'd

[rocktivity]

21. Did Keith disclose that he and Hillary are DLC agents?

A DNC-based president and a DLC-based vice president--yeah, right.

:headbang:
rocknation

[BattyDem]

22. If she wanted to be the VP ...

she never should have started the mudslinging.

NO WAY! :grr:

[Middle finga]

25. Let her go get on McCain's ticket, She seems to be more

in line with his agenda than she is with Obama's

[NoBushSpokenHere]

26. Heard her mention "we" the other day like she was referencing

her and Obama both being in the White House... I am just hoping he hasn't already succumbed to being Clintonized... scary thought, downright scary.

[mtnsnake]

27. You faux leftists are hilarious, considering you don't even realize Obama is the DLC dream candidate

Obama has DLC written all over him. He just isn't a card carrying member.

Ford predicted the DLC will play a major role in the issues debate that unfolds in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary process. The group will not side with any one candidate, he said, even though the organization has close ties to a number of potential nominees, from Vilsack to Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Joe Biden (Del.) to Gov. Bill Richardson (N.M.). Even Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) has expressed interest in "finding ways he could work with the DLC," according to Ford. (Ford describes Obama as a "personal friend" and says they talk regularly.)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/fords_next_move.html

From a year ago:

DailyKos straw poll shows shows Kossacks prefer John Edwards 37% to Obama’s 27% with Wesley Clark a distant third at 14% (the Blogometer has checked these numbers at 6K, 13K ,and 16K votes and there has been no change in the %s). Netroots ambivalence towards Obama’s candidacy seems to stem from two related sources: 1) his perceived centrist/Liebermanesque/DLC rhetoric; 2) and his inability/refusal to lead take the lead on a major progressive issue (especially the war).

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/01/obama_wire_the.html

The DLC doesn’t necessarily pre-select candidates, but they do keep an eye out for possibilities. Obama has been on their watch-list for some time. Now that they see his sex appeal, they may rally behind him. He could be Hillary without the polarizing effect, a real possibility to hold the office.

http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/obama-lieberman-and-the-dlc/

Add to that his DLC campaign theme of "reaching out to Republicans" and it doesn't take long to see who the real DLC candidate is if you're willing to read between the lines.

[dchill]

28. I'm pretty sure Obama and Hillary BOTH know...

that would be a big mistake. For Obama.

[jgraz]

29. Hey Harold, does the phrase "fuck her and the ex-president she rode in on" mean anything to you?

Oh, and Harold? Fuck you, too, you slimey git.

[Barrymores Ghost]

37. Baddah-bing, baddah-BOOM. n/t

[Webster Green]

30. Harold is a fuckin' weenie!

I can't stand the little prick. :thumbsdown:

[Tippy]

32. I DON'T think she will take VP if offered

[Seabiscuit]

39. At first, that's what I thought but then I thought but she would make

history as the first female Vice President and will always be remembered as such. She would do a great good for many young women in this country. She also would be a natural envoy to send to many countries around the world. I don't see a negative to that.

[OzarkDem]

48. Why would she want it?

It would be a disservice to all the Dem women (52% of the party's base) who supported her to ask her to make such a move.

If Obama is lucky enough to win the nomination, he can run against McCain on his own. He won't be getting any of my help.

[Barrymores Ghost]

52. Well, enjoy your exile!

The rest of us will go on about rebuilding this country and its standing in the world community.

Say, I'm on my way to the grocery store. Let me know if I can pick you up something -- like maybe a nice big box of tissue.

[Tippy]

60. Why do you say it

"It would be a disservice to all the Dem women (52% of the party's base) who supported her to ask her to make such a move."

As far as your not helping Obama...you must not be a real Democratic party member.

[Tippy]

67. Her victory speech last night

She was sending out a very mixed message...She was ready to jump on a plane and head to the next Primary she finished with Obama and I want to unite our party. There was a lot more but you get the message....

His speech he also taked about uniting the party...

[JerseygirlCT]

33. You know, I think he could help her. I don't see where she helps him nt

[Seabiscuit]

34. You never know ... it could just be an unbeatable ticket. Two great warriors Obama and Clinton.

They would both take down anything McCain would put up as V.P.

[OzarkDem]

49. No it would be an insult to Clinton

and the women voters of the Dem party. Sending a strong message that women Dems are second class citizens, even though they are the largest part of its voting base.

It would be a real disappointment to see the party leadership treating its base in such a demeaning fashion.

[Barrymores Ghost]

54. Just so I'm clear:

Your support for Hillary was based upon your belief that she was the best Democratic candidate for the job...and not just because she was the only woman who stood a chance at the job...right??

I mean, it's kinda hard to tell from listening to you whether your loyalties lie and die with your gender, or include the party and country.

[cui bono]

56. Oh please, stop with the blame sexism sob story.

You could just as easily look at it from the other pov and say, that would be great, first female VP, good move for women.

[Barrymores Ghost]

59. Welcome to the Wacky World of Hillary:

Subtitled "My Way or the Highway"

[shimmergal]

87. On the other hand. . .

if she's willing, it might be the only way to keep some of those 50% of Clinton primary voters who say they'll go with McCain over Obama if he's the Dem. nominee.

No other V-P nominee can do that. Any male at this point--even a strong Hillary supporter like Wesley Clark--would just be an additional slap in the face, emphasizing the "second class status" of women in our political life. A woman who'd been in the Obama camp since early on would just be viewed as an intended sop to the party's female base--what could be more cynical?

And if Obama picks a male to run with him, and McCain had the good sense to choose a moderate Repub. woman co-candidate (granted, there aren't many of them in the Repub. camp, but perhaps, say, Susan Collins) it'd be all over for the Obama campaign. Not that I expect him to do this, no doubt McCain will follow the conventional wisdom that he needs to shore up his Right-Wing-crazy credentials.

Now I know the word is that the disgruntled Clinton voters will come around by November. Based on some whom I know, I'm not so sure. Best case is--some will; some won't. But do Dems really want to take a chance that even 1/3 of them will stay away?

And as for demeaning. SEVEN of the seventeen 20th-century Presidents had formely served as VPs. There's no sure route to the U.S. Presidency, but just these figures hint that being VP is probably a more likely way to get there than most. Certainly more likely than being a Dem. nominee who lost a previous run for President. Republican politicians sometimes get a second chance at it; Dems don't. I'd hope Barack is cognizant of this fact and wants to do everything possible to maximize his voter base.

[Barrymores Ghost]

35. They can lick my bollocks...

...and kiss my arse...and Bob's yer uncle.

[GetTheRightVote]

36. I agree, she burnt that boat when she went after Obama like she did

months ago, forget her Obama there are better VPs out there for you.

[Turn CO Blue]

38. flame away, but give me a day or two and I could support this

We need to stand united against the Swift Boat campaign to come...
Hillary has a lot to offer. She has likely learned a lot. She can learn a lot from hanging around a person with such good judgment. I think it could work.

Obama would still be President (the boss -- HER boss) for goodness sake.

[New Dawn]

43. Clinton on the ticket = John McCain in the White House

[KaptBunnyPants]

44. The Clintons burned that field months ago.

And they've been laying down salt ever since.

[mdmc]

46. BEG!

Down on your knees DLC punks!

[nyccitizen]

47. He will offer it to her...

Putting her on the ticket will guarantee a GE win. He's not stupid (that's why he's winning). Offering her the slot will make him look magnanimous in victory, help us deliver FL/OH/PA, and put him in the White House.

As much as he'd like to pick someone else, he won't cut his nose to spite his face.

[superkia]

50. I noticed that just watching a few minutes of the 24hour propaganda...

networks, they were talking that up. I think that is just the last ditch effort for the elite to have some control and input in the white house. I would be afraid for Obama if she were his Vice president because the corrupt would certainly knee cap him. America wants change so he shouldn't have anything to do with Clinton!

[ampad]

53. Why would she want to?

Wouldn't she be more comfortable as Veep for McCain. After all she said McCain had the experience and all Obama had was a speech.

[B Calm]

55. BAD idea! Her on the ticket will take votes away from Obama!

[Cassandra]

57. The DLC would say anything to get back into the WH...

where they could make prompt use of Cheney's office and separate lines of communication.

[Raine]

58. FUCK NO!!!

[Doityourself]

63. That was unbelievable!

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

64. I told my wife the same thing when I heard it...

;)

[Renaissance Man]

65. Times like these...

...you wish she would have remained a Democrat and stopped cowtowing to the Republicans. I had so much respect for Hillary before these primaries, but all of that has pretty much gone out of the door.

[Leopolds Ghost]

70. Hillary is the DLC's Manchurian Candidate for Veep, now?

[Leopolds Ghost]

71. Hillary is the DLC's Manchurian Candidate for Veep, now?

[Unbowed]

74. NFW n/t

[Mags]

75. I hope she doesn't, but he can't win without her.

[TBF]

He has gotten more delegates than her, yet he can't win without her? What kind of logic is that?

[TBF]

84. He has gotten more delegates than her, yet he can't win without her? What kind of logic is that?

[Heather MC]

76. Does he have to wear the same blue dress??

[graycem]

77. I agree..

the bridge was burned. There's far too many other, more compatible, stronger choices for him to make. Besides that, he is going to mop the floor with John McCain, with or WITHOUT the racist vote. Period. People are hurting, and the Republicans are shaking in their boots, and pretending to be happy about McCain and the prospect of an Obama matchup but it's all pretend, they don't believe in showing fear, it would ruin their "image". This past week in Louisiana scared the crap out of them and they KNOW it. The bums are being thrown out, thanks to their war, torture, economy, and gas prices. They've broken everything they've breathed on, and their "chickens are coming home to roost."

[ShortnFiery]

78. Harold Ford is not even discreet. DAMN the Clintons. They need to go away. They had 8 fucking years

DO we really OWE "the Clintons" any damn thing?!?

[Bucky]

79. You want Harold Ford to hand your semen stains over to Linda Tripp?

What an odd way to show contempt for Mr. Ford.

[L0oniX]

80. Screw the DLC

:evilfrown:

[Poll_Blind]

85. The DLC are duckshit-fuck-hats. She'll NEVER BE VP! n/t

PB

[tiptoe]

86. Rush Limbaugh propped up Hillary's (and the DLC's) primary results (+ importance for the Dem Party)

See: How Operation Chaos Caused Obama to Lose Indiana and Vote Shares Everywhere Else

Hillary should not be allowed to be the WH conduit to *Co.

[rodeodance]

88. asking for sex acts to be performed on you is against the rules:

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That's the rule broken. Anyone interested can cut and paste that into their alert.

[NC_Nurse]

89. After the way she's campaigned, NO WAY. She would just be dead weight

anyway - too high negatives. No help for the ticket. And Bill around saying weird things.

NO, thanks.

[Cha]

90. Yeah, they'll try and sneak her ass in there some way

some how. Bullshit. No Fucking Way.

She should have thought of that before she went medieval on Obama and threw her lot in with mccain.



I swear some peeps have the memory span of a gnat.