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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:39 PM
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Psst, Obama Supporters...
I just heard a piece of info from someone who definitely has strong ties inside of the world of politics.

Apparently, the final internal polls done by the Clinton camp - have her losing Indiana.

This person is not prone to exaggerate or lie.

So keep calling, keep donating and keep up the positive energy.

Hopefully, at the very least, we can keep it very close in IN.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:41 PM
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1. IF that is true, IF, she is likely drafted her concession speech now.
:thumbsup:
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:43 PM
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4. This might explain with Terry M...
Isn't making bold predictions today.

But I believe the Clinton camp's polling was off in NH so...
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Secret_Society Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:02 PM
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45. I just saw someone on MSNBC say...
that she heard that Clinton's internals have her up in NW Indiana, where Obama was supposed to perform well.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:41 PM
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2. that would explain McWhatever's sweat on MSNBC that some were discussing
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:47 PM
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9. Maybe, just maybe, the MSM did us a favor...
I fundamentally believe that Democratic party members have a natural instinct to protect the disadvantaged - to root for the underdog.

I wonder if this non-stop Wright stuff has started to piss people off to the point where they are rallying behind Obama.

Who knows? Maybe, maybe not.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:52 PM
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14. they at least got people numb to it.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:24 PM
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33. "McWhatever" had a problem when Russert asked him...
for a prediction on tomorrow's primaries. He wouldn't do it. He just rather unconvincingly claimed to feel good about their chances. The day before PA he was predicting a double-digit win for HRC. Not today, though.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:42 PM
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3. Sounds plausible, maybe
I am usually pessimistic, but Obama sounds more optimistic about Indiana than I had expected, given what the public polls are showing. He doesn't seem all that eager to lower expectations...makes me wonder if both campaigns know something we don't.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:48 PM
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10. Obama is having a GET OUT THE VOTE rally tonight in Indianapolis with special guest Stevie Wonder!
Hope CNN covers that one LIVE online!

Barack Obama in Indianapolis, IN

Join Barack Obama at a rally in Indianapolis on Monday, May 5th.
Get Out The Vote Rally with Barack Obama
with a Special Guest Appearance by Stevie Wonder

American Legion Mall
N. Meridian St. and E. North St.
Indianapolis, IN

Monday, May 5th, 2008
Gates Open: 7:30 p.m.

The event is free and open to the public. Tickets are not required, but an RSVP is strongly encouraged. Admission is on a first-come, first-served basis.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/indianapolis
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DMorgan Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:59 PM
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25. Wish I were in Indy tonight!
Love BOTH those guys!!! Barack and Stevie!
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:03 PM
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27. please Obama, don't wave at him!
unlike our cretin-in-chief
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:21 PM
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56. +1
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:46 PM
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41. fuck.
Edited on Mon May-05-08 04:46 PM by mopinko
i knew i shoulda stayed in indy. fuck.

edited to say- again- he is endorsed by stevie wonder!! what the fuck else would any progressive want.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:43 PM
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5. I'll believe it when I see it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:52 PM
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12. LOL! Me, too. But, it would be nice to see.
:)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:20 PM
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31. It would be very nice to see indeed.
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:54 PM
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17. My Take
Again some polls are underestimating Obama's support among Blacks.Even Insider Advantage which has Hillary the closest In NC also has It close In Indiana.The Gas tax could backfire In Indiana.I am
very skepical of Survey USA's polling In Indiana.Remember don't discount Zogby.Remember there were
other states he nailed.Survey USA was just as wrong on Missouri as he was about California.If Indiana
was such a blowout In polling why Isn't Obama spending all his time In NC? This being said I still believe she Is more likely to win Indiana.However Obama has more of a shot at a upset here.However I think the best case sceniro for her would be a 7 point win.As for NC Survey USA often has him when he wins by less than he actully does.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:20 PM
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55. Simple answer: each is in the state they expect to win
they don't want to be giving a speech in a place where they've lost.

i really think it's that simple.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:44 PM
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6. You should ask your 'friend'
If they could loan you ten bucks so you could get a pretty star next to your user name...

Shit, I should just get you one for this bit of semi gossip, that if true...YEE HAW!!!!!
I dont see him winning Indiana but ya never know.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:54 PM
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18. Thank you for reminding me...
I've been meaning to donate for awhile.

So that's two donations today. Fifty bucks to Obama. Fifty bucks to DU.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:44 PM
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7. It coresponds with her change in tone
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:30 PM
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36. Wonder what it was...
Gas tax holiday pandering, specious and bungled anti-gun control ads, over-saturation of the Jeremiah Wright "con-troversy," Clinton fatigue, multiple home states, multiple accents, multiple personalities...
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:46 PM
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8. Time will tell...nt
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:50 PM
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11. Please oh please don't mess with my heart!
My heart will be broken if Indiana doesn't go for him! I hope he will win here with all my heart.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:52 PM
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13. We will see tomorrow.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:53 PM
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15. I just can't see this.
Hillary will win Indiana.

It will be a massive coup if somehow Obama pulls it out.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:56 PM
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22. I'm preparing for the same...
But this person has great connections so I thought I should share.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:22 PM
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32. Thank you for sharing!
I didn't mean to detract from your contribution.

I have **zero** connections, so I always like hearing from people who do have them!
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:25 PM
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34. This is my only one...
But it's a nice sized one. Definitely connected.

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Austinitis Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:53 PM
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16. I don't think so.
And neither does the rest of the world.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:55 PM
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21. The vast majority of us don't really care what you think. n/t.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:09 PM
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53. don't you mean, "and neither does the rest of HillaryLand"
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:54 PM
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19. any word on where Obama/Clinton will be Tuesday night?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:55 PM
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20. The only thing to back that up is the IA poll which shows Obama winning undecideds 4 to 1.
But I also dont trust that poll.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:56 PM
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23. If that happens I will dance all night long and drink Yellow Label from a shoe.
Party time.

But, alas, I fear that this is not the case.
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:51 PM
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42. hope you have mouthwash if you have to work Wednesday
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:57 PM
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24. Psst, the race is over
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:02 PM
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26. Not to diss your insider, but wasn't the same prediction made before PA?
I remember reading something very similar on DU the day before the PA primary.

I hope this is true, even though I believe Obama is going to win the nomination regardless.
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DMorgan Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:06 PM
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29. MSNBC reporting that Evan Bayh... Sen of Indy
Cautiously optimistic for Hillary.... "emphasis on cautiously"

That might be the "Insider" view.

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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:10 PM
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30. I didn't make that prediction...
To me, what makes this stand out is the source of the info. The Clinton camp's internal polls. This isn't a "here's what I think/want" post.

Who knows? The info could be wrong.

I do remember quite a few Clinton posters saying they had access to internal Clinton camp info - and that HIllary would do very well in PA.

I haven't seen any of those posts lately. Maybe I've just missed them.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:04 PM
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28. Howie Fineman reported that Evan Bayh is Cautiously Optomistic about IN, empahsis on Cautious
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:30 PM
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35. Just what would you expect him to say.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:33 PM
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37. Howie or Bayh?
Cuz McCauliffe has been known to predict victories and doesnt buy into the game of lowered expectations.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:20 PM
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60. Bayh. But it's interesting McAuliffe wasn't on the tube today predicting victory tomorrow.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:28 PM
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61. He was on the tube, just didnt predict victory.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:56 PM
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44. Oh fergodssakes! Rendell said the identical thing right before Hillary beat the pants off Obama in
PA.

My god....get a grip.
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semass Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:36 PM
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38. Psst, Obama Supporters... Limpballs said that on his show today! n/t
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:42 PM
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39. I don't listen to that shithead. He's disgusting. n/t
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semass Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:46 PM
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40. Then why did you say the exact same thing he said? n/t
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:05 PM
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52. Oy - that question is too silly to take seriously. n/t
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:54 PM
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43. Obama supporters will gobble up anything. Do you mean to tell us that of ALL
the people who are fixated on this race, your "friend" and you are the only two who have this sooper seekrit information?

God gawd but some of you are insane.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:03 PM
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51. Nope, I never said that.
In fact, we can't be the only people who know this.

Anyone in the Clinton camp who have access to their internal polls would know it as well.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:11 PM
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46. COOL!
I so hope this is true! :-)
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:16 PM
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47. Everything in me wants to believe he will win this thing by 1.5 pts. n/t
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:19 PM
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48. Even a tiny margin of victory in IND for Obama = HUGE
He wins both states Tuesday - game over. :hi:
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curious one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:43 PM
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49. I don't have access to any insider's info but I rely on HRC body language
Last night at JJ dinner, she was somber and very positive and did not promote herself as usual. Today all her handlers were interestingly quiet and well behaved. So what do you think?
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:56 PM
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50. My cousin knows a guy in Indiana who...
Edited on Mon May-05-08 05:57 PM by davsand
Sorry, I'm not making fun of you, but here in Illinois that particular start is usually the intro for a MOST amazing urban legend. In my circle of friends we joke about it.

FWIW, I do hope you and your friend are correct, but I'm not planning the celebration yet. Obama has an amazing ground game and Indiana is a state kind of like Illinois--with a lot of folks who didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I think Obama will do better than expected in Indiana, but I would be hesitant to take an Obama victory to the bank just yet.




Laura
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:20 PM
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54. Misinformation Just like th early exit poll info?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:23 PM
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57. I doubt this
The Hillary people are trying to make Indiana seem like a hugely important state while minimizing NC right now.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:24 PM
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58. Just heard on tweety that Clinton camp thinks they're going to do well in NW Indiana because of
Wright saturation from Illinois media market.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:28 PM
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59. Uh-huh...
There is the public face and then what's going on behind the scenes.

Like I said, who knows if their polls are right. But I do believe my source.

If they were confident of a double digit win, they'd be crowing about it. Instead of parsing info - and talking about corners of states.
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