Hillary is on CNN right now claiming

[NorthCarolina]

that she started from way behind in IN and NC, and that Obama has been claiming that he would win both States by huge margins for some time now. I heard her mention this last night as well.

I have been trying to verify that this is in fact a "true" statement but have been unsuccessful in finding any indication that Obama indeed said he would win both by "huge margins", but possibly I am not crafting the search components correctly. So far I have only been able to verify that he has said he is the underdog in IN. What's that truth here? Can anyone provide me with a factual link that reliably quotes Obama as saying he would win both IN and NC with "huge margins"? I'd like to know if this is true, or if it's just a fabricated statement from Hillary.

[Bensthename]

1. He has said many times, he will win NC and she will PA and Indiana is any ones game..

And that was weeks before PA.. She is full of it..

[MadBadger]

2. He was up big in NC, but I dont think he was up in IN

[Nederland]

27. Correct, he was never up in IN

Except for one outlier poll taken a long time ago.

[CherokeeDem]

3. I haven't seen any quotes or heard Obama say that.

Hillary is trying anything to make her close wins or close losses look like victory. It would be interesting to see if there are such quotes but I am inclined to believe there are not.

[blm]

4. Hillary STARTED way ahead of EVERYBODY in both states until Obama overtook her in NC

by the end of March.

Typical Bush-Clinton perception management tactic.

[rodeodance]

26. silly spin on your part

[blm]

30. Really? You would bet your house that Hillary didn't start out the primary far ahead of Obama

in both NC and Indiana?

Would you like to put YOUR spin to the BET YOUR HOUSE TEST?

[truebrit71]

5. If HRC fell in a lake and said the water was wet I'd need independent verification...

She's a despicbale fucking liar...

[bowens43]

6. the woman is a pathalogical liar.

nothing she says can be believed. Obama has NEVER said that he would win anything by huge margins prior to the contest.

[Yurovsky]

9. But she IS sincere!

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

She's just a shot & a beer kinda gal .... yeah, that's the ticket.

[ellacott]

7. Obama has said the IN would be the tie-breaker

Russert asked him about this on MTP. He rarely claims he will win anywhere by big margins. He has a little more humility. She wouldn't know humility if it smacked her in the face. I'm tired of her.

[goclark]

10. The lady knows no limits to her greed and her nose

She is Pinocchio.

[ellacott]

15. Yes she is

[EFerrari]

11. And he meant among those three states, not the whole contest. nt/

[ellacott]

14. Hillary wasn't talking about the whole contest either.

[NorthCarolina]

25. In my original post

I stated exactly what she said...that Obama has been predicting wins by huge margins in both IN and NC for some time now. From best I can gather, that is just factually untrue. If you can link me to a competent source that proves what she said is true I'd like to see it. The intent of my original post was to see if I could come up with verification of her statement, as the statement from Hillary was unchallenged by the CNN interviewer and so I thought quite possibly that he had said it and I just missed it.

[ellacott]

34. My reply was in response to the previous poster

I understood your question. :)

[newmajority]

8. If Hillary's lips are moving, assume she's lying.

I can't think of the last thing she said that was NOT a lie.

[rucky]

12. It's in indication that she won't drop out after losses in either or both states.

And if the Super-D's gravitate to Obama based on the results, Hillary surrogates will have a reason to cry foul.

This is becoming so predictible.

[parasim]

13. She's probably going by the thing that was reported on Politico the other day...

Where supposedly got a hold of some projections from the Obama campaign. The campaign has stated that it was not intended for release and the article was representing only the first of several scenarios.

according to that scenario, the Obama campaign projected a 53-46 win in Indiana and a 53-45 win in NC.

-snip

Bloomberg News's Catherine Dodge and Alex Tanzi reported yesterday that they'd gotten their hands on a detailed Obama campaign spreadsheet projecting the results of the rest of the state contests, which was released "inadvertently" by the campaign.

They've generously shared the underlying document (.xls), which is really worth a detailed look — though the campaign notes the spreadsheet contains several scenarios, and this one just happens to be the first.

-snip

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Obamas_projections.html


I'm not saying that I agree with it in the least, especially since I'm an Obama supporter, but just wanted to put it out there that that might be where she's getting her idea from...

[NorthCarolina]

16. Thanks for your response

you are obviously a much better "googler" than myself.

[parasim]

18. You're welcome, but actually I didn't google for that particular bit of info...

I saw it here on DU the other day and just went back through my browser history to track it down.

[NorthCarolina]

21. Often times when I use google it does give me links to

threads here on DU, but I was unable to find any bit of information that might substantiate her claim. It still doesn't provide credence for the exact phrase she used, but it probably is sufficient to keep the media from challenging her on the statement, which they did not do...at least on CNN.

[lojasmo]

17. Another CLinton lie. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. EOM

[onenote]

19. six months ago (Nov 07): HRC leading in NC by 9-24 points

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nc/north_carolina_democratic_primary-275.html#polls

Six weeks ago: Clinton up in Indiana by 3 - 16 points.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/in/indiana_democratic_primary-639.html#polls

[peaches2003]

20. She is so insulting her base

She obviously thinks her base of 'older women', blue collar workers and voters with less than a college degree and so stupid that they believe anything and everything out of her mouth. What an insult to good people.

[Zodiak]

32. The media is insulting them too

Calling them "low information voters"

[Lucky 13]

22. Fucking Liar.

I am beyond sick of her.

[grantcart]

23. itscalled campaigning its what candidates do

[NorthCarolina]

24. So, if the statement is factually untrue

you still think it's fair because it's what politicians do? Not sure I follow you on that logic.

[grantcart]

28. The logic is that Hillary has gone from attacking Obama personally

and going after issues that will tear the party apart (FL/MI). No talk of Wright or Ayers.

She stopped baiting him on not debating.


She has changed her tone 180 degrees and is now pandering and spinning. Trying to change expectations is something every candidate does. A more nuanced view will show, I think that Hillary has indeed heard the party and she is now taking the high road with typical "we were behind and we are catching up" rhetoric. I for one applaud her for it. Same with the pandering. Of course we criticize it but it isn't anything that McCain can use in the GE.

[Cali_Democrat]

29. Of course Obama never said that

He would never boast about potentially winning by huge margins.

[NorthCarolina]

31. She went unchallenged in the statement by the CNN interviewer though

unless he was just totally clueless and simply going through the motions of questioning her.

[not_too_L8]

33. Sounds like sniper fire!!