Oregon Statesman endorses Hillary; Obama has not yet shown ability to get things done

[Maribelle]

But the Editorial Board keeps stumbling on two key questions: What has Obama done, either as an Illinois legislator or a U.S. senator? And will his missteps in speaking lead to destructive missteps in action?

But Hillary Clinton does get things done.

After leaving the White House, she handily won election in New York, where she proved that she's not simply an urban lawmaker. Rural New Yorkers speak highly of Clinton, praising her for paying attention to their parts of the state.

In the Senate, she has achieved influence much greater than one would expect for her seven years on Capitol Hill.

Clinton "gets" the concerns of the middle class that dominates the Mid-Willamette Valley. She was the first candidate to offer Oregon a "compact" of campaign promises on state-specific issues such as restoring county timber payments and giving the state say about siting of liquefied-natural-gas terminals.


http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/OPINION/805040309/1048

Congratulations Hillary! You deserve this!
:bounce:

[Condem]

1. The Hillrat Valley,Maribelle?

[Maribelle]

6. :-)

[Condem]

7. You're going to lose big, Maribelle.

[Maribelle]

12. I'm going to?

Right.

[Radio_Lady]

52. Hi Maribelle. Don't let the opposition get you down. We just mailed our ballots.

Have you?

Good night and good luck.

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[Radio_Lady]

54. Condem: A poster of undeclared gender. Guess what IT is!!!!!

[Radio_Lady]

60. What has Obama done, either as an Illinois legislator or a U.S. senator?

And will his missteps in speaking lead to destructive missteps in action?

[newmajority]

75. You shouldn't be referring to people as "it"

Or questioning their gender. Are you transphobic, or something?

[annie1]

2. awesome. : )

[grantcart]

4. yeah a republican newspaper endorsing republicans and hillary

[Maribelle]

11. Hillary loves to slay the dragons.

I've lost count now.

[Condem]

13. It shouldn't be to difficult, Maribelle. One or two.

[Maribelle]

14. Wrong again.

Ask any Obama follower how many times they've screamed out right here on DU-P :) when another dragon was slain by Hillary.


I've lost track.

[Condem]

15. You're the only one who has lost track.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

23. Hillary did a great job passing health care in the 90's, and was brave under sniper fire

she's really awesome.

[Radio_Lady]

55. WillYourVoteBeCounted: A poster of undeclared gender. Guess what IT is????

[Radio_Lady]

62. What has Obama done, either as an Illinois legislator or a U.S. senator?

[Blondiegrrl]

33. LOL ... interesting how the subbie failed to mention that it was a Repug paper. n/t

[Maribelle]

36. Dang - - Oama's followers should run screaming this to Drudge

[grantcart]

38. not your fault your candidate has left you with slim pickens but don't blame us for

reporting the truth

[Maribelle]

41. Say? It's bad bad when they endorse Hillary; but not when they endorse Obama

Perhaps you should check out the number of conservative endorsement y'all bragged about earlier. ha ha ha

[muryan]

53. The bigger question is what are the motives for the endorsements

Most republicans I know voted for Hillary as part of operation chaos (Rush's oxy-driven pipe dream). The others were Ron Paul supporters who switched to Obama as a way to bring the troops home the fastest. At least to me, there is quite a bit of difference between those two

[newmajority]

74. Yep. Owned by the Gannett corporation - vile right wing scum.

Thank God my hometown paper is no longer owned by those assholes.

[grantcart]

3. you should have included all of their endorsements

The Statesman Journal Editorial Board has made the following endorsements for the May 20 election.

No endorsements are made in uncontested races.


These recommendations are only for this election, not the November general election.


FEDERAL

Fifth District: Democrat Kurt Schrader; Republican Kevin Mannix


U.S. Senate: Democrat Jeff Merkley; Republican Gordon Smith

President: Democrat Hillary Clinton; Republican John McCain

[roguevalley]

43. that newspaper even I wouldn't buy in my newspaper junkie days.

[wileedog]

5. Hillary promised 500,000 new jobs for New York

She delivered -30,000, and then blamed Gore for losing the election. Which her husband probably cost him.

Getting things done indeed.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

24. she got confused and mistook India for New York

its a simple mistake that happens when you have "senior moments".

[Maribelle]

31. Has anyone taught Obama the Great Lakes are not in Oregon yet? We don't have to make things up.

You see the problem was that Obama's "Oregon plan" was a hastily cut & paste of what he had issued in Pennsylvania. And sloppy editing left in references to the Great Lakes and Pennsylvania veterans.

Hillary is the one with the real plan and solutions for Oregon -

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/1/235235/4183

[roguevalley]

45. Hillary is loathed, despised in a way hard to articulate in half of

Oregon. They don't even want to listen to her voice. She will never win Oregon. Ever.

[Radio_Lady]

56. RogueValley: A poster of undeclared gender. Guess what IT is!!!!

Is that the Rogue Valley in ALASKA????

[blm]

8. So - WHAT did she DO? In 8 years did she lead ONE Opposition to Bush and Rove on anything?

Can the Oregon paper list what she ACTUALLY accomplished? NO.

[RareLubbockDem]

9. Who?

[Maribelle]

17. What on earth do you think you are?

An owl? :evilgrin:

[Radio_Lady]

57. LOL.

Radio Lady -- who??? (Still sounds like a yodel to me...)

[Radio_Lady]

61. What has Obama done, either as an Illinois legislator or a U.S. senator?

And will his missteps in speaking lead to destructive missteps in action?

[NotThisTime]

69. First he hasn't publicly said he'd obliterate 70 million people, but besides that...

Barack Obama has a superior record to Hillary Clinton on confronting lobbyists and special interests.
Barack Obama does not take federal PAC or federal lobbyist funding for his Presidential campaign, while Hillary Clinton does. In fact, Hillary Clinton said, “Lobbyists represent real Americans.”
Barack Obama has released his personal income tax returns much earlier to the public for scrutiny, while Hillary Clinton has only recently and under public pressure to do so.
Barack Obama passed the toughest ethics reform legislation in the U.S. Senate since Watergate, while Hillary has not passed a bill yet of this magnitude.
The majority of Barack Obama’s campaign funding comes from small donors, while the majority of Clinton’s comes from large donors.
Barack Obama was the leader in revealing to the public all of his federal earmark requests, while Hillary Clinton was not.

Experience

Barack Obama has passed more progressive legislation in his lifetime than Hillary Clinton. As an Illinois Senator he passed over 200 of the bills he wrote. These bills include:

A bill that expanded healthcare to over 100,000 people in Illinois.
A bill that set up community health centers to serve underserved populations.
A bill that provided the earned income tax credit to thousands of Illinois families.
A bill that reformed the death penalty that had sent innocent people to death row
A bill that banned gifts and meals from lobbyists.
And much more.

While Hillary Clinton has spent more time in the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama has gotten more substantive legislation that affects the American people passed while he’s been there. Many of Clinton’s bills were about naming post offices and buildings. However, Obama’s legislation includes:

A bill with Senator Richard Lugar which bans the development of nuclear weapons.
A bill that created a public database where average Americans can see how the government is spending their money.
A bill that provided important assistance to address the situation in the Congo.
A bill that Nancy Pelosi calls “one of the toughest ethics reform” bills in this history of the Congress.


IS THIS ENOUGH OR WOULD YOU LIKE MORE?

[anigbrowl]

73. What have you done, besides cut and paste the same message over and over?

If you can't write something, maybe you should just buy a banner ad instead.

[ShockediSay]

10. Well for one, Barack Obama put togetether one hell of a campaign

organization which hit the ground running while Hillary's 'executive experience'
left her organization at the gate in need of a number of firings/resignations.

[Radio_Lady]

63. I'm thrilled with that answer........

What has Obama done, either as an Illinois legislator or a U.S. senator?

And will (Obama's) missteps in speaking lead to destructive missteps in action?

[judasdisney]

16. All the answers I need about Obama are in his campaign: smart, powerful, gets things done.

[Maribelle]

18. Tell us all what Obama gets done?

And Hillary supporters, we didn't start the fire. It was always burning ...

http://yeli.us/Flash/Fire.html


Obama has done diddly squat.

[Condem]

19. That fire is about to be doused, Maribelle.

What the fuck has she EVER done?

[judasdisney]

28. She co-sponsored a bill banning flag burning.

What has Obama got done? He has created a campaign of competence that has somehow "beguiled and duped" smarter folks than myself to DEFECT from Hillary -- a campaign that has somehow "beguiled and duped" us with its intelligence and well-run, classy, anti-Rovian methods.

"Let the conversation begin"? From that beginning, she has sounded condescending.

But she did co-sponsor the bill banning flag-burning.

[Gore1FL]

29. Won more contests by greater margins?

[Beausoir]

42. Don't forget the gay-bashing Obama has encouraged! Mission Accomplished.

As if McClurkin was not enough, now Barry has Bill Richardson on board. Bill Richardson..who believes that being gay is a choice.

[roguevalley]

48. he's beating the queen. hows that for diddly squat.

[jackson_dem]

47. His IL record is a total fraud. Obama doesn't mention Emil Jones does he?

Obama's "achievements" in Illinois are a fraud. He has done nothing in DC.

[madrchsod]

59. you live here in illinois?

do you live in his district?
or do you live somewhere else in illinois?
so you did`t vote for him in your district?
so you voted for keyes or the other two candidates during the 2004 election?

so 70% of all the voters in illinois were wrong while you and the rest of the 30% were right...

speaking for the 70% were are so sorry we voted for obama..honest, we did`t know he was so so bad as to make you all upset....

[jackson_dem]

68. Anyone could get 70% against Alan Keyes

[Radio_Lady]

65. Jackson_Dem: A poster with undeclared location and gender. Guess what IT is!!!

No journal either.

Unidentified people on this site are suspect during this primary season. On EITHER side.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[jackson_dem]

66. I like to ski. Does that make your life better?

[madrchsod]

71. i thought they might be from illinois

because they seemed to know a lot about my state and our politics...espcially when they come back with-any one would

[Upton]

20. Big deal, the largest paper in the state, The Oregonian endorsed Obama

http://www.oregonlive.com/editorials/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1201919105109970.xml&coll=7

[depakid]

46. LOL. Trust me, that rag's endorsement isn't something progressives are impressed with

It's pretty much considered a laughing stock in this state.

[roguevalley]

50. and the Oregonian is conservative. Good going, Oregonian!!!

[FrenchieCat]

21. So what is it exactly that Hillary has done?

The Oregonian endorses Obama
http://www.oregonlive.com/editorials/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1201919105109970.xml&coll=7

[blm]

25. Hillary hasn't LED ONE FIGHT and accomplished ONE THING of significance for this country

or for the Dem party. She rolled over and wimped out her entire time in the senate and was too cowardly to lead even ONE battle to oppose Bush and Rove.

But boy she sure is quick to smear and attack any Democrat who DID stand to oppose Bush over the years, eh?

[juajen]

37. I will list one thing, and then will leave, as I do not like the atmosphere

here any more. I left bullies behind in high school.

When the Bush administration tried to cut the amount that they had promised the victims of 9/11, Hillary addressed Bush personally and in public, calling him out on this betrayal. She fought hard for the people of NY and got the amount promised.

I could name many more instances, but you people are truly brainwashed and do not like facts.

BTW, why don't you check veterans sites to see what she has done for Veterans pay and benefits.

Truly, you people make me sick to my stomach.

[Radio_Lady]

67. My sentiments exactly, Juajen. Hope to see you around another day.

Radio Lady in Oregon

[blm]

76. A LOT of lawmakers led the fights for veterans - HRC tagged along. Ever see her FIGHT on camera

or take a battle to the airwaves when she thought it was tough, like Alito or on ToraBora, or on Iraq, or Downing Street Memos, or whenever another Dem was being smeared?

She would NOT. She only surfaced when started her campaign.

And if the Clintons hadn't spent so much of what influence they did have on supporting and defending Bush they may have had more to use on other Dems and Dem issues.

It makes ME sick that so many of you think it was OK for Clintons to defend and support Bush for so long. It makes ME sick that you want to REWARD their TWO DECADES of cowardly capitulations to BushInc.

[RBInMaine]

22. He's gotten almost 1.5 million donors DONE, & 31 primary wins DONE, & more election wins DONE, and

more pieces of legislation DONE, and a long period of work on the front lines as a community organizer DONE, and a term as the first AA prez of the Harvard Law review DONE, and if I had twenty pages or so I could list the everything else he has gotten DONE.

[jackson_dem]

49. Obama sure is great for Obama

His electoral success does nothing to help people other than him and his wife.

1) His Illinois record is a fraud. See Jones, Emil.

2) He was the compromise choice of the law review because he was all things to all people... He played them like he is playing voters across the nation now... Besides, being president of the HLR was only good for Obama.

[Condem]

26. Seems like your thread has gone to shit, Maribelle.

[Radio_Lady]

58. You're making it kind of shit, Condem. Crap drives out good stuff.

Just look what's happened to the Democratic Underground...

[zulchzulu]

27. She gets wars going REALLY well

Obviously the Oregon Statesman is too lazy to do some homework. They chose the Snipergate freak.

Whatever...

[RememberWellstone]

30. Here they come.........

Wait till NC and Indiana speak, we will see more of these shadows come to life.

[Blondiegrrl]

32. Gets things done? She's doing a GREAT job of polarizing the country! n/t

[Maribelle]

35. No she is not polarizing the country. Obama's cult pouring out the hate against Hillary

has married wingnut hate, and hey are selling pictures of the ceremony.

[roguevalley]

51. she is the fox favorite, has the wingnut support. you have that backwards.

anyone dem with a conscience would have repudiated all that AND they would have gotten respect for it.

[Brundle_Fly]

34. if memory serves

this is a right wing paper.

figures

[Reader Rabbit]

39. Title is misleading: I thought Kitzhaber had endorsed Clinton.

He's the only true Oregon "statesman" I can think of, off the top of my head.

[StevieM]

40. Congratulations Hillary! (eom)

[TheDonkey]

44. Interesting this excerpt doesn't explain what Hillary "has done"

except winning in NY. Something Obama can say he did in IL. She's been in DC 7 years but they don't say what she has done except "achieved influence." wtf? Sounds like they just wanted to sell a few extra copies.

[madrchsod]

64. funny ,i just read today that a democratic official in oregon

gave a big prop to obama for signing up tens of thousands of new young democratic voters...i guess the guy did`t get the memo

she has`t done anything for anyone but herself...

[Lord Helmet]

70. she'll be lucky to hold onto her Senate seat

[Beacool]

72. Fantastic!!!

Thanks!!

[lojasmo]

77. Is the statesman a super delegate?

Oh, it's a smallish right wing rag. Stellar.

[Freedom Train]

78. K&R!

In your face, Obots.

:patriot:

[Vinca]

79. If she steals the nomination, you'll be kissing the feet of the "Obots." nt

[Staceyclinton]

80. GO hillary!

:woohoo: :applause:

[Ian_rd]

81. Hillary's ability to skillfully effect a scorched earth campaign have indeed shown she's ready

to be President Bush.