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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:24 PM
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A Desperate Hillary Clinton Resorts to Threats and Intimidation in Indiana

If You're Desperate and Your Name is Hillary Clinton, How Do You Get Endorsements from Indiana Officials Wishing to Remain Neutral?



Relucant to Endorse, Indiana's Democratic County Chairs Were Subjected to Acrimony, Arm-Twisting, Negative Emails and Threats to Re-Election Campaigns as the desperation of gutter politics reared its ugly head in Indiana. Obama support has been met with swift retribution from Clinton's Indiana Machine.



Clintonian (Soprano-Rovian) politics stand in harsh contrast to Barack Obama, who has been steady, poised and calm throughout the long campaign. Dignity or Desperation? Threats or Cool Logic? The Superdelegates, and the people, have made their choice - a choice that Clinton's sliming, smearing, obfuscating, distracting, shrieking, crying, threatening, retribution, name-calling, bullying and spinning will never change. She is the Desperate Past. He represents the Shining Future. We are moving on and away from the ugliness and acrimony that Clinton and her surrogates offer. We are taking back our country and our party.

Yes. We. Can.



Bayh and Parker Pressure Dem Chairs in Indiana

KOKOMO - Yesterday’s announcement from the Clinton Campaign that it had secured the endorsements of 40 Indiana Democratic Party county chairs was the result of a months-long effort by Sen. Evan Bayh and state party officials to mobilize the party’s grassroots machinery in support of the New York senator. The Clinton camp has relied primarily on Bayh and state party chairman Dan Parker to secure endorsements from legislators, mayors, and county chairs in an effort that has encompassed personal phone calls, dinner dates, and sometimes acrimonious arm-twisting. The covert organizing has miffed Obama supporters and impartial party leaders hoping that neutrality will mitigate post-primary fractures in the party.

Yet in recent weeks, the work has paid off for Senator Clinton, who has even welcomed a rash of once-neutral leaders who are succumbing to private pressure in increasing numbers. Parker began the recruitment effort for Clinton when Bayh announced his endorsement of her nine months after abandoning his own presidential ambitions in 2006. A month later, Parker had enlisted 17 others, including the chairs of five of Indiana’s nine congressional districts and two other superdelegates (Parker himself is one).

"Behind the scenes it’s been interesting," said Tim Southworth, the chair of Indiana’s sixth congressional district, who remained neutral until yesterday. He received a call from Parker the week Bayh endorsed, but withheld his support so that he could "hear both sides of the story." He acknowledged that party pressure since played a part in his decision to go public.

John Bonecutter, the Clinton County chairman, last month expressed bewilderment at the endorsements of other officials. "I don’t know why they would do that before the primary," he said. "I wouldn’t want to favor one or the other in my position. I would not presume to endorse in a public forum of any kind." Yesterday, Bonecutter endorsed Clinton.

"If you endorse somebody, then you’re saying, ‘This is my candidate, and we’re not even going to work for you,’" said Sandra Tyler, chair of the Fulton County Democratic Party. "I don’t think that’s the way it should be. We never have endorsed and it’s been my policy for the last eight years that we do not endorse anybody in the primary. Everybody has a chance . . . that’s basically closing the door to the other candidate." Tyler, too, has since endorsed Hillary Clinton.

The other capricious chairs have acknowledged the pressure they’ve come under. The state party is supporting Hillary, formerly neutral Clay County Chairman Joseph Broyles said, adding at the time, "I feel that pressure."

Bayh has implicitly cast his conversations in personal terms, arguing — without arguing — that Clinton’s nomination could earn him the vice presidential nomination. "There’s been the message sent out that Bayh is on the short list if Hillary wins," Mike Adkins, the chair of the Hancock Democratic Party, said. And as the de facto leader of the Indiana Democratic Party, Bayh’s circle, with Parker in the lead on the ground, controls the purse strings of the party accounts that vulnerable mayors and legislators (of which there are many) perennially count on for re-election in increasingly expensive contests. Adkins characterized Clinton’s Indiana operation as "top-bottom," Obama’s as "bottom-up."

The ninth district has become especially volatile. District Chairman Mike Jones sought permission to endorse Clinton from his district’s county chairs at three organizational meetings in a row, getting rebuffed each time, according to Jefferson County Chair Jim Melton. Finally Jones endorsed yesterday anyway, departing on the same day from Baron Hill, the congressman whose interests Jones is primarily tasked with looking after, but who bucked Bayh to announce his endorsement of Obama.

Bayh fundraiser Dean Boerste immediately began the retribution against Hill, distributing a mass e-mail to party insiders that angrily accused Hill of "defying all political logic" and threatening "damage to Congressman Hill’s re-election efforts." The message encouraged recipients to call Hill’s office and express their "concerns of making any endorsements," advising the congressman to "stay focused on his re-election."

The pressure generated by Bayh, in particular, has weighed heaviest on the chairs of Indiana’s largest counties, whose support he sought first and most aggressively. One chair was invited by Clinton to lunch with Senator Bayh and Chairman Parker. Later Bayh and second district chairman Butch Morgan met with the district’s chairs on behalf of the Clintons.

more at link<snip>




The Future is Bright. The Future is Barack Obama.

"It's not enough to change political parties in Washington. We've got to change the way politics works." - Barack Obama

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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:30 PM
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1. The Clintons make me sick
They are no longer Democrats in my mind.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:42 PM
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2. They've been able to get away with all these underhanded tricks because our
lovely press has been busy pastorbaiting for two months. As bad as years past have been, I've seen nothing quite as low quite as consistently as the HRC Campaign.. and its virtually gone unreported by the media.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:38 PM
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88. thank god for Saint Obama of smear and lie
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:53 PM
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5. Then you have successfully succumbed to the GOP's "How do we beat the bitch?" plan.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:10 PM
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21. It's by her own making - no one else's. They're scum.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:53 PM
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50. Lower than scum. nt
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:37 PM
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56. "John Bonecutter, the Clinton County chairman" - I hope the name isn't descriptive
yikes - "Bonecutter" Run delegates run, she's got the Bone Cutter after you!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:18 AM
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63. True. Hillary did this to HERSELF. n/t
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:44 PM
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58. Not if you want her to be defeated by another Democrat.
And nobody in this thread was using that word until YOU brought it in.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:46 AM
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70. No, I expect the poster has merely been worn-down by the relentless negativity ...
... of the Clinton campaign.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:20 PM
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27. That's what my co-worker said
today only he was just talking
about hilary in conjunction with her
pandering.. on the gas tax and
he mentioned the drinking shots and beer..

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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:08 AM
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81. This is precisely why Hillary's health care plan failed
It's this very steamroller style of intimidation that turns people off. It's not an "uppity woman" thing either. Tom DeLay was guilty of the same tactics and it was ultimately his undoing. People resent being dictated to on what actions to take, or which candidate to support. A candidate that espouses change needs to act in an inclusive manner. The Clinton's relentless browbeating might appear to get results, but ultimately (as in the past) it will blow up in their face.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:16 PM
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100. This is an excellent point. Time is not on her side.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:50 PM
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3. This is a fence that will never be mended.
Seems to me that there should be a split in Dem party. I know I could never support or vote for any Clinton or their followers and I have a feeling I'm not alone.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:54 PM
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8. It is the Birth of a new Era in politics. And it will suffer 'birthing' pains. I do believe
brighter days are ahead once the cancers are cut out of the party and the political system as a whole. It is not going to be easy, or without pitfalls.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:27 PM
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30. I can only hope that you're right. It's so depressing right now. (nt)
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:01 PM
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33. You are definitely not alone.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:20 AM
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64. You are not alone. All Hillary has done is split this party...
...maybe that was her intent, or maybe she's just SUCH a narcissist that she doesn't see or care as long as she gets what SHE wants.

Regardless, what she has done cannot be undone.

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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:13 PM
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104. Still taking the "left-wing" of the party for granted...
Everything Clinton has done makes perfect sense as long as the actions begin with the assumption that the "left-wing" of the party can be taken for granted. Her dismissiveness of MoveOn earlier in the campaign makes that assumption pretty easy to spot in her campaign... and once you take the left for granted, then all you need to spend your attention on is the "right" of the party.

A strategy that seems to be reflected in her stance toward Iran. Carville's claims that she's a mutant who's so macho she has three balls. Her "down-homesy" image spinning, in contrast to Obama as the "effete" that is emblematic of all things "left".

The only problem seems to be that, in the process, she seems to have done nearly as effective a job of alienating the Democratic Party base as Lieberman did with his Iraq/Greater Middle East hawkishness.
OOPSY!! She was eyeing the GE so fixedly that she neglected the detail of the primary she had to win first... and in the process of her GE posturing, she has essentially spit on half the party base... more than half, as judged by the delegate count. So now she has to resort to whatever tricks she can to try to get control of the pesky elements of the Democratic Party that might actually like to have their "left-wing"/"activist" interests addressed.
Her message to the left-wing of the Democratic Party is easily paraphrased as "Go Fuck Yourself...", in my opinion.

It's a shame, from where I sit. Obama, as a candidate brings that wing of the party in, and even seems to be trying to bring the "right" of the party & independents in as well... and to make sure that she gets the nomination she's trying every trick she can come up with to split these new voices back out of the party...

Well... if she manages to succeed... it will indeed be her party... and in that case she can have it.
In that case, I have another candidate to seriously consider.

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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:52 PM
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4. I guess they didn't learn anything from Bill Richardson?
n/t
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:53 PM
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6. Am i surprised at all ---- NO!!!
This is so sick and self-defeating!!! Bah!!!
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:54 PM
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7. They are just horrible vindictive evil people.
Combine that with power hungry and they are terrifying.
:scared:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:57 PM
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9. HCBC=McCain=Bush

It's a shame but it is true.

The Evil Family.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:59 PM
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10. Nice family picture
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:11 PM
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22. These pics are cute, too!
Edited on Sat May-03-08 07:14 PM by rainbow4321
slideshow


Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., left, and his wife, Michelle, brave the wind as they leave after visiting a house built by his great, great, great, grandfather in Kempton, Ind











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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:14 PM
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24. They are absolutely precious ! I love these pics :-)
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:02 PM
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34. What a gorgeous couple and family!
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:00 PM
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11. where was your outrage when the black SD reported that they were
being pressured by Obama to support him? Remember? We had a defection due to the pressure? Where was your outrage then?

Hypocritical double standards.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:02 PM
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14. blah blah blah
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:15 PM
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26. I believe that SD said the pressure was from constituents? Not from the Obama Camp. Big difference.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:27 PM
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42. No. It was from the Obama camp.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:28 PM
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43. Link? Facts? Names? I'll gladly do the research if you'll just supply some facts. Thanks.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:33 PM
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45. Great...I am certain you can find the names of the
black delegates who first supported Clinton and changed because of pressure.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:50 PM
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48. Why would I know about Clinton delegates? You're the one who brought it up, as if you knew the facts
to make this article and OP invalid. I guess that means, you don't know the facts? If so, why act like you did?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:00 PM
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12. So Bayh can endorse, but if anyone cancelles out his vote, we need to start
a campaign of phone calls and letter writing talking about how "angry" endorsements make the constituents?

Dear Lord -- boot every last one of these corrupt people out of office.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:02 PM
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13. Great pic of the Obama Family there.
Just thinking of watching these kids grow up in the White House for the next 8 years puts a smile on my face. What fun this is going to be, the younger one looks mischievous!
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:03 PM
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15. Welcome to the smoke filled rooms Democratic Party. You better get your house in order
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:05 PM
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16. This is about a family being in power for too long. nt
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:06 PM
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17. This is how the Clinton beasts...
Edited on Sat May-03-08 07:07 PM by TwoSparkles
...have run their political lives for decades.

It's why the Supers are breaking for Obama.

It's why the Dem establishment (Kerry, Kennedy, etc) have come out for Obama.

The Clintons strong arm, threaten and manipulate and most of their relationships are not based
on respect. They are based on quid-pro-quo machinations and threats.

Is any of this really surprising...at all?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:07 PM
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18. I will work to unseat Bayh.
the most populous areas of the state are solidly for Obama. These areas of the state do not have to put up with Bayh's ego, any more than we have to endure Hillary's attempts to put MI or FL into the delegate counts.

It will be a hard battle, but Obama has created a ground campaign here via volunteers. Joe Lieberman had to run as an independent (with Clinton's endorsement) because the democrats of his state voted for Ned LaMont. Bayh is playing a losing hand. I hope it costs him his senate seat. I, for one, am sick of him and would be glad to put a Dean democrat into that DLC slot.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:28 PM
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101. Thank you for sharing your optimism and your on the scene analysis
My fingers are crossed that you are right.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:07 PM
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19. Wow, lightening and shaping her eyebrows really did wonders for her, didn't it?
Sorry. That was just my immediate reaction to that photo.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:09 PM
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20. Scummy, gutter politics. Threatening people? Really? Disgusting. n/t
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:11 PM
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23. You've got to wonder
just how that kind of political thuggery is going to work out in the fall?
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:14 PM
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25. Enough is enough
And I've had more than enough of the Clintons.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:26 PM
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29. Mega ditto on that one....
...waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than enough! :puke:
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:21 PM
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28. I posted this earlier today, & not 1 reply! Sigh... your post is much more catchy though..
And has pics! :thumbsup: :D Yes, I'm so disgusted at Bayh right now! Funny, even though the Dem chairs are being strong-armed, people still managing to get plenty of Obama signs! I so hope he wins, and Bayh eats crow. I can only imagine what his people are doing to Baron Hill right now.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:09 PM
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38. I saw one of your posts earlier today but didn't see this particular
article.. sorry ! I did see that you'd remarked in one of the downthreads that there were threats occuring in Indiana, so I assumed you'd read this.

Are the people of Indiana aware of the shenanigans.. or are they watching MSNBC? LOL !
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:38 PM
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46. no, they are totally unaware, as far as the local news goes.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:39 PM
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31. Hysterical bullshit. Your title is a joke.
crybabies
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:10 PM
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39. Is it really, now? You're the one who sounds hysterical.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:39 AM
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76. you don't give a shit about any of what you wrote. You just want to spread hate and division.
inspiring.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:01 AM
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79. You sound.. bitter. I guess I would be too if I supported a candidate like Clinton.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:22 PM
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87. Your reply is a joke
lurking freeper
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:59 PM
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32. Disgusting.
:puke:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:04 PM
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35. How many Govenors
Has she promised the VP spot to lol
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:10 PM
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40. I think her "dance card" is full !
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:48 PM
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47. Bayh
Will have one hell of a fight with Fast Eddie from PA. I lived in both states and I don't think Bayh has the stomache or fortitude for a fight for the PA govenor.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:06 PM
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36. Bayh will never be her VP. if she does somehow win, the only person she will ask is Obama
Edited on Sat May-03-08 08:07 PM by galaxy21
and I think she knows that. She couldn't win without him., his supporters would never go for an obama less ticket, but might if he's vp.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:07 PM
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37. More and more the Clintons remind me of the old USSR politburo types
Political goons who use intimidation and worse to get their way.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:21 PM
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51. Lessons from Nikita !
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:19 PM
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41. Sen. Clinton is definitely not considering the aftermath
There is gonna be a helluva hangover for Sen. and Pres. Clinton when they look around and see how badly they have trashed their own house.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:29 PM
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44. Oh, I'm sure that started long before Indiana.
She's gotten most of her votes through Rush Limbaugh and threats.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:36 PM
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55. Did those "personal phone calls" include Chelsea whining:"But WHY won't you vote for my mother?"
A number of special delegates have reported getting these unpleasant calls from the Clintons' 29 year old dtr. It's fine for candidates to trot the kids out for family pics, or waving at the crowds, and if they're intelligent, and highly educated adults, like Chelsea - then send them out as surrogates to make speeches and answer policy questions. But these whiny phone calls where she just keeps repeating "But WHY? WHY won't you vote for my Mother?" are beneath contempt. HRC, Penn, Bill AND Chelsea are counting on the fact that nearly all adults will not choose to repeat negative things to someone's child. Whining "Why" repeatedly is the act of a spoiled brat.

I don't blame Chelsea. I think being raised by those two power-drunk egomaniacs would screw up any kid, no matter how bright. Imagine the pressure those two would place on an only child.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:46 PM
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95. I feel sorry for Chelsea.
She's had no privacy her entire life - and she's got two of the most embarassing parents ever.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:50 PM
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49. It's weird. I thought kicking out Lieberman was the last of the DLC.
But, you're right. It is this campaign that will finish off the remaining corporate elements of our party.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:49 PM
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52. Bye Bye, BAYH, The Democratic BASE is TIRED of the DLCers
Obama has PROVED that MONEY can be Raised without CorpoSpecial Interest. The sooner you DLCers understand this the better the Party will be, if you don't like it then you guys should ALL join the Joe Lieberman Party.

WE DON'T WANT YOU ANYMORE. You represent the HAVE MORES, not the struggling Americans within the Democratic Party.

GO AWAY.




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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:27 PM
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53. PA Governor Rendell threatened to cut off various state funds to local governments
if their mayors didn't endorse HRC.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:44 AM
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72. Funny thing was
Edited on Sun May-04-08 03:44 AM by Jake3463
In Allentown the mayor endorsed Clinton. His wife volunteered at Obama headquarters.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:31 PM
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54. What a BORE you Obama groupies have become!!!!!!!!
What happened to all that B.S. about HOPE????????????

The only thing you people spread on every blog is HATE!!!!!!!!
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Heathen57 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:40 PM
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97. No comment about the OP
So typical of the Clinton supporters on here it seems.

From your lack of concern over these tactics, I have to assume that you approve of such backroom antics.

The hope is still there, but we don't have to put up with dirty politics, especially from a Democrat. Those things belong with the GOP.

I guess that makes sense since Clinton is a Repub in all but the name. Disgusting.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:41 PM
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57. I hope this gets out and there is an Indiana backlash
Although when the County itself is named Clinton, you kind of expect the chair to endorse Hillary.

Wish you hadn't included the witch picture though.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:46 PM
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59. OMG. You're the one who looks desperate here.
"soprano/rovian" - :rolf:


I think the term, "jumped the shark" comes into play here somewhere.


It's just sad, is all it is. The venom. The pictorial commentary.

Do you own a mirror?
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:46 PM
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60. K&R
:applause:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:16 AM
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61. I wondered how long it would be before she sent her flying monkeys to start
harassing people.

Predictable.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:17 AM
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62. Obama will have to be up to this if he's going to beat McCain
in the fall.

His supporters need to do more than whine about how unfair everything is.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:22 AM
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66. It would be expected from Republicans - but NOT from a fellow Dem....
...because if it's Dem on Dem destruction - it destroys the party from the inside.

And THAT is what Hillary is doing with this little charade of hers. Because she didn't have the party loyalty and INTEGRITY to bow out so that the Democrat who is winning NOW (and that isn't HER) - can win in November.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:52 AM
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68. This isn't anything new. This is regular old politics, so Obama should have
expected it, even if his supporters didn't.

And hopefully there could still be an advantage to him, if the media gets bored with some of these controversies before the general campaign begins. McCain will have less ability to milk this Wright thing, for instance, if it's considered "old news." But someone's got to shut Wright up.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:55 AM
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69. It IS new. I've been watching US politics for 30+ years and I have NEVER seen a Dem do this..
Edited on Sun May-04-08 12:57 AM by Triana
...to another Dem.

EVER.

It's below despicable.

EDIT: And it is JUST EXACTLY the type of politics we need to GET AWAY FROM in this country if we're EVER going to get beyond it and FINALLY SOLVE our problems and be respected in the world.

IF THAT KIND OF POLITICS WORKS - well HOW has it been working out then? NOT very well - obviously.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:42 AM
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71. If you've been watching that long, then you'll remember Robert Kennedy,
the "ruthless" Kennedy brother. Jack Kennedy availed himself of his brother's talents.

Lyndon Baines Johnson twisted quite a few arms on his way up.

You're right that Jimmy Carter was not cut from the typical politician's mold.

Which brings us to the Clintons.

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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:21 AM
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65. HRC is so sad and ugly, I can not wait for it to end with Obama as our nominee
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:22 AM
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67. .
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:54 AM
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73. K&R...Dirty n/t
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:10 AM
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74. Yeah I so remember when her campaign threatened Janet Napolitano
with a challenged and appealed to her by saying she didn't want to be the person who prevented the first woman president from being elected. No wait, that isn't what happened. It was Emmanuel Cleaver and Obama's campaign and it was the first black president. Holy hypocrisy is all I have to say.
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:35 PM
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94. I remember that...
tell me, what kinds of extortion and coercion did Mr. Cleaver threaten besides a guilt trip? I don't believe there was any.
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rodrigo2xxx Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:40 AM
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75. CLINTONS = REPUBLICANS = UNETHICAL
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:54 AM
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77. It's pretty simple
Either we get more of the same, or we bring in someone who will actually change the shit that's been going on in Washington for too many years. My vote for Obama was the easiest I've made in many, many years.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:58 AM
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78. Great... With Clinton\Bayh, We'd Get Scum At The Top AND Bottom Of The Ticket !!!
:puke:

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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:06 AM
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80. CLINTON WILL NEVER GET MY VOTE...ever. She is political scum and a Repuke at heart. n/t
J
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:30 PM
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102. I'd even vote for a "noodle" before I vote for her!!
:Hi:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:16 AM
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82. After Hillary loses
the party nomination, I hope she loses her NY Senate seat. She brings nothing to the table, but negativity and polarization. It is politicians like her that are doing great damage to our country.

(posted by Mrs. Ph-Dem)
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:30 AM
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83. If there is even a suspicion
that she gets the nomination (assuming she does) through underhanded wheeling and dealing, it will be the death of the party -- at least for the foreseeable future.

Most of the die-hard Hillary supporters will be dead or too demented to vote in 2012, and the Democrats will have turned off millions of young voters.

Studies have shown that about 80-90 percent of people stick with the party they first vote for.

If the Dems want to eat their young, they do so at their own peril.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:09 PM
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91. ROFL ! "dead or demented".. I had thought about this sad fact awhile
back. Stranger than fiction, but tis true !
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:34 AM
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84. Just a thought, but if Senator Clinton is aware that she is losing
Edited on Sun May-04-08 10:36 AM by Old Crusoe
specific voting groups in significant percentages to Senator Obama, such as independents and grassroots progressives, why does her campaign not focus more on these groups to win a larger percentage of their support, thus depriving her opponent of his obvious edge in those groups?

One possibility for this demur withdrawal is that she does not want the support with those group and does not wish alignment with their core issues, because an HClinton administration does not plan to address those issues in a meaningful way.

That's not a personal slam on Hillary Clinton but one progressive's view of why Obama, and not Clinton, is the far more attractive candidate -- the suspicion that she is not a grassroots-up candidate but a corporation-down candidate.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:10 PM
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92. That's an interesting take, OC. I had presumed it was because she
knew she could not GET the support of those groups and was sticking with her core demographic, but good thought there !
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:33 PM
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103. Oh I think it is plain that the Clintons are Corporation Down kinda people
It wasn't possible to realize this when they were in office because the internet's impact had not yet exploded.

But now that we are able to see and hear everything that a candidate does - for instance recently Hillary was meeting with a group that "sounds" like a bunch of rural folks intent on providing healthy veggies to America, but it turns out the group is actually a Monsanto step child - well, that shows Hillary's true colors.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:07 AM
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85. Threatening and forcing local officials to jump on to a sinking ship. Very classy.
:puke:
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:59 AM
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86. Negativity hasn't worked for them so far
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ROh70 Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:29 PM
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89. Strong-arming tactics
Edited on Sun May-04-08 03:30 PM by ROh70
Strong-arming tactics may have worked when LBJ used them, because the strong-arming didn't really reach the light of day.

But, in today's global media world, it's really hard to keep anything a secret in politics. Again, this is the Clinton campaign failing to realize that politics in the youtube era are a whole different ballgame.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:37 PM
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90. Clinton/Bayh 2008! Now that's DLC's Al From's "Dream Ticket." Remember From's 10/05 appearance on
C-Span's Washington Journal touting, "Our candidates, Clinton, Vilsack, Warner and Bayh." This would indeed be Al From's "Dream Ticket" for the DLC.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:22 PM
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93. And they wonder why AMERICA WANTS CHANGE...
:kick:

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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:12 PM
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96. K/R
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:42 PM
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98. Wow! somebody got a candid photo of Hillary wearing her witches hat.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:51 PM
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99. I can't stand seeing/hearing Hillary almost as much as seeing Bush...
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