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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:49 PM
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The Problem Is...
Edited on Sat May-03-08 12:50 PM by indimuse
You Don't Know How To Speak Obamanese!

What ever Obama and his Campaign say...The opposite is TRUE!



THE TRUTH VS. BARACK OBAMA
::: LINK TO SOURCES::: ::>> ((( http://savagepolitics.com/ )))
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CHARGE 1 – “The March on Selma got me born.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama was born August 4th, 1961. The march on Selma began March 7th, 1965. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM – Senator Obama was talking about the general movement, not specifically about Selma.

REBUTTTAL – Senator Obama was in Selma, Alabama, before a mostly AA crowd at the Brown Chapel AME Church on March 4th, 2007. He clearly stated “because some folks were willing to march across a bridge . . . they (his parents) got together, and Barack Obama, Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama!” Barack Hussein Obama was born on August 4, 1961. The first march on Selma, Alabama occurred on March 7, 1965.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 5 - “President Kennedy rescued my father from Kenyan obscurity and airlifted him to the American Dream.”

EVIDENCE – Senator Obama’s father came in September 1960, while EISENHOWER was President. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM – But his father did come to the U.S. so what is the big deal?

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama misrepresents historical events. No speech by President John F. Kennedy brought Senator Obama’s father to the U.S. in 1960. John F. Kennedy was not President in 1960, Dwight D. Eisenhower was President. The Senator is attempting to subtly equate himself with J.F.K., subconsciously implying he would be a similar President. Senator Obama, you are no Jack Kennedy.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 19 - “I do not vote ‘Present’ any more than any other IL Representative.”

EVIDENCE – While ‘Present’ votes may not be unusual in Illinois, the number of ‘Present’ votes that Senator Obama placed ARE disproportionate. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, NY Times 12/20/07 by Raymond Hernandez and Christopher Drew

COUNTER CLAIM – ‘Present’ votes are used to block portions of undesirable legislation and is a common tactic in Illinois.

REBUTTAL – The issue at hand is not the purpose of the ‘Present’ votes but rather their frequency. 129 ‘Present’ votes is not a common number for any Representative in the Illinois State House, other than Senator Obama.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 21 - “I barely know William Ayers” – A.K.A. – Abu Zayd

EVIDENCE – Senator Obama announced the start of his Senate campaign from the front steps of William Ayers’ home, in the neighborhood that they share. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM – Just because Senator Obama lives in the same neighborhood with Ayers doesn’t prove they knew each other well.

REBUTTAL – William Ayers (or Abu-Zayd), Louis Farrakhan, and Senator Obama all live in the same neighborhood. Ayers is the founder of the Woods Fund, of which Senator Obama was it’s director from 1999 to 2002. Perhaps one might ask oneself; who chooses the director of the Wood Fund? Perhaps its founder? Secondly, if Senator Obama announced his campaign run in Illinois from Ayers’s home, did he not ask Ayers’ permission first? If the Senator did not know Abu-Zayd Ayers well, then how did he come to choose Ayers’ front steps to announce his campaign? Random chance?

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 22 - “I support a 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.”

EVIDENCE - We enter into evidence a few of Senator Obama’s quotes and votes on gun control: “Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions.” (Jul 1998), “Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.” (Jul 2005). SOURCE 1, Source 2: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007, Source 3: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998, Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005

COUNTER CLAIM – Senator Obama just wants to prevent criminals for finding and using guns.

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama’s policy on guns seems to change specifically in regards to the audience he is addressing. There are many quotes from the Senator in which he suggests an all out ban on handguns. Bare in mind that these bans PRIMARILY affect LEGAL gun ownership.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 28 - “I have the solutions to repair our economy.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama voted against his own economic proposal package. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM - Washington is in a stalemate. Senator Obama has fresh ideas.

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama’s 111 economic proposals were just combined into an amendment to a bill, and the amendment was defeated 97-0. Senator Obama rejected his own proposals; apparently, they were not the solutions or ‘fresh ideas’ he was speaking about.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 30 - “I barely know Tony Rezko. I did about 5 hours of billed work for him.”

EVIDENCE – Senator Obama has known Antoin Rezko for 17 years. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama meets many people. He is a Senator.

REBUTTAL – Antoin Rezko first spoke with Senator Obama in 1990. Senator Obama worked at the Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland Law firm, specializing in legal issues involving land development. It is in this area of law that the Senator came in contact with Rezko and his company, Rezmar Corp. Senator Obama left the law firm for the State Legislature, while one of the firm’s founders, Mr. Allison Davis, left his firm to form a new development company, New Kenwood LLC – with none other than Mr. Antoin Rezko. Once in the State Legislature, and still performing periodic work for his old law firm (now Miner, Barnhill, & Galland), Senator Obama used his elected position to provide legitimacy to his friend’s new venture. He crafted a letter to the legislature that ultimately secured $855,000 in ‘development fees’ for his pals, Rezko and Davis. Mr. Rezko went on to be quite a staunch campaign donor for the Senator, raising at least $250,000 for Senator Obama while in Illinois.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 32 - “I don’t have ‘bundlers’ and I don’t take PAC money.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama has 79 bundlers and has collected over $13,000,000 in lobbyist PAC money. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has been careful not to compromise himself, “rejecting campaign support from Political Action Committees and lobbyists.”

REBUTTAL – Here is a starter list of Senator Obama’s registered lobbyists:

Timothy Broas $100,000, Frank Clark $200,000, Howard Gutman $200,000, Scott Harris (DC) $200,000, Allan Katz $200,000, William Lake (DC) $50,000, Robert S. Litt $not given, Kenneth Lore (DC) $50,000, Thomas Perrelli $200,000, Thomas Reed $200,000, Paul Roth $50,000, Alan Solomont $100,000, Robert M. Sussman (DC) $50,000, Tom Wheeler (DC) $100,000. $1,700,000 dollars from these registered lobbyists, or four times more than Obama’s officially declared lobbyist sum. To date there are at least 38 such individual lobbyists donating to Senator Obama’s campaign. PS – Having the wives of these individuals write the checks does not alter where the money came from.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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* * *
CHARGE 33 - “I don’t take money from lobbyists.”

EVIDENCE - At least 38 Individuals on Senator Obama’s campaign are or work for lobbyists. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM – Most of the individuals you site are lawyers, not lobbyists.

REBUTTAL – Most of the lawyers that make up this list work for firms that lobby the Government. 31 of them manage registered lobbyists. You may parse the definitions – these lawyers and/or their firms lobby the government and donate to Senator Obama’s campaign. Either way, he takes money from lobbyists.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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* * *
CHARGE 35 - “I have clean connections, unlike my opponents and most of Washington.”

EVIDENCE - Rezko, William Ayers (Abu-Zayd), Nadmi Auchi, Rashid Khalidi, Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks, Louis Farrakhan. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5, SOURCE 6, SOURCE 7

COUNTER CLAIM - Guilt by association is not fair.

REBUTTAL – Associations one chooses to initiate and/or maintain speaks to one’s character and judgment. For instance, Antoin Rezko – who is currently on trial for Corruption. Senator Obama has received a quarter of a million dollars from this individual, and has had to return it in ever increasing amounts, as the Senator was caught not truthfully disclosing the amount donated. Senator Obama also decided to participate in a real estate deal with Mr. Rezko during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, The Senator made a deal to purchase a home, by dividing the property with the Rezko family. The property in question was divided, lot VS. House, because it was out of The Senator’s price range. And so was the down payment. Perhaps this is where Auchi comes in? Only the trial of Rezko can tell us. Continuing, once it was determined that the Senator could not afford the property, $300K was promptly removed from the asking price (in 2005, before mortgage problems drove down home prices). Rezko’s wife stepped in to buy the lot the Senator couldn’t afford, saving him $625,000. Another associate of Senator Obama’s is the founder of the Woods Fund, for which the Senator was its Director for 4 years, William (Abu-Zayd) Ayers. Abu-Zayd, or William Ayers as he was known then, was an American Terrorist who attempted to bomb the Pentagon. Next on our list would be Nadmi Auchi – Iraqi Billionaire swindler who helped himself to money from the Food Or Oil program and may have assisted the Senator is securing the money to put down on his Chicago mansion. Next we have Rashid Khalidi – former PLO spokesman and supporter of terrorism against Israel. Next we have the infamous Jeremiah Wright and James Meeks – rabid racists, anti-American preachers/community leaders, both have an affinity or a direct connection to the Nation of Islam. Speaking of the Nation of Islam, we next have Louis Farrakhan – renowned racist, anti-American, voracious Anti-Semite and homophobe – leader of the Nation of Islam. One would like to ask Senator Obama which of these individuals are the ‘clean’ ones?

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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* * *

CHARGE 38 - “I sponsored dozens of my own bills in one year and passed them in the Illinois State Senate.”

EVIDENCE - State Senator Ricky Hendon ‘appointed’ Obama as sponsor of Hendon’s high-profile legislation. Not one of those Bills was truly sponsored by Senator Obama. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - But Senator Obama did sponsor and pass the bills.

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama was ‘appointed’ the sponsor of bills originated and crafted by Senator Hendon. Senator Obama attached his signature to the bill, thus conspicuously taking credit for it’s sponsorship and passage. Additionally Emil Jones had to direct Senator Obama to craft certain legislation. It was not spontaneously created by Senator Obama.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

* * *

* * *
CHARGE 39 - “I believe in fairness, not tactics, to win elections.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama hired a team of investigators to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against him. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Some of the signatures for Alice Palmer were forged.

REBUTTAL – 4 of the signatures were found to be forgeries. Senator Obama used investigators and little known political tactics to eliminate his opposition. He then went on to run uncontested.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
* * *

* * *
CHARGE 49 - “I have sponsored and passed plenty of Bills in the U.S. Senate. I have experience.”

EVIDENCE - You have passed 2 BILLs in the U.S. Senate – one for Africa and one that makes lobbyists stand while they eat. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has sponsored 123 Bills in the US Senate.

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama has one of the worst records for getting bills passed that he has sponsored in the US Senate. That sounds like experience most of us wouldn’t want. The Senator has sponsored and passed 2 Bills in the US Senate - one for the Congo (shock and awe?) and one that makes lobbyists stand when they eat. Impressive work for 4 years on the job.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
* * *

* * *
CHARGE 60 - “I never heard sermons at Trinity like those being played on Youtube and by the mainstream media.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama said: “Did I ever hear him (Rev. Wright) make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.” SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama said he disagreed with what Reverend Wright said, what more do you want him to say?

REBUTTAL – Not only did Senator Obama agree with Rev. Wright, 14 months earlier about having to distance himself from the church, (and Rev. Wright himself), Senator Obama said he had never heard sermons that contained anything like what the mainstream media and Youtube were playing ‘on every station’. 3 days later, in his own speech, he stated ““Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.” ‘What more do we want him to say?’ We think ‘I Lied.’ would be sufficient.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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* * *
CHARGE 66 - “My campaign donations are from millions of average people {bitter, typical white people too?}. We are winning in a new way, without corporate influence, or special interests.”

EVIDENCE - The implication is that special interests, corporations, banks, and industry donations are not accepted. Nothing could be further from the truth. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has millions of donors who have given less than $100.

REBUTTAL – True, Senator Obama does have many donors that have given less then $100. Senator Obama also allows the false impression that he does not take PAC or lobbyist money, money from Big Oil, Big Banking, Big Industry, or Corporate America. Here is a very small rundown of just how much money these special interest, corporate giants have been donating to Senator Obama’s ‘Grass Roots’ campaign: Top Contributors: 1 Kirkland & Ellis $143,138, 2 University of Chicago $139,554, 3 Sidley Austin LLP $100,932,4 Henry Crown & Co $79,500, 5 Sonnenschein, Nath & Rosenthal $74,950, 6 Exelon Corp $71,850, 7 Northwestern University $70,430, 8 Mayer, Brown et al $69,960, 9 Jenner & Block $62,710, 10 Soros Fund Management $61,605, 11 Goldman Sachs $61,500, 12 Clifford Law Offices $59,550, 13 Simmons Cooper LLC $58,500, 14 Tejas Securities $57,250, 15 JP Morgan Chase & Co $56,600, 16 Ariel Capital Management $55,650, 17 Skadden, Arps et al $54,071, 18 Winston & Strawn $52,450, 19 Piper Rudnick LLP $45,600, 20 Holland Capital Management $43,350. The top industries supporting Barack Obama are: 1 Lawyers/Law Firms $2,464,360, 2 Securities & Investment $1,117,132, 3 Retired $857,601, 4 Real Estate $620,760, 5 Education $542,966, 6 Business Services $509,266, 7 Misc Finance $415,498, 8 Health Professionals $363,713, 9 TV/Movies/Music $299,233, 10 Commercial Banks $282,553, 11 Printing & Publishing $186,293, 12 Insurance $183,132, 13 Non-Profit Institutions $175,720, 14 Misc Business $150,991, 15 Hospitals/Nursing Homes $146,175, 16 Civil Servants/Public Officials $144,069, 17 Lobbyists $127,800, 18 Computers/Internet $125,333, 19 Construction Services $119,910, 20 Electric Utilities $102,700

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
* * *

This is merely the framework of the portrait; there is more to the image on the canvas then first meets the eye. It’s details await examination. ‘Inside’ you will find magazine articles that never existed, Not-So-Universal healthcare, bill-jacked legislation, the promise not to run for office in 2008, ‘Present’ votes, ‘Oops’ votes, Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Meeks, Farrakhan, Khalidi, Auchi, Palmer, Michigan, Florida, Guns, Exelon, Lobbyists, PAC Bundlers, Big Oil, SubPrime, Passports, NAFTA, FARC, Altgeld, Caucuses and Classmates, Trinity and Terrorism, Bitter, Typical White People, Flag Pins and Anthems, Investment Conflicts and Un-proud, Overpaid Wives. For starters.

Follow the link - and down the rabbit hole you go . . .

THE TRUTH VS. BARACK OBAMA: FULL EDITION

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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:50 PM
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1. Fail.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:51 PM
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4. NO! you FAIL, with your Fail!
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:41 PM
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25. I will second that fail
and raise ya'll a

sniper fire x 5

nafta scamming

gas tax holiday pandering

Magnequench

missing the boat on Bin Laden in 96

WTI Ohio

Right Wing Pandering

war vote.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:52 PM
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42. huh?
So there must be nothing wrong with Obama because there are things wrong with Clinton? Not following your logic there.

Also, I didn't realize that Bill Clinton was running again. Is that even Constitutional?

Don't you think that these sort of rebuttals make your candidate and your support for your candidate look awfully weak rather than having the effect (presumably) that you intend them to have?
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:50 AM
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52. Oh please! Blow NAFTA out yer OBama's finance guy's arse while giving Canada the wink-wink
cry yer right wing pandering to Harry and Louise, you hypocrite.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:45 PM
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33. Lmao...is this the new "Let it Sink." Your post is "Epic Failure.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:19 AM
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56. Reactive shrieking.
The poster did not READ the OP .
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:12 PM
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43. You're absolutely correct. Senator Obama fails the integrity test abysmally n/t
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:15 AM
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54. not very good at practicing what he preaches.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:18 AM
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55. Knee jerk response to something you did not read
I call that reactive shrieking.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:51 PM
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2. The GOP will keep repeating this too and other stuff
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:53 PM
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6. There is so much more!
I'm working on Obama Caucus Bullying, hope to finish soon! You will not believe!
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:51 PM
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3. DU seriously needs an option to Derecommend something
I mean...wow, just wow.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:54 PM
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8. Yeah! =That's what THINKING FOLKS are saying...
ALL THESE LIES!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:53 PM
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5. ........

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swishyfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:54 PM
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7. Simply garbage
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:55 PM
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9. Of course you wouldn't care!
..
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:55 PM
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10. She's done...get the net!
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:07 PM
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11. God! So much work...and the" sources" don't link! Very confusing...
Then I noticed it was a cut and paste job from something called savagepolitics.com Can you please do an original thought or two next time?
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:27 PM
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17. Thanks for pointing that out.
I looked up the original article and checked out the 'evidence' source links.
7 are from the fucktards at Freerepublic.
There are also links to such sites as little green footballs, Newsbusters, Faux Newz, et al.
And they wonder why we call them Hillbots.


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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:37 PM
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22. Geez! You're a braver man than I, Snarko! Going to all those place
in one trip!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:09 PM
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12. Nice smear, Malkin!
Fail!

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:43 PM
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31. Fock!! That's a great one, VolcanoJen!
:rofl: :rofl:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:58 PM
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38. Ha!!!
:rofl:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:21 AM
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57. Where is it inaccurate?
exactly?
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:56 PM
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68. waht?

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Austinitis Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:11 PM
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13. Awesome. He's on the run. We can use stuff like this to tear him down.
Keep up the good work. K&R.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:11 PM
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14. K & R for later Threre is a lot here
I have to laugh because the BOBots decided you failed within one minute of posting time

They don't read they just Hope:rofl:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:55 PM
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67. Imagine that!
I have more! I'm working on Obama's caucus STEALING! HUGE!
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:20 PM
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15. They missed one.
The sky was "blue". Wrong! The sky was blue AND white! Some white puffy clouds were in the sky that day.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:25 PM
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16. k/r
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:33 PM
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18. But has he ever faced sniper fire? That's the question we need answered. nt
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:33 PM
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19. WELCOME BACK - Maybe the caps lock could be used a little less.
Edited on Sat May-03-08 01:34 PM by cliffordu
Also, when you cut and paste all this shit you REALLY have to look at how the spacing and the numbers line up, it's very difficult to read in many spots.

Also - spell check is your friend. I thought you'd like to be reminded.

The form it takes is pretty juvenile, too.

CHARGE:

EVIDENCE

REBUTTAL

Is it nice to pretend you're in court? do you get excited thinking you're assaulting a Constitutional scholar??


All the 'content?' Well, that crap looks like it was written by an 8th grader with a hard on for Hillary.


So: I'll give your latest little exercise here a


FAIL


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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:36 PM
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21. Got facts?
I thought not.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:40 PM
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24. You can't be serious? The OP is a mess of nonsensical information:
Edited on Sat May-03-08 01:41 PM by ProSense
"My campaign donations are from millions of average people {bitter, typical white people too?}."

You approve of idiocy?

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:58 PM
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70. O.K.....NOT!

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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:35 PM
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20. You need to take a long, long break...
Get away from DU - go take a walk, play with your kids, just get the hell out of here. You're showing your true colors.

F A I L.

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:41 PM
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26. I like this one LOT!!!
:rofl: :rofl:

What is it about a perfect "fail" photo that makes me so happy??

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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:39 PM
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23. Excellent! Next time someone calls Hillary a liar they need to read this post
Better yet, your post needs to be saved, copied and pasted whenever the time calls for it. :thumbsup:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:41 PM
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27. Low standards, huh? n/t
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:44 PM
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32. Cut and paste a cut and paste? Sure, sounds like fun...
...that way, nobody has to do any actual thinking. Brilliant!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:46 PM
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35. Tell ya what. I'll memorize it all just for you and then post it to ya from memory
Here, let me know if I forgot anything:

CHARGE 1 – “The March on Selma got me born.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama was born August 4th, 1961. The march on Selma began March 7th, 1965. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM – Senator Obama was talking about the general movement, not specifically about Selma.

REBUTTTAL – Senator Obama was in Selma, Alabama, before a mostly AA crowd at the Brown Chapel AME Church on March 4th, 2007. He clearly stated “because some folks were willing to march across a bridge . . . they (his parents) got together, and Barack Obama, Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama!” Barack Hussein Obama was born on August 4, 1961. The first march on Selma, Alabama occurred on March 7, 1965.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 5 - “President Kennedy rescued my father from Kenyan obscurity and airlifted him to the American Dream.”

EVIDENCE – Senator Obama’s father came in September 1960, while EISENHOWER was President. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM – But his father did come to the U.S. so what is the big deal?

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama misrepresents historical events. No speech by President John F. Kennedy brought Senator Obama’s father to the U.S. in 1960. John F. Kennedy was not President in 1960, Dwight D. Eisenhower was President. The Senator is attempting to subtly equate himself with J.F.K., subconsciously implying he would be a similar President. Senator Obama, you are no Jack Kennedy.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 19 - “I do not vote ‘Present’ any more than any other IL Representative.”

EVIDENCE – While ‘Present’ votes may not be unusual in Illinois, the number of ‘Present’ votes that Senator Obama placed ARE disproportionate. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, NY Times 12/20/07 by Raymond Hernandez and Christopher Drew

COUNTER CLAIM – ‘Present’ votes are used to block portions of undesirable legislation and is a common tactic in Illinois.

REBUTTAL – The issue at hand is not the purpose of the ‘Present’ votes but rather their frequency. 129 ‘Present’ votes is not a common number for any Representative in the Illinois State House, other than Senator Obama.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 21 - “I barely know William Ayers” – A.K.A. – Abu Zayd

EVIDENCE – Senator Obama announced the start of his Senate campaign from the front steps of William Ayers’ home, in the neighborhood that they share. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM – Just because Senator Obama lives in the same neighborhood with Ayers doesn’t prove they knew each other well.

REBUTTAL – William Ayers (or Abu-Zayd), Louis Farrakhan, and Senator Obama all live in the same neighborhood. Ayers is the founder of the Woods Fund, of which Senator Obama was it’s director from 1999 to 2002. Perhaps one might ask oneself; who chooses the director of the Wood Fund? Perhaps its founder? Secondly, if Senator Obama announced his campaign run in Illinois from Ayers’s home, did he not ask Ayers’ permission first? If the Senator did not know Abu-Zayd Ayers well, then how did he come to choose Ayers’ front steps to announce his campaign? Random chance?

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 22 - “I support a 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.”

EVIDENCE - We enter into evidence a few of Senator Obama’s quotes and votes on gun control: “Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions.” (Jul 1998), “Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.” (Jul 2005). SOURCE 1, Source 2: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007, Source 3: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998, Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005

COUNTER CLAIM – Senator Obama just wants to prevent criminals for finding and using guns.

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama’s policy on guns seems to change specifically in regards to the audience he is addressing. There are many quotes from the Senator in which he suggests an all out ban on handguns. Bare in mind that these bans PRIMARILY affect LEGAL gun ownership.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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* * *
CHARGE 28 - “I have the solutions to repair our economy.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama voted against his own economic proposal package. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM - Washington is in a stalemate. Senator Obama has fresh ideas.

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama’s 111 economic proposals were just combined into an amendment to a bill, and the amendment was defeated 97-0. Senator Obama rejected his own proposals; apparently, they were not the solutions or ‘fresh ideas’ he was speaking about.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 30 - “I barely know Tony Rezko. I did about 5 hours of billed work for him.”

EVIDENCE – Senator Obama has known Antoin Rezko for 17 years. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama meets many people. He is a Senator.

REBUTTAL – Antoin Rezko first spoke with Senator Obama in 1990. Senator Obama worked at the Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland Law firm, specializing in legal issues involving land development. It is in this area of law that the Senator came in contact with Rezko and his company, Rezmar Corp. Senator Obama left the law firm for the State Legislature, while one of the firm’s founders, Mr. Allison Davis, left his firm to form a new development company, New Kenwood LLC – with none other than Mr. Antoin Rezko. Once in the State Legislature, and still performing periodic work for his old law firm (now Miner, Barnhill, & Galland), Senator Obama used his elected position to provide legitimacy to his friend’s new venture. He crafted a letter to the legislature that ultimately secured $855,000 in ‘development fees’ for his pals, Rezko and Davis. Mr. Rezko went on to be quite a staunch campaign donor for the Senator, raising at least $250,000 for Senator Obama while in Illinois.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 32 - “I don’t have ‘bundlers’ and I don’t take PAC money.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama has 79 bundlers and has collected over $13,000,000 in lobbyist PAC money. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has been careful not to compromise himself, “rejecting campaign support from Political Action Committees and lobbyists.”

REBUTTAL – Here is a starter list of Senator Obama’s registered lobbyists:

Timothy Broas $100,000, Frank Clark $200,000, Howard Gutman $200,000, Scott Harris (DC) $200,000, Allan Katz $200,000, William Lake (DC) $50,000, Robert S. Litt $not given, Kenneth Lore (DC) $50,000, Thomas Perrelli $200,000, Thomas Reed $200,000, Paul Roth $50,000, Alan Solomont $100,000, Robert M. Sussman (DC) $50,000, Tom Wheeler (DC) $100,000. $1,700,000 dollars from these registered lobbyists, or four times more than Obama’s officially declared lobbyist sum. To date there are at least 38 such individual lobbyists donating to Senator Obama’s campaign. PS – Having the wives of these individuals write the checks does not alter where the money came from.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 33 - “I don’t take money from lobbyists.”

EVIDENCE - At least 38 Individuals on Senator Obama’s campaign are or work for lobbyists. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM – Most of the individuals you site are lawyers, not lobbyists.

REBUTTAL – Most of the lawyers that make up this list work for firms that lobby the Government. 31 of them manage registered lobbyists. You may parse the definitions – these lawyers and/or their firms lobby the government and donate to Senator Obama’s campaign. Either way, he takes money from lobbyists.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 35 - “I have clean connections, unlike my opponents and most of Washington.”

EVIDENCE - Rezko, William Ayers (Abu-Zayd), Nadmi Auchi, Rashid Khalidi, Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks, Louis Farrakhan. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5, SOURCE 6, SOURCE 7

COUNTER CLAIM - Guilt by association is not fair.

REBUTTAL – Associations one chooses to initiate and/or maintain speaks to one’s character and judgment. For instance, Antoin Rezko – who is currently on trial for Corruption. Senator Obama has received a quarter of a million dollars from this individual, and has had to return it in ever increasing amounts, as the Senator was caught not truthfully disclosing the amount donated. Senator Obama also decided to participate in a real estate deal with Mr. Rezko during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, The Senator made a deal to purchase a home, by dividing the property with the Rezko family. The property in question was divided, lot VS. House, because it was out of The Senator’s price range. And so was the down payment. Perhaps this is where Auchi comes in? Only the trial of Rezko can tell us. Continuing, once it was determined that the Senator could not afford the property, $300K was promptly removed from the asking price (in 2005, before mortgage problems drove down home prices). Rezko’s wife stepped in to buy the lot the Senator couldn’t afford, saving him $625,000. Another associate of Senator Obama’s is the founder of the Woods Fund, for which the Senator was its Director for 4 years, William (Abu-Zayd) Ayers. Abu-Zayd, or William Ayers as he was known then, was an American Terrorist who attempted to bomb the Pentagon. Next on our list would be Nadmi Auchi – Iraqi Billionaire swindler who helped himself to money from the Food Or Oil program and may have assisted the Senator is securing the money to put down on his Chicago mansion. Next we have Rashid Khalidi – former PLO spokesman and supporter of terrorism against Israel. Next we have the infamous Jeremiah Wright and James Meeks – rabid racists, anti-American preachers/community leaders, both have an affinity or a direct connection to the Nation of Islam. Speaking of the Nation of Islam, we next have Louis Farrakhan – renowned racist, anti-American, voracious Anti-Semite and homophobe – leader of the Nation of Islam. One would like to ask Senator Obama which of these individuals are the ‘clean’ ones?

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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* * *

CHARGE 38 - “I sponsored dozens of my own bills in one year and passed them in the Illinois State Senate.”

EVIDENCE - State Senator Ricky Hendon ‘appointed’ Obama as sponsor of Hendon’s high-profile legislation. Not one of those Bills was truly sponsored by Senator Obama. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - But Senator Obama did sponsor and pass the bills.

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama was ‘appointed’ the sponsor of bills originated and crafted by Senator Hendon. Senator Obama attached his signature to the bill, thus conspicuously taking credit for it’s sponsorship and passage. Additionally Emil Jones had to direct Senator Obama to craft certain legislation. It was not spontaneously created by Senator Obama.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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* * *
CHARGE 39 - “I believe in fairness, not tactics, to win elections.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama hired a team of investigators to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against him. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Some of the signatures for Alice Palmer were forged.

REBUTTAL – 4 of the signatures were found to be forgeries. Senator Obama used investigators and little known political tactics to eliminate his opposition. He then went on to run uncontested.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 49 - “I have sponsored and passed plenty of Bills in the U.S. Senate. I have experience.”

EVIDENCE - You have passed 2 BILLs in the U.S. Senate – one for Africa and one that makes lobbyists stand while they eat. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has sponsored 123 Bills in the US Senate.

REBUTTAL – Senator Obama has one of the worst records for getting bills passed that he has sponsored in the US Senate. That sounds like experience most of us wouldn’t want. The Senator has sponsored and passed 2 Bills in the US Senate - one for the Congo (shock and awe?) and one that makes lobbyists stand when they eat. Impressive work for 4 years on the job.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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* * *
CHARGE 60 - “I never heard sermons at Trinity like those being played on Youtube and by the mainstream media.”

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama said: “Did I ever hear him (Rev. Wright) make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.” SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama said he disagreed with what Reverend Wright said, what more do you want him to say?

REBUTTAL – Not only did Senator Obama agree with Rev. Wright, 14 months earlier about having to distance himself from the church, (and Rev. Wright himself), Senator Obama said he had never heard sermons that contained anything like what the mainstream media and Youtube were playing ‘on every station’. 3 days later, in his own speech, he stated ““Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.” ‘What more do we want him to say?’ We think ‘I Lied.’ would be sufficient.

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 66 - “My campaign donations are from millions of average people {bitter, typical white people too?}. We are winning in a new way, without corporate influence, or special interests.”

EVIDENCE - The implication is that special interests, corporations, banks, and industry donations are not accepted. Nothing could be further from the truth. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has millions of donors who have given less than $100.

REBUTTAL – True, Senator Obama does have many donors that have given less then $100. Senator Obama also allows the false impression that he does not take PAC or lobbyist money, money from Big Oil, Big Banking, Big Industry, or Corporate America. Here is a very small rundown of just how much money these special interest, corporate giants have been donating to Senator Obama’s ‘Grass Roots’ campaign: Top Contributors: 1 Kirkland & Ellis $143,138, 2 University of Chicago $139,554, 3 Sidley Austin LLP $100,932,4 Henry Crown & Co $79,500, 5 Sonnenschein, Nath & Rosenthal $74,950, 6 Exelon Corp $71,850, 7 Northwestern University $70,430, 8 Mayer, Brown et al $69,960, 9 Jenner & Block $62,710, 10 Soros Fund Management $61,605, 11 Goldman Sachs $61,500, 12 Clifford Law Offices $59,550, 13 Simmons Cooper LLC $58,500, 14 Tejas Securities $57,250, 15 JP Morgan Chase & Co $56,600, 16 Ariel Capital Management $55,650, 17 Skadden, Arps et al $54,071, 18 Winston & Strawn $52,450, 19 Piper Rudnick LLP $45,600, 20 Holland Capital Management $43,350. The top industries supporting Barack Obama are: 1 Lawyers/Law Firms $2,464,360, 2 Securities & Investment $1,117,132, 3 Retired $857,601, 4 Real Estate $620,760, 5 Education $542,966, 6 Business Services $509,266, 7 Misc Finance $415,498, 8 Health Professionals $363,713, 9 TV/Movies/Music $299,233, 10 Commercial Banks $282,553, 11 Printing & Publishing $186,293, 12 Insurance $183,132, 13 Non-Profit Institutions $175,720, 14 Misc Business $150,991, 15 Hospitals/Nursing Homes $146,175, 16 Civil Servants/Public Officials $144,069, 17 Lobbyists $127,800, 18 Computers/Internet $125,333, 19 Construction Services $119,910, 20 Electric Utilities $102,700

VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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This is merely the framework of the portrait; there is more to the image on the canvas then first meets the eye. It’s details await examination. ‘Inside’ you will find magazine articles that never existed, Not-So-Universal healthcare, bill-jacked legislation, the promise not to run for office in 2008, ‘Present’ votes, ‘Oops’ votes, Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Meeks, Farrakhan, Khalidi, Auchi, Palmer, Michigan, Florida, Guns, Exelon, Lobbyists, PAC Bundlers, Big Oil, SubPrime, Passports, NAFTA, FARC, Altgeld, Caucuses and Classmates, Trinity and Terrorism, Bitter, Typical White People, Flag Pins and Anthems, Investment Conflicts and Un-proud, Overpaid Wives. For starters.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:54 PM
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37. God! You were't kidding! You really did save, cut and pasted...
...and used when needed like you said you would! You were serious about that! I am very impressed. Linkless sources and everything! You did miss the really, really big lettering at the top, but all in all a masterful job. With such dilligent Hill supporters like yourself, the Obama campaign is doomed...DOOMED, I tell yea!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:33 PM
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41. No I didn't. I memorized it all and re-typed it
:hi:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:01 PM
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74. done!
Hi mtnsnake! :)
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:42 PM
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28. K&R, Error, already recommended this thread.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:43 PM
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29. Thank you. I often wonder how people can claim they hate Clinton
because she is a liar, and then support Obama.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:56 PM
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63. Just irrational and emotion driven swoon and shriek.
.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:59 PM
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71. there is more...
your welcome :)

Hillary is the Answer.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:43 PM
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30. I'll give it a D
Normally, I'd say it was an F, for poor presentation, bad sources and general dumbness. Most of the "evidence" is either bogus or irrelevant.

But I upped it to a D because I do have some concerns about the difference between Obama's claims about being free from lobbyists and special inetrests and the ties that he has had....Not a deal killer, because he isn;t any more in bed with them than most politicians. But the gap between his rhetoric is at least worth talking about.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:46 PM
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34. Great site you linked to there
#
Friends

* Expose Obama
* HILLARY IS 44
* MICHAEL JOHNS
* POLITICAL BUZZ
* POLITICAL WIRE
* REZKO WATCH
* The AUDACITY OF HYPOCRISY
* THE CAUCUS by The NYT
* THE MODERATE VOICE
* TOM BURKA
* YOU DECIDE 2008

#
MUST READ OFF-SITE SOURCES

* HILLARY’S VOTING RECORD
* LARRY SINCLAIR’S OFFICIAL BLOG
* MCCAIN’S VOTING RECORD
* OBAMA AND HOW THE DREAM FAILED IN MASSACHUSSETTS
* OBAMA AND SPECIAL INTERESTS
* OBAMA AND SPECIAL INTERESTS PART 2
* OBAMA’S VOTING RECORD
* OBAMA’S VOTING RECORD PART 2
* OBAMA’S VOTING RECORD PART 3
* REPUBLICANS IN LOVE WITH OBAMA
* TONY REZKO AND OBAMA
* TONY REZKO AND OBAMA 2
* TONY REZKO AND OBAMA 3

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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:51 PM
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36. Problem is you don't know how to sell your warmonger candidate
Nothing at all good to say about her?

Nope didn't think so.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:27 PM
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40. And Obama has stated he wants to leave 80,000 troops behind
on a peace-keeping mission... That is still half the troops, still in Iraq... Now how does that equate with Hillary's plan.... Explain it to me, then explain it to my Son who was injured in Iraq.. Could he be on of the 80,000 left behind to keep the peace? Sounds like a continuation of more of the same to me.... That is why neither candidate appeals to me... I don't hear the definitive let's end the war for good speech.....
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:00 PM
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72. YOU FAIL!!
As DOES Obama!
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:24 PM
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39. k and r
:bounce:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:54 PM
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66. bouncy! THANKS!
!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:15 PM
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44. Ka nd R
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:32 AM
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45. Excellent. K/R... Be careful though. Thou shalt not take the name of their god in vain.
Edited on Sun May-04-08 04:42 AM by BigBearJohn
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:35 AM
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47. "Vain"
...or was that humor?

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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:43 AM
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50. My goodness. To be spellchecked by the Great One is indeed an honor. thank you!
Edited on Sun May-04-08 04:44 AM by BigBearJohn
Or should it have been "in vein"?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:29 AM
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59. Oh Bear...
You know I always shoot in my eyeballs.

Saves my elbow skin.

:)
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:53 PM
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65. thx!
:)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:34 AM
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46. Saw this on Newsmax.
Nice work.

Or something.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:58 PM
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69. I have NEVER been to News max!
Believe it or NOT...Many Dem's are not impressed with your savior!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:10 PM
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77. LIV
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:37 AM
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48. You really need to get laid, don't you? n/t
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:42 AM
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49. IT IS ALL IN CAPS LOCK SO IT MUST BE TRUE GUYS!!!!
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livingmadness Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:48 AM
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51. So this is what its come to for some Clinton supporters, aye?
Posting from Republican sites. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Take care, you walk on dangerous ground, really. Things have gotten so insane for some, and note I said SOME Clinton supporters, that not only are republican sites/media/talking points now lauded, there are active campaigns to take down Democrats for the cause. I kid you not, at the insane-o-site Hillary-is-44, there has been a concerted effort to do just that, as reported at D-Kos:

kostner Says:
May 3rd, 2008 at 12:01 am
also it’s very very important for Hillary supporters to unequivocally tell the DC establishment, if Clinton is NOT the nominee, we’re ready to go with McCain. Many of her supporters are moderate/conservative democrats, and many of our ideologically leaning is much closer to McCain than to the communist BO.
If MS-1 D candidate gets booted on May 13th, it will send out a shock wave, I tell you. Republican party will immediately make more ads to tie D candidates in conservative districts with Obama/Wright if they smell the blood. And that alone will definitely deter many D candidates in swing/conservative districts from getting too close to Obama, let alone endorse him.
So I’m definitely rooting for the R candidate to win in MS-1 on May 13th.

djia Says:
May 3rd, 2008 at 12:12 am
kostner
we could post on blogs something like this..
" IF the republicans win in MS-1 On may 13th DNC Howard Dean will go bat shit and will get a good message of what’s to come in the GE IF Obama is the Nominee.....it would probably only take a few hundred swing voters to throw it in favor of the Repugs
it would mean electing a GOP candidate.......but the pay off if that did happen would be so worthwhile"

I personally find that kind of anti-DP campaigning despicable, and other Democrats should also. That is the ugly road you are looking down with this kind of trash. And I pity you if that is the road you choose to take.
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solidguild Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:05 AM
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53. So how is that "politics of change" working out for Hillary?
According to the numbers... not good. But don't let reality and numbers stop your fun.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:57 AM
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58. Are you a paid RW operative or just a volunteer?
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:15 AM
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60. K&R and Amazing.
No refutations to the charges, but a plethora of personal attacks on indimuse with no relevance to the OP.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:53 PM
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64. thank you, I just checked in..
posted..and had to run out!

You are right! But that's all I can expect anymore from the Obama peeps here.

Thank you. :)
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:28 AM
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61. right wing talking points, so why are you here?
you can't tell me that if you are this easily swayed by them that you are actually supporting Hillary Clinton in the general election.

and by your standards, she's not qualified because of the sniper fire thing.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:29 AM
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62. forgot to say: Let it stink.
:eyes:
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:00 PM
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73. Freeper crap from a Savage Weiner fan's blog
Why is this shit not deleted yet, and the OP tombstoned, like the last Freeper who posted it was?
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:02 PM
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75. NO!
Though you would love it, if it were!


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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:12 PM
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76. Why are you spreading Savage Weiner bullshit, Hillbot?
Just because the reich wing supports your Republican candidate, doesn't mean you get to dump their shit here.
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