In the current state of affairs, primaries and "pledged delegates" mean NOTHING! Work for change!

[DemVet]

Face it, the SD's are going to elect whoever they wish.

The fact that some have gone on record for one candidate or another means nothing. They have the right to change their minds. They will take into account whoever is ahead in the delegate count, whoever won the "popular vote" (yes, it does have weight, contrary to those who think it doesn't), cultural and regional demographics("The South", "white working class," "African American vote"), plus other factors.

Since neither candidate will reach 2025 "pledged" delegates by the end of the primary season (most likely), SD's will "install" whoever they wish.

If it's Obama...it's Obama. No whining from you Hillary supporters.

If It's Clinton...it's Hillary. No whining from you Obama supporters.

If you don't like the current system, write Howie Dean and DEMAND change. Emails are fine but typed or written letters (particulary NEATLY handwritten letters) and sent via Snail Mail usually carry the most weight in today's convenient email age.

DO IT NOW!!!

Governor Howard Dean
Democratic National Committee
430 S. Capitol St. SE
Washington, DC 20003

202-863-8000
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BTW - hopefully all these letters won't be necessary since the Democratic Party Leadership will realize what a fiasco this superdelegate mess is.


:toast:

[scheming daemons]

1. In June, Obama will have the 2025.... the SDs are starting to break.....

...and more are breaking his way.


...and he only needs to get about 40% of them.


So..... your post will be moot in a month.

[DJ13]

2. .... your post will be moot in a month.

Maybe even sooner.......

[tbyg52]

3. Hope you're right.

I think they've figured out that they better go with what the pledged delegates indicate, but one never knows.

[DemVet]

8. Nope.

Superdelegates don't actually vote until the convention.

Hillary can take it all the way into August if she desires, especially since The Obama Electability Issue will still be rearing its ugly, but necessary, head.

[Honeycombe8]

4. The SDs better have a voter-based decision, or it'll hurt the party, possibly for years to come.

Additionally, if they pick either one, when the state voters have picked the other, many will not show up to vote for the "SD-picked" nominee in November.

[DemVet]

9. Kind of like Ted Kennedy and John Kerry...

...supposedly voting for Barry while their state went soundly for Hillary, right?

[NYCGirl]

5. Superdelegates have been used since 1982. Did you always have a problem

with them, or just for this election?

[John Q. Citizen]

6. Obama will have won a majority of pledged delegates on May 20th. After that, look for

fast and furious movement from the remaining undecided supers to Obama, and a lot of Hill's previously announced supers moving to Obama.

He will cross the 2024 mark on June 3rd, the date of the last primaries.

That's my prediction.

[CoffeeCat]

7. This stuff is really getting old and boring...

You're a slave to your own denial.

We play by the rules. It's the pledged delegates that determine the winner.

Clinton thought so, until she got behind in the pledged delegates.

Really, scrape up your dignity off the floor and stop saying ridiculous things.

[DemVet]

10. Ah....

...another one that doesn't know how the process works. I gotcha.

[CoffeeCat]

12. That's the process....

...I understand very well how the process works.

Pledged delegates determine the winner. The Supers will--and have been--falling in line for
Obama-- because he is ahead in the pledged delegate count.

The Supers will not usurp the will of the people.

But you go ahead---assert your confounded scenarios and your "big state" theories--and we'll
see what that gets Hillary. Nothing.

How exactly do you think she's going to win? I have yet to hear one concrete statement that
explains this. It would be one thing, if the Supers were breaking in her favor. They
clearly are not.

[DemVet]

14. Your knowledge of the process is all hosed up.

Pledged delegates only determine the winner if they reach a total of 2025.

If that number is not reached, the SD's need to make up the delegate count for a candidate of 2025.

No, the SD's can vote for whoever they wish...they don't have to vote for whoever is ahead in the delegate count. Granted, they most likely won't go against the the will of the people, but with Obama's lower than expected showings lately, it could happen. Superdelegates, by definition, are expected to vote their conscience. That's why so many have declared for Senator Clinton. With your logic, all would vote for Obama. That just isn't going to happen.

I must be pretty embarassing to post what you did when your knowledge of the nomination process is severely lacking, uh?

[Gore1FL]

11. The flaw in this argument

is that it assumes that less than 20% make the entire decision. Unless (and arguably even if) the supers don't overturn the Pledged delegates they won't be installing anyone.

I don;t have a major issue with the concept and real purpose of SD's, but there are too many, and they should count by 1/2.

IMO, each Democratic Senator, Congressman, Governor, former President, former Vice President, and former nominee for those positons should get exactly 1/2 vote.

This serves the purpose of having the elected officials at the convention as delegates, but does not provide for a realistac mannerto upset the votes.

I also think there should be a national primary. whether the delegates are determined state by state, or as a national election is another argument altogether.

So we agree the system is badly set up. Changes need to be made. The system is what it is for 2008, and the supers are part of it. They are not an overwhelming part of it. They will not likely vote to sway the nomination against the pledged delegate leader.

[solidguild]

13. I agree about the fact that the popular vote has weight

It has the weight of helium.

I think caucuses should be abandoned, but until they are it is ridiculous to say they are less important than primaries. Perhaps Hillary supporters want us to believe this because Hillary planned so poorly for caucuses, expecting to cruise past them to her coronation as queen. It's not fair, I know... she was having her crown designed by Cartier and everything, but running such a shoddy and unthorough campaign didn't bode well for how she would have led us, anyways. And then she talked about imaginary Iranian nukes and obliterating human beings with our own very real nukes and we all knew then for sure exactly where she was planning on leading us. Thank goodness she abandoned her campaign of "change" and showed all of us all her true colors (red).