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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:43 AM
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TPM- Obama wins Guam
The results of three precincts are in, but the ballot counting at election central is still behind at this hour.

Official results from Maina, Ordot and Inarajan show that Senator Barack Obama is leading Senator Hillary Clinton by 26 percentage points.

Meanwhile, the manual counting this year seems to be taxing officials.

In fact, Herbie Perez, chairperson of the Democrat's nominating committee, has stopped overseeing the process to form another group with her at the helm.

She told the Pacific News Center previously that she expected tabulations to be complete by 11:30 p.m.

http://pacificnewscenter.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=97&twindow=&mad=&sdetail=24092&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1718&hn=pacificnewscenter&he=.com
The current results have Obama with 1,738 votes and Clinton with 1,599. This might mean that Obama picks up a single net delegate
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/obama-wins-guam.php
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:45 AM
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1. Not yet, too early.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:46 AM
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2. It's a caucus OK?
we ALL know they are UN-democratic and do NOT count
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:49 AM
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3. The Hilmentum streak of 1 stopped dead in its tracks
:rofl:
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:51 AM
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4. Can we now say that Guam
is a "game changer"?
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:52 AM
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5. Guam is Obama's Firewall!
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:55 AM
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8. oh yea?
just wait until Puerto Rico baby!!!
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:54 AM
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6. With 37% reporting, it's Obama 55, Clinton 45.
OGUAMA
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:55 AM
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7. TPM Blogger Calls Guam WAY EARLY
The article the guy quoted was talking about total DELEGATES each campaign has won to date.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:57 AM
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9. Hillary is done.. She can not stay in after this.
:blush:
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:59 AM
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10. I think that this was just a reader post on TPM,
and that it is officially still too early to call. But I hope he wins!


Question: If Clinton is campaiging to Guam and telling them that she is going to try and push for their inclusion in the general election, will she say the same to PR? I don't really understand Bill Clinton saying that it is foolish to include the caucus states, since many of them will go red in the general election anyways. Aren't they counting on the PR results to get the popular vote arguement ? Couldn't the same arguement be used that PR does not vote in the general election, so those results don't carry much weight anyways? Or is it different since PR is a primary instead of a caucus, or is it more important because it might be indicative of a voting block in the US.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:00 AM
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11. Update: With 11 out of 19 precincts reporting, Senator Barack Obama is leading
1:45 a.m. Guam
With 11 out of 19 precincts reporting, Senator Barack Obama is leading Senator Hillary Clinton by 6 percentage points. The total preference count so far is Obama with 768 to Clinton’s 680.


http://pacificnewscenter.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=161&twindow=Default&mad=No&sdetail=24095&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1718&hn=pacificnewscenter&he=.com
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:03 AM
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12. 4 delegates but 5 Super Delegates, whoever wins will influence them, I think.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:03 AM
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13. I.m not surprised
Obama won the Overseas ex-pat vote and really is creating excitement throughout the world.

Obama really is seen as the person who could really change America's position internationally. The Clinton people point to his popularity. I heard Kerry and Kennedy speak of how they have been impressed with the international reaction they hear to Obama. I trusted the MA Senators, but really came to 100% believe what they said when I spoke to my daughter, who is in the third month of a four month study aboard program in Sri Lanka. (Her information is far more limited - but, unlike the Senators, people speaking to her and her peers don't know who she's for and are not speaking to a man who came close to being the President of the US. They could want to say things to please him because he is an important person.)

She did not hear the Senators, but what she said sounded so similar. She spoke of the genuine excitement and interest they have in the chance that Obama could be President. They see him and a good man. This is true of the Buddhist family she has lived with most of the time, and their friends, the Muslim family she has stayed with while working on her independent study, people they have seen while seeing the ancient city as part of the program, people they see in markets and other places they have traveled to in their free time and most impressively - in some refugee camps that she has visited. People in the refugee camps, dealing with issues like getting good water - ask her if she is American and then their eyes light up and they ask her if Obama will win.

As to Clinton, she says they say there has already been a Clinton - they are not excited, but clearly think he was considerably better than Bush. what they think of Bush would make them fit in here perfectly. Incidentally, she told me that Sri Lanka had the first woman Prime Minister in the world - years ago - and she was the wife of another Prime Minister. That may be why they do not see HRC winning as special.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:06 AM
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14. As Guam goes to the polls, Clinton offers fuller citizenship
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:12 PM
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15. Obama takes Agana Hts. by only 3 votes
3:30 a.m. Guam - Despite being the home of Senator Barack Obama’s arguably most outspoken supporter, former Governor Carl Gutierrez, Agana Height’s vote was split nearly 50-50. Josh Tenorio from the Obama camp, speculates Republicans and Independents registering as Democrats for the day may have swayed the vote, but says he could not explain definitively why the village’s turnout was so close.

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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:17 PM
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16. Is Hillary's campaign broken?
What's going on with her support? I thought this was one that she had in the bag? Did the voters of Guam see something those in OH and PA didn't? There may be some dissatisfaction with the Clinton campaign and Guam's defection is just the beginning of the defection.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:20 PM
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17. I thought she was going to win big in Guam?
looks close to me
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