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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:47 AM
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When I first arrived at DU, I generally defended Hillary against the claim
that she was a Republican in Democratic clothing. I pointed to her near-pristine voting record (outside of matters related to Iraq, of course). I acknowledged that liberals occasionally have to take nuanced stands, and that we shouldn't rush to judge on matters like Kyl-Lieberman any more than conservatives do on nuanced votes on war funding.

Yeah, I'm pretty openly an Obama supporter, but I've generally thought Hillary was a fine candidate and that she'd be a fine Democratic nominee. I still think she'd be a fine nominee. Problem is, in the past few weeks I'm having difficulty figuring out which nomination she's shooting for.

1. On foreign policy, she repeatedly and deliberately struck a more hawkish note than any John McCain has yet sounded, in which she proclaimed that any Iranian aggression against any non-nuclear state in the Middle East would result in the "obliteration" of Iran.

2. She has echoed the right-wing campaigns against Gore and Kerry (and has provided John McCain with one of his favorite new talking points), by making the "out-of-touch elitism" of Obama a central issue.

3. She has run fearmongering advertisements that would fit nicely in the Republican campaigns of 2002 and 2004, in which she made the express point that voting for Barack Obama just might lead to your children dying in bed at 3AM at the hands of Osama bin Laden.

4. She has echoed both John McCain and George W. Bush's belief that tax "relief" cures all ills, by claiming that an insignificant temporary gas-tax cut constitutes an intelligent energy policy.

5. She has attempted to fracture the Democratic racial coalition by dismissing states Obama has won through his strong support among blacks, for the explicit reason that those states contain many black voters.

6. She has mocked liberal activists--the backbone, soul, and conscience of this party--and has sounded indistinguishable from right-wing commentators in doing so.

7. She has cuddled up to right-wing media, striking a friendship/alliance with Richard Mellon Scaife, and going on the O'Reilly Factor (in which she attempted to distance herself from the goal of single-payer healthcare, claiming that she did not want a government-run program.)

8. Now, with the Kantor tape and the revelation of her earlier "screw 'em" comment, it has become evident that Clintonworld has long held the working class in utter disdain. This is perhaps unsurprising, given Clinton's earlier support for destructive trade deals, but it is nevertheless offensive.

Frankly, she has made it very difficult to claim that she is not running against Barack Obama as a Republican. In order to win the White House, it seems, Obama must defeat two Republican candidates back-to-back.

I think we're up to it.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:52 AM
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1. happy to kick and reccmd
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:54 AM
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2. I think that as much as she personally hopes to be president,
her true goal, in order to satisfy her corporate contributers, is to simply become the nominee -- so that the deck will be stacked in their favor.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:54 AM
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3. I agree....he has already beaten his female republican opponent...
...now on to the crotchety old one in the fall!!!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:56 AM
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4. You forgot one. I'm appalled by her connections to the robo-call group in NC.
That robo-calling company is nothing but a front for Republican campaigns seeking to suppress black turnout through lies and intimidation. It goes straight back to the days of Jim Crow. I'm furious that Hillary's campaign has ties to it.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:44 AM
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11. Connections: Bill's former Chief of Staff, Hillary's former CoS and Maggie Williams Camp mgr
if the group had done what legitimate groups in NC were doing - that is

abiding by the law,
recommending early voting and same day registration (since the calls came after
mail in registration deadline had passed)

then we wouldn't be talking about this.

The group hurt voters not helped them.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:56 AM
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5. She has been mocking Progressive Activists....
for at LEAST 4 years. I do not forget her
champagne-glass clinking at the 04 Dem
convention where she celebrated the demise
of the progressive movement within the party.

But it won't go away no matter HOW MUCH
the DLC wants it to.

Four more years of republican rule should
just about do it.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:32 AM
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16. have you seen the video of her dissing code pink?
I wish I'd have kept a link of it. you see some really smoldering nasty there behind her eyes when she realizes they weren't there to lick her boots.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:56 AM
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6. Agreed and Recommended nt
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:58 AM
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7. K&R Right to the point.
Hillarious has remained very close to her roots as a young republican.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:00 AM
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8. Beware of G.O.P's
bearing gifts?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:06 AM
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9. kick
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:42 AM
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10. Kick Hard and Recommend
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:44 AM
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12. Nice summary :)
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:51 AM
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13. Oh please. It is Obama who has run a Bush vs. Gore campaign against her. He's as bad as Ken Starr.
eom
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 03:07 AM
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15. Mark Penn...is that you? eom
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:41 AM
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18. the OP lists facts to support his case.
You do not use anything but ridiculous accusations. FAIL.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:57 AM
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14. claiming that she did not want a government-run program
dealbreaker.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:37 AM
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17. B U L L S H I T
and you know it.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:06 AM
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19. "He SAYS he's not a Muslim. I take him at his word" .... bleccch. McCain/Hillary '08
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