Will we EVER elect a woman President of this country?

[liberati]

I thought this would be the year. But it's looking less and less likely that it will happen.

I'm a male but I think that it's disgusting that a modern first-world country has never had a female leader. 51% of the population and still a minority.

Think about it. There are many countries that have had black, male leaders, but only a handful of countries that have had female leaders, either black or white. Obama's a great guy, but it's time we set an example for the world. It's embarrassing that we haven't done it before now.

(My first thread, be gentle please! :))

[billyoc]

1. Yes. nt

[and-justice-for-all]

2. Yes, just not this time...nt

[faithfulcitizen]

70. ditto.

[PoliticalAmazon]

87. It's more important to elect a good president than it is to elect a woman....

...Hillary is the wrong candidate. She cannot even run her campain. It's as organized as a box full of ferrets. She also uses ROve/BushJr tactics, and I don't think our country can take another 4 years of that.

I hope to see a woman president in my lifetime, but I don't another bad president. Our country is in such disarray after 4 years of Bush Jr/ROve I don't think we can stand another 4 years of Bush Jr's clone, Hillary.

[JI7]

3. we haven't had anything other than white men

both Obama and Hillary would be firsts.

McCain would also be a first in being the first person to be President in his mid 80s.

[donheld]

4. If we can elect a black guy we can elect a woman

Will we ever elect a gay man or a lesbian?

[JI7]

10. i think Atheist is the only one that wont be likely for a long time

i think gays, muslims,mormons, wiccans, socialists, communists etc could all win easily over anyone that was an atheist.

if a white male atheist ran against a female black muslim socialist lesbian the woman would win just because she believed in God.

[quantass]

42. I believe Adams was the 1st ATHEIST president (or was it Lincoln)?

There is absolutely no chance of an atheist president for today though...it's like saying you are muslim for u.s. president.

[JI7]

44. a Muslim would beat an Atheist in a Presidential Election

[quakerboy]

52. I dunno

lets see what happens with Obama and McCain in the GE...


Heh.

[Bake]

92. Which party would ever nominate either one?

That just ain't gonna happen.

Bake

[and-justice-for-all]

98. Jefferson could be included in the Atheist Pres. club..

He was not religious and did not believe in any of the dogma.

[Orsino]

68. Stop with the distractions.

Bigotry against gays and lesbians is completely different from sexism and racism! :sarcasm:

:hi:

[ruby slippers]

5. welcome. it is tough being new...but you did well on your first thread

and I agree, I thought I would want to live in my lifetime for the first woman President, but I think it is more important to have a President that the world respects now that Bush has ruined our standing in the world. So, first we need anyone, not just a woman.

Anyway, post and don't worry about how easy people are on you. You have just as much right to be here as anyone....

[Liquorice]

6. I hope so. I once read that when a woman is

elected the leader of a country, the lives of all women in that country improve. I have hoped for a very long time that Hillary Clinton would be our first female president. I think she would be spectacular!

[leftofcool]

17. Yes she would

[Guava Jelly]

7. We may someday

I just don't believe we are there yet.

[Raine]

8. Yes...

every woman that runs brings another woman closer to actually doing it and one day one will be president.

PS ... WELCOME to DU! :hi:

[lynch03]

9. I'm sorry but I can't stand this mentality

So we should just elect a women because "it hasn't happened and it'd just be nice" How about we elect the person who would be the best President, and if that person happens to be a women, then that's fine. Voting based on gender,race,religion is just really really wrong and stupid.

[leftofcool]

16. But that is pretty much what we have been doing for 200 years

All men

[sandnsea]

11. When we get a woman worthy of the job

Hillary just isn't it. She thought she could lie her way into office like Bush did, but she forgot that Democrats are just a big too smart for that. Maybe it will be Napolitano or Sebelius.

[VotesForWomen]

62. so there hasn't been one 'worthy' in 200+ years? hmm. nt

[sandnsea]

78. Yeah, that's exactly what I said

There hasn't been any time when it was illegal or when women couldn't even vote. :eyes:

[cali]

12. dozens and dozens of countries have had women elected leaders

Many now have them- from Michelle Batchelder to Helen Clark, women head governments. And what white majority country has EVER had a black person as their elected leader?

[leftofcool]

23. I don't think you have to worry, Cali, your nominee has it in the bag

At least the MSM pundits say so

[cali]

29. that's not my point, lefty

my point is that the OP is wrong, and I'm stickler for accuracy. I've made it very clear that I'll vote for the dem nominee, and unlike a lot of Obama folks if it's Hillary- despite what I think of how she conducted herself in this campaign season- I'll be proud to see a woman nominee and even prouder to see a woman president- though Hillary's comments and record re war and peace, do give me real concern.

[livingmadness]

37. That's absolutely right

In every white majority country, there has never, never been a leader 'of color'. Many women leaders, I think it'd be great to have a woman leader in the US, just not this time.

[Jensen]

13. We are changing and change comes slow and it is Obama's time but ...

next time will be Dem Woman time ! Bush, Clinton,Bush, Clinton and We the little people have fallen way, behind it is time for a change! Welcome to DU!:hi:

[ruby slippers]

25. isn't it Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, and then Bush (Jeb) ???After all,

Barbara calls him "number 43"....God help us all....

[aaroh]

14. yes Sebelius as Veep 08 then Sebelius 2016

[leftofcool]

15. Nope

It is still a mans world here in the US. The MSM told us that with all of their sexist comments. Someday, the US will catch up to real progressive countries and finally elect a female but I don't see that happening for about another 25-50 years. Not in my lifetime, but I hope in my grand daughter's. Hey, it might even be her.........VOTE JADE 2041!

[mattclearing]

18. Of course we will. Just not this one. n/t

[Skittles]

19. not in our lifetimes n/t

[leftofcool]

24. That is right

at least not in mine

[ruby slippers]

20. don't count out the Repugs putting in Condi for VP and then something

happens to McCain healthwise and she assumes the post.....

[Submariner]

21. Most definitely

The time is right for a woman president, and I feel in many ways a woman would have a better temperament for the job after watching male conduct the past 40 years or so.

What is needed is a woman to emerge with her own career accomplishments and political standing, but not someone riding the coat tails of her husband's presidency with little in the way of personal career accomplishments. It will happen, hang in there.

[EFerrari]

22. Welcome to DU, liberati.

Lots of countries have had women leaders and we will, too. Off the top of my head, Pakistan, India, Britain, Argentina, Nicaragua, Germany, the Philippines. :hi:

[dbmk]

31. Norway, Finland, Iceland

Trust me - to the rest of the world that you compare yourself with - you electing a black man is a way bigger deal.

As for someone that has voted in the hopes of a female prime minister (could not vote directly for them, but for their parties), and voted for a few for City council, European Parliament and county representatives - I still would not vote for Hillary.
She has left me with no doubt that her ambition, money and bad experiences has made her rotten at the core. "as far as I know" was a prism into a corrupted soul.

[EFerrari]

93. "As far as I know" is a way to distance yourself from what you know

and any ethical consideration. Agreed.

[judasdisney]

26. Margaret Thatcher For President

and Elizabeth Dole for Senate Majority Leader. Kay Bailey Hutchison for Supreme Court Justice!

What a stupid thread.

[ruby slippers]

27. Come on, Judas, you had to go there, didn't you?

[quakerboy]

28. at to the title question: yes we will

as to the rest, well, I find it just as "disgusting" to have never elected anyone who wasn't White.

I would challenge your "only a handful" who have had female leaders. I think it is a faulty premise. But even if it were so, we are not so easily equated to other "modern first-world" countries. Some might even challenge our status as really belonging in that category. Our history is different than that of Canada, the UK, France, or Japan, and our advancement must reflect that.

So yes, we will elect a woman. But it will not be just because she is the first woman to have a fighting chance at it. And hopefully when we do, she will not be an entrenched part of the status quo.

That said, welcome. I hope you enjoy your time here. Prepare to be disagreed with, but also agreed with. It is much nicer when you pay no attention to the few idiots who couldn't find civility if we stapled it to their noses. The rest of us are passionate, but good when you can get behind the arguments.

[dbmk]

39. It is a faulty premise.

You have had female heads of state/heads of government in:
Iceland
Norway
Finland (twice)
Germany
Britain
Israel
India
Portugal
Ireland
Argentina
and I could go on

[quakerboy]

48. Dont forget Canada

our closest neighbor

[shaniqua6392]

30. We have waited over two hundred years for it to happen.

But Americans will be more comfortable with a man, even if it is an African American man. We have come a long way baby. Just not far enough. Maybe in 20 or 25 more years will the great America be willing to hand the reins over to a woman. We should be ashamed of ourselves for being less progressive than many nations who have been willing to treat women equally. I wonder if our first woman President will only get a salary that is about 70% of what the men before her had earned??

[SoCalDem]

32. Sure.. when a good one comes along.. there were several mentioned here

a few days ago.. women who blazed their OWN trail and did not get there by claiming their husband's experience..

There are several good woman governors serving now.. and many of them would be good choices..

[VotesForWomen]

65. there hasn't been a single 'good' woman in 200+ years? you're hard to please, aren't you?

[SoCalDem]

74. Speaking in POST-Hillary terms, specifically

of course rthere have always been women worthy of being president, but until now, none were considered viable enough to make it past the earliest primaries:)

[barack the house]

33. It would be old hat to the rest of the world they are more impressed at a black president at this po

[VotesForWomen]

66. worldwide, there have been way more black presidents than female presidents.

[barack the house]

34. It would be old hat to the rest of the world they are more impressed at a black president at this

point. Now yes there can be a woman presidnt, I totally hope he has a woman vp.

[MrSlayer]

35. I don't care if we ever elect a woman President.

Whether the next 10 Presidents are women or we never see one matters little to me. I want the best person for the country and of the three still in the race, Obama is the clear choice. We may indeed see a woman President, it's just not going to be this one. And basing your vote simply on the fact that the candidate has a certain set of genitals is ridiculous. Would you vote for Condi because "It's time for a woman!"? Please.

[Kaylee]

36. Definitely.....just not this year.

Clinton has no one to blame for her loss but herself and Mark Penn. She ran a horribly managed campaign in a race that was hers for the taking.

And about your black male vs female comparison...it's a bit flawed. I'm sure the BLACK MALE leaders where leading countries that were majority BLACK. How many countries that are majority WHITE (or OTHER NON-BLACK) have there been BLACK male leaders....I would venture to guess NONE.

[dbmk]

38. Just to make the information complete

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_heads_of_government
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_heads_of_state

Would it be significant if it happened in the US? Sure.
But you guys electing a black guy president? Groundbreaking.

Not that either should play into making the choice, really.

[dkf]

40. She's the wrong woman...

A warmonger female is NOT a good representative for my gender.

[melody]

41. We need a GREAT PRESIDENT -- I don't give a damn what their gender is

This election is too damned important to base one's vote on criteria that has nothing to do with the quality of the person being elected. My initial candidate was John Edwards. Now it's Obama. I'm a feminist and I would love to see a female President in my lifetime -- but I'm not going to vote for *any* woman either. To vote for a candidate solely on the basis of gender is continuing sexism, not curing it.

[chemp]

43. If Mrs. Clinton win the nomination I will vote for her with a smile on my face

That said. America will elect a woman president. Just not THAT woman. Just NOT Condi Rice, either.
I spent eight years criticizing the Republican administration run by Bill. Eight years looking at Hillary's voting record of being a Democratic leader while pandering to the republicans. I can not, will not and have not vote(d) for her in a primary.

[hokies4ever]

45. Yes, Kathleen Sebelius in 2016

No way Hillary becomes the first female President. Nobody likes Bush the warmonger, and nobody wants Hillary the warmonger.

[Jawja]

46. Yes we will.

When we have the right candidate.

[my3boyz]

47. Yes but hopefully it won't be Hillary. If Hillary is the first example

of a female president, we would never have another one. I hope one day we have a talented female with good character become the first female president. There are many, many talented ladies out there that would be wonderful presidents. They would have respectable campaigns and not go down in the gutter to get the position (unlike Hillary). That will be a wonderful day when that finally happens.

[mystieus]

49. If a trustworthy one comes around, sure.

[Arugula Latte]

50. We can elect one after President Obama's two terms are up.

We can certainly find a woman candidate who is one hell of a lot better than Hillary. (note: I am a woman)

[Jed Dilligan]

51. I hope so

Just not one with "testicular fortitude."

[WillyT]

53. Sure !!! - Just Not THIS Woman

:shrug:

[pdxmom]

54. I'm more concerned if we'll ever elect another Democrat to the presidency

in this country. We've far surpassed the silly season and have entered into the "cut off your nose to spite your face" season.

[LisaM]

55. I doubt it. Really, I seriously doubt it.

There are so many people convinced that women have equal rights (including many of the people here!) that it doesn't seem important to a lot of people. The sad thing is that that group includes women.

I think it's a disgrace, and I think the way Hillary has been treated is a disgrace. How would Obama supporters feel if people dismissed his candidacy by saying, "oh, we'll have a black president someday. I'll vote for a black person, just not THIS one". They would shout racism (and perhaps rightfully so).

If one more person says they'll vote for a woman, just not "this one", I'll scream. Seriously, they are running very close to each other. He has almost all the support of the black community, she has only half to two thirds of the women's vote. I suppose it's a good reflection on how women vote, but it is a telling statistic. Not all my women friends are for Hillary; ALL of my male friends are for Obama and some are sending me obnoxious emails telling me that Hillary should drop out.

(I will add that in my FAMILY, the men are Hillary supporters. Of course, my father's vote counts for nothing because he is in Michigan and Obama doesn't give a rat's ass about Michigan's voters).

[newmajority]

56. Of course there will be a woman President

Just not one named Bush or Clinton.

[Lady-Damai]

57. Yes we can! But not Hillary Clinton. n/t

[liberaldem4ever]

58. I hope so someday-just not HRC

I hope that a well qualified woman with a good character and a vision for America will run for president and be elected in the future. It would be good for our country.

[blindpig]

59. Hey, we could kill two birds with one stone...

Yeah, I mean it. At least you can believe her...

[Lilith Velkor]

72. I love her

She has more political courage in her pinky fingertip than Obama or Clinton ever had.

[Lilith Velkor]

60. Yes. n/t

[VotesForWomen]

61. maybe someday; don't know when. America is a fundamentalist country at heart. nt

[democrattotheend]

63. Sorry, but that alone is not a reason we should toss Obama aside and elect Clinton

And it's worth pointing out that we have never had a black president either.

I'd love to see a woman president but I care about character, and I respect Obama a lot more as a person and that's why I, as a woman, decided to support him.

[MarvelousMellifluous]

64. Yes maybe one day

[Hoof Hearted]

67. In 284 days we'll swear her in.

[cliffordu]

69. Yep - Just not the one running right now.

[Hepburn]

71. Thanks to Hillary and her ugly, dirty campaign, and her lies and whining, IMO...

...she has made it tough for any woman to be elected. She has left a very bitter taste in the mouth of too many people. I wish to hell it were different, but the huge negative reactions I see to her, IMO, do not bode well for others females who wish to run for POTUS in the future.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

80. Good Lord! Negative reactions that have her at almost 50% of the Dem vote in the primary!

SUCH NEGATIVITY!


BURN THE WITCH!

[burythehatchet]

73. Someday, when an authentic woman runs for president.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

77. Get a life, sexist pig (or piglet)

[burythehatchet]

82. got a great life, my friend. No complaints whatsoever. Oh yeah, and

Hillary can suck my ass. (which if she actually tried it would force me to kick her in the balls.)

[Hepburn]

83. Get lost....

[EFerrari]

94. You are a disgrace to serious Feminists.

But, you probably know that.

[Erin Elizabeth]

96. Might be stupid to even engage you, but how was their comment

sexist and therefore you could call them a sexist pig?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

75. You can bet on it buddy. If you are under 40, you will see a female AND an African American Pres.

This is a banner year.

The seed has been sown.





God help us, we will see one of these in November.

[dana_b]

76. Welcome and yes we will!! It just won't be THIS woman. n/t

[Exilednight]

79. It's just as embarassing that we haven't elected an African-American as President............

and besides, do you really want Hillary to be the mold of the first female President?

[book_worm]

81. Yes.

[graycem]

84. The issue isn't a woman...

the issue is it should be the right woman. :)

[Emillereid]

85. I am a woman and I am sure we will elect a woman president - just not Hillary!

[Bensthename]

86. maybe in 8 years after O..

[kenny blankenship]

88. Yes. And when we do it won't be someone "who was the wife of _________________"

She'll have made it on her own.

[Erin Elizabeth]

97. BRAVO!!!!

[TragedyandHope]

89. Yes, we will elect a woman President

Off the top of my head, the UK and Germany have had women leaders and I'm sure there are others.

The country has shown that it is ready to elect the best leader, regardless of gender or race. Look at the record turnouts during this race. I have no doubt we will elect a woman President soon and many more in the future.

I look forward to it!

[Fox Mulder]

90. Yes, but not this one.

[blm]

91. I'd no sooner vote for a closed government Democratic woman than I would a man

who protected the secrecy and privilege of closed government.

I wouldn't have voted for Margaret Thatcher in the 80s, either - would YOU?

Most of the rest of the world believes the US is a RACIST country - think of the savings of many billions of dollars and decades of diplomacy all in day one of President Obama's administration.

[Erin Elizabeth]

95. I don't see these things as either-or

or as mutually exclusive.

As long as the DEMOCRAT wins, we all win. Because most likely the Dem nominee will be African-American. If/when he wins the White House, we'll have our first ever African-American president.

I think in a country with the history we've got, that'll be something to be very proud of! And we'll have a female president someday, of that I have no doubt. Just not this one.

[Auntie Bush]

99. Welcome! And my I gently say, "If we can't vote for Hillary...we will NEVER have a woman president.

Not in my life time or my daughters. It's soooo sad, especially when I heard all my life, "If we ever had a woman president, how different things would be."

Thanks for posting!