Cheney uses the fact that the Democrats have two Candidates who.....

[deminflorida]

supported the Iraq War to paint the "Dumb and Dumber" Movie Scenario that some people here at DU warned about weeks ago. Except, instead of using the word Dumb he says it's a medical condition, i.e....."Amnesia".

"Sens. John Kerry and John Edwards, the presumed Democratic presidential ticket, reviewed the same reports on Iraq that were given to President Bush and supported the decision to go to war, Cheney said."

"Now it seems they've both developed a convenient case of campaign amnesia,"


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/12/cheney.dems.ap/index.html

[amber dog democrat]

1. Nice try, Cheney

Making a decision based on flawed intelligence is one thing.


What Kerry did, ( from the 60 Minutes Interview ), was vote to enable the president to take necessary action - but this is not saying that he favored the invasion and occupation.

But where are the WMDs?
What is our exit strategy?
What have we gained from this?
What NEW proof is there of a connection between Iraq and Al Quieda?

He is still part of the impetus behind invading Iraq under false pretenses and then lying to the American people about it.

[izzie]

2. I did not understand it was to just go to war either.

I thought it was to go to the UN etc and find out if there was any reason to go to war. WH just used the vote to take off. If Bush, is saying we should have got rid of this man, Saddam, why wasn't North Korea a better place to go? We know they have bombs now.

[amber dog democrat]

3. This sums up how evil they are.

Evil beyond words.
Lies, its all based on lies.
Everything coming out of this administration is based on lies.
They don't have a shred of integrety - and this Administration maims and kills with impunity.

The reality behind this war is so outrageous that most people are not going to believe it. Kerry never supported going directly to the invasion / attack.
AFter the House and Senate gave the Chimp Administration a blank check to do what it pleased, there was no stopping them.

When the record is more complex and sublte, lies are easier to proclaim and believe. Most people like simple causes and effects.

[rfranklin]

4. Bush promised Congress and the American people that...

he would give the weapons inspectors time to do their job. He lied. Bush promised that he would go back to the U.N. before he invaded Iraq. He lied. Cheney claimed there was a provable working relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda. He lied. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[TexasProgresive]

5. Saddam didn't let the inspectors in, Remember.

That's what our highly intellegent box of rocks, Du(m)bya said at least twice.

[democratreformed]

14. Again, to me, the main issue

is that Congress and the Senate voted to NOT have the power to force him to come back to them before actually sending troops. They gave up their right and responsibility.

[democratreformed]

12. I understood it.

I understood that Congress and the Senate voted to give up their power to vote before our nation went to war. I understood that we would inevitably end up exactly where we are at.

My Congressman understood it. He voted NO.

I'm just not buying the "That's not what they voted for" meme. If other voters do, then that'll be great.

[Leilani]

15. Agreed...I also understood.

How come Bob Graham knew enough to vote against the war? Bob Byrd?

Heck, Linc Chafee, a Republican, said he looked at all the intelligence, & it did not add up to a credible threat. If he knew, why not the others?

Face it: it was politically expedient to vote for the war.

[emulatorloo]

6. Cheney still insists their were ties between Osama and Saddam

So let me see, now I should believe that Kerry/Edwards are Dumb and Dumber?

[deminflorida]

7. Your not supposed to believe anything Cheney says, I don't, but this is

how the GOP will attempt to paint Kerry/Edwards. I plays right along with their Flip-Flop strategy they used so effectively against Gore in 2000.

[emulatorloo]

8. It doesn't matter - This will not help Cheney/GOP and here's why

A lot of voters have "flip-flopped" on the invasion.

They believed the president when he said Saddam was going to attack us.

Now they see that it was basically all BS.

They supported Bush on the war. Now they see it was a mistake.

Check the polls - the number of people who believe Bush lied us into this war and that it was not worth it is growing.

If they feel manipulated by Bush, and they have changed their mind about the war, do you think they are going to take kindly to Cheney's BS?

[auburngrad82]

9. Kerry and Edwards war votes

Yes, Kerry and Edwards voted to allow Dubya to go to war. But the fact remains that they, along with the rest of Congress as well as the American public and much of the world, were misled by the administration. I think Kerry/Edwards should turn it around on Dick/Dubya by pointing out that the root of the problem is the dishonesty of the administration. Over 1000 coaltion troops and countless thousands of Iraqis have died because of their lies.

Jay Rockefeller said last week that if he had known how weak the evidence was that the administration presented to congress he would not have voted for going to war.

It's ok to change your mind when your decision was based on lies and you were duped, along with virtually every politician in Washington, into believing the lies of Cheney and Bush.

[union_maid]

10. But Cheney wins for Dumbest

Kerry and Edwards supported their president. They received intelligence that was anything but intelligent and they cast votes in support of a show of national unity that superseded partisan politics in the face of anyone who'd consider the US their enemy and at a time when we'd only recently been attacked on our own ground. We'd expect the same from the Republicans. In the end this administration led the charge to war, had the backing to get it done without the approval of any Democrats and now we know for sure that they fucked it up from the genesis of it and not just the exectution. Seems to me that dissing someone for supporting you when it turned out that you were working on false premises is not a very strong defense.

[JI7]

11. as if they would not have attacked or criticized any other vp choice

[Tom Rinaldo]

13. Yes they had ammunition stockpiled for each one

of our potential VP nominees. National Republicans go negative, that's what they do best, when they can't get away with only doing photo ops at flag factories. The line of attack would have changed, but attack they would.

[Dr Fate]

16. Except Kerry/Edwards never forged evidence or lied about WMDs.

I believe that was the Bush admin.