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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:56 PM
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Obama... is still BEST for this Country... Please - KICK - this.
After weighing the merits of the arguments for or against Obama, I am now more convinced than ever that Barack Obama is what we need in a president for this country, for this world.

The Wright controversy puts us squarely in the politics of the last 7 years. Politics of distraction. Politics of negativity. Politics of distortion. This has been cooked up by the Republicans (it took fire on Fox), has been seasoned by Clinton (to swing momentum in her direction) and burnt by the Media pundits (clips played over and over to shape public opinion). I am a steadfast supporter of Obama and that hasn't changed and will not change.

As a matter of fact, I don't have to look at the news shows to know what their next move will be. I'm so used to it. This is the same thing that has been happening for the last 7 years. And what the right wing, the military infrastructure and the Clintons would like is nothing better than to have politics continue as it's been for this generation and beyond.

Obama represents a break from what has been, what hasn't worked for Americans and what will serve our long term interests through out the rest of the world.

Clinton will not be able to change our politics of destruction because quite simply she's of it, is married to it, is indoctrinated by it. She has bought into the belief that since the Right wing is better at Politics that she will play the game their way and if she should be so lucky to win the nomination, she will have a chance to shape a few of her policies if again she should be so lucky to make it past the right wing in the General Election. Her strategy is a flawed one and one that will never carry her where she would like to go because she's made her bed with the lot of the right wing. She has bought into the notion that she can only win by playing the game their way.

Obama's strategy is a better one because it benefits more people. It includes everyone. Be clear on this... the Wright story is a side show that the neo-cons want to play to get everyone in the country to question Obama's run for the presidency. This tells me that the media, Clinton, the entire republican party want to continue to take this country down the wrong path. When that many people jump all over statements that Obama never said and when that many people want to glue Obama to the statements and activities of people he knows without looking at their own actions then I know I'm backing the right candidate. Obama is that candidate. Someone I can believer in. Someone who didn't authorize a war all democrats detested is the right candidate. Someone who didn't vote for a bankruptcy bill that strapped more debt to poor people is the right candidate. Someone who did not take lobbyist money to influence the help he would give all Americans is the right candidate. Someone who will set the mission to bring all U.S. forces home and leave no permanent base in Iraq is the right candidate.

The media - hijacked by the Republicans - will have you believe that Wright is the only issue we care about. It isn't! I don't care about Wright in the quest for the presidency. I care about this country and a president who can lead us out of the same dumb kind of politics we've all come to hate. Obama supporters talk more about the attributes of Obama and stay away from the peripheral issues the Media and the Republicans will have you salivating over.

The right wing lives on hypocrisy. That's why I know I'm on the correct bandwagon. A candidate that acts in the best interest of his own party, in the best interest of his country, in the best interest of a people, in the interest of hope and optimism is the only candidate who can lead us out of this darkness.

I will re-iterate my position on Obama. Obama should be and will be the next president of these United States.

Not this time!

GOBAMA!
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:57 PM
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1. best one still standing. That is all that matters, period!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:57 PM
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2. Kick and Rec!
:kick:
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:58 PM
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3. K & R
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Dammit Ann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:02 PM
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4. you said it very well.
dead on. GOBAMA.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:04 PM
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5. K&R
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:11 PM
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6. GObama!!!
:bounce:
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:14 PM
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7. And Obama has a knack for rising above adversity...
Yep, he's gonna make a damn good president. Historically, one of the best ever IMO.

Thanks for the very thoughtful post.

K&R!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:21 PM
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11. And Hillary doesn't? She has risen above more than Obama has even read about!
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:39 PM
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13. No, pulling others down into the dirt with you is not the same as rising above.
I hate to break it to you. But there IS a difference.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:55 PM
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46. Adversity like firing travel office workers, relationships with Murdoch, Norman Hsu, lobbyists, etc?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:27 PM
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50. ...but she hasn't "risen"....
...she's learned to become just as ruthless, heartless and sociopathic as
her attackers.

When you're treated poorly--you either process it and "rise above"--as you said--or you
internalize the rage and hatred and you become like your attackers.

Hillary has clearly become what she used to hate.

She is a dirty trickster, she's very myopic and she lies. Did you see her face
during the Bosnia story? She believed what she was saying. It is frightening to
see her telling those stories now--knowing that she could lie so effortlessly.

Hillary and Bill Clinton were once idealists who were very Progressive. Somewhere
along the way--they got real power hungry. Unfortunately, the neocons became the
ones with the stranglehold on power in this country. The Clintons capitulated
because they wanted in on the game. Hillary votes with the neocons and she's got
all of them (Kristol, Limbaugh, Gingrich, etc) leveraging her candidacy and repeating
her own talking points.

She also campaigns right out of the Rovian playbook--with her planted questions, dirty
emails "Obama is a Muslim" coming from her campaign and all of the innuendo about his
drug use--and that was just what I saw being played in Iowa! Now, she jumps into the
Wright echo chamber, and digs her nails into every Obama misstep and controversy---to score
political points by herself.

"Risen above." I don't think so.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:55 PM
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72. Kicking this thoughtful post and a question...
I totally agree TwoSparkles and ya know what still baffles me?

That wise Dems that share a unified disgust at Shrub and the puke machine can see Hillary with different eyes. She is all you say, and yet it seems some of us see her for what (we think) she is - and others don't see it at all.

To each his/her own I guess...

peace~:)
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:57 PM
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55. K&R. I have no doubt at all that he will be one of the best presidents, ever.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:15 PM
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8. That's it right there!
Not this time!

Because if so, it would be the last we even get to contest.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:15 PM
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9. No question
Hillary is a footnote.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:20 PM
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10. Obama will never be my candidate and he does not represent my interest
I care about the working class and the poor. I care about healthcare for all. I care about the elderly. I care about gay rights. I care about women's rights.Obama will never represent me.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:39 PM
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12. You're joking, right?
Hillary is about supporting the corporate oligarchy.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:48 PM
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14. I'm really biting my lip Saracat because of my affection for you and Finnfan.
We're going to have to agree to wildly disagree on this subject.
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:18 PM
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49. I think you're thinking of Sarahbelle. nt
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:36 PM
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69. Oh, god, you're right! I'm an idiot. It was a loooooooooooong day.
Thanks tofunut. Sorry Saracat, and especially sorry to you Sarabelle! :blush:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:49 PM
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17. so you side with the Corporations???
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 05:51 PM by LSK
I DARE YOU to watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isi6c2s353c

Are you sure you want to be supporting Hillary wearing an Edwards avatar??? You just blow my mind if you do.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:33 PM
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35.  Obama voted againsdt citizens rights to sue corporations and protected the corpations. Don't even
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 07:34 PM by saracat
start about who is the most corporate candidate. Obama certainly loves those corporations. he even states it in his book. Yeah, I support Hillary.She has Edwards healthcare plan Obama has zip! Elizabeth Edwards says Hillary has the best healthcare plan and it is the same as John's. Consider your mind blown
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:48 PM
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54. Do you ever back up ANYTHING you say?
You come on here and spew all this garbage and don't provide proof for any of it; you never do.

Obama has a wonderful health care plan. The only real difference is that it isn't mandatory, which is the smart way to go. The government never gets peoples' financial situations correct; they just assume that if yo make "this much money" you can afford something; they neglect to factor in bills. What makes you think Hillary's plan will consider that; no government program ever has.

And quite frankly, since Edwards isn't running and he didn't bother to endorse, I really don't give a shit what Elizabeth Edwards has to say. They are irrelevant.

And! Hillary has taken more corporate money than any candidate EVER has; so spare me the Obama is a corporate man. That is ridiculous and you know it.

Now, consider YOUR mind blown.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:21 AM
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81. Do you? What about the Class Action Fairness Bill?
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 12:22 AM by saracat
First bill of Bush's second term. Generally considered pro-business, part of the Republican anti-trial lawyer agenda. Makes it harder for consumers to sue corporations. Transfers jurisdiction from state courts to federal courts.Obama voted with the corporationss on this! This is why Edwards won't endorse him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32674-20
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:04 PM
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125. how convenient.
We are unable to locate the page you requested.
The page may have moved or may no longer be available
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:59 PM
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142. Well Obama still voted against the Class Action fairness act. That is a fact.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:44 PM
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65. Hillary voted for a war that has killed thousands of people
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 10:45 PM by LSK
Guess what? We have a choice of 3 candidates. So if you will never vote for Obama, then I guess you support the 2 who love war and love lobbyists. Edwards would be proud of you.

PS: A funny thing about health care plans, they have to go through Congress. Get back to me when Hillary's plan passes through Congress untouched.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:13 AM
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76. Having a healthcare plan isn't the same as getting it passed
Hillary Clinton bears most of the responsibility for the failure to get universal healthcare passed in 1993. Her secretiveness and unwillingness to compromise left congress vulnerable to the 'Harry and Louise' ads and unwilling to take a risk to pass the program. I have no reason to suspect she will be any more successful the second time around than she was the first time.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:52 PM
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29. He represents hope... and all the things you mention. Hillary represents herself
Where is your answer about the war? Did you lose that? If she represented what you say she represents then 4000 men and women wouldn't be dead right now, she wouldn't have voted for that bankruptcy bill. You haven't answered anything of substance.
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elmerdem Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:58 PM
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30. Hate much?
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 07:00 PM by elmerdem
To imply that Obama doesn't care about those things is absurd. I hope for your sake that you benefit from his policies even if he doesn't represent you. We will not join the hate crowd. We will lift you up. You can thank us later.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:17 PM
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34. shocking revelation...
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:51 PM
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38. my god women's rights-obviously you delve no further than the surface but it's your loss
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:41 PM
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43. saracat I hope you'll reconsider
Barack Obama does have a policy plan for each of the issues that are important to you.

Please review Obama's document called The Blueprint For Change at: www.barackobama.com/issues

I think you'll find ambitious plans to change the business as usual game in Washington.

If you've already reviewed the document, would you mind letting me know briefly what about his policies you have reservations with?

Thanks
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:08 PM
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61. And how well will John McCain represent you?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:08 PM
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152. Not much differently. They are both sellouts.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:02 PM
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124. You care about everything Obama cares about.
So by definition he DOES represent you. Maybe not your irrational prejudice, but that's got nothing to do with him.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:24 PM
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129. OMG, sara, I knew this post was from you even before I read your name on it. How sad is that?
I honestly hope you are able to overcome your bitterness and move on.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:00 PM
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149. maybe you should consider looking a little deeper -clinton will toss gays with the garbage
"Hillary's serious gay problem (Updated)
by davidkc
Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:10:59 AM PDT

In Hillary Clinton's disturbing attempt to rebrand herself as a Bible-totin', gun-slinging Annie Oakley, complete with right-wing talking points, I guess it's not surprising that gays would end up with the short end of the stick in Camp Clinton these days. Hillary has given lip service to supporting GLBT rights, but her actions over the past few months - not to mention the past few decades - have shown that Hillary is not only trying to distance herself from the gay community and GLBT issues but has done her best to use anti-gay sentiment to her advantage. There's a disturbing pattern at work here, folks, that should outrage any true Democrat who cares about equality...."


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/30/61119/3963/264/506212
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:48 PM
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15. K&R
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:48 PM
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16. actually Edwards was, but Obama is the best of whats left
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:18 AM
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79. I agree with you LSK
I like John Edwards, and especially Elizabeth Edwards. I wish he could catch on with the voters, but that is just not going to happen, I guess.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:20 AM
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118. I'm with you
...and if Clinton wins the nomination, I won't be happy, but she'll be the best of what's left. I'm hoping we get Obama.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:50 PM
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18. Heyoooooooo!!!!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:51 PM
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19. Excellent post.
Thank you so much for putting this all into perspective.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:53 PM
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20. K & R
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:07 PM
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21. Did anyone ever get to this point where we'd be questioning a candidate about
what someone else said? Of all the dumbass right wing jockeying.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:19 AM
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80. I guess they think Obama is associating with too many 'uppity' people. N/T
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:15 PM
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22. K&R
I'll drink to that :beer:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:18 PM
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23. I've never been more impressed with Obama's serious but emotionally "in control" demeanor than
I was today. After seeing him at seemingly every opportunity on CNN Live, I could tell that he was "visibly upset." However, I would not KNOW that had I not observed his behavior on several occasions.

Another example of "grace under pressure."

We're so fortunate to have Obama running for President. :grouphug: :thumbsup:
It was never going to be easy but let's help him go all the way to the White House?

Yes. We. Can.
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raystorm7 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:18 PM
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24. k&R We need an Obama no matter what at this point.
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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:23 PM
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25. Agree 110% !!!
GooooooooooooooooooooBama!
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:27 PM
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26. Gobama!
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:39 PM
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27. Well said, thank you. K and R. nt
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:43 PM
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28. Kick and Rec'd Obama is the best for our country
:kick:
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:02 PM
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31. I'll kick it until I see a reason not to. k/r
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:03 PM
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32. .
:kick:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:13 PM
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33. I'm afraid I've missed the tail end...
of the lollapalooza. I gather that Obama once again had to distance himself from Reverend Wright, and that Reverend Wright is the most important issue going on in the world today. I don't watch the television, and I'm just checking in now, so I am having some difficult in discerning what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:38 PM
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36. K&R
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:51 PM
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37. Kicked and recommended.
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Stump Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:59 PM
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39. K & R
Obama IS still the best thing going today!!!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:00 PM
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40. kick, nominated and thanks.... n/t
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:01 PM
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41. done and done
I concur with..

"Obama should be and will be the next president of these United States. "
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:07 PM
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42. I agree, we need to move forward and Senator Obama is the person to move us there. n/t
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:47 PM
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44. The real elitists are working hard to destroy Obama.
Bush's base, the have-mores, have activated their mouthpiece, the corporate media, to destroy Obama and install Hillary and her 60% negatives as the Democratic choice. This will give them puppet McCain and another 4 years, minimum, to loot the Treasury. They hate Obama because he will work to loosen their grip on our government.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:54 PM
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45. Good post !
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:14 PM
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47. I need to get rid of TV....
when are they going to start talking about real issues.
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DCofVA Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:15 PM
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48. Obama is not just a candidate, he's a movement.
Something like I haven't seen since the 60s. He is leading a new awakening.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:31 PM
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51. NO a Dem is best for this country, either candicate is capable!
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:45 PM
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53. I have to concur with you on that!
VOTE DEM whatever may come!
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:40 PM
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52. K & R
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:00 PM
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56. K&R
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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:02 PM
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57. Kick'D
and rec!!

GObama!!!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:04 PM
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58. While Bush gets a pass from the willfully ignorant media, they focus on crap like what Wright said
Because war sells newspapers.

Who just got killed?
Who just got wounded?
Who is winning?
Who is losing?
Who is the new General?
Who is leading the attack?
Who is leading the defense?

Yet Bush is the one that set us on this disastrous course of self-destruction!
While the media laughs at the press corps dinners - like assholes like Cheney are popular or something.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:06 PM
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60. Wright isn't even running for office, and will have ZERO impact on what happens in our future.
Because he retired.
He's done.

He's just another trivial pursuit question.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:04 PM
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59. Absolutely! And cheering him for what he did today! GOBAMA!
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d00mzday Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:10 PM
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62. K&R
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:13 PM
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63. HIllary has been putting up with this for 17 years...Obama and his supporters
need to wake up if they think it's going to be easy to win the nomination.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:44 PM
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64. What has she been "putting up with"? She was the WIFE of a President.
She wasn't making policy.
She didn't have a security clearance.
She didn't write legislation.
She didn't sign one treaty or one law.
She didn't wake up at 3 AM to answer the phone.

She didn't do anything a president does.
She ran for office with money from Bill's pardoned friends.
She found a state in which she never lived and basically carpetbagged the Senate seat.
She's done little of repute in the Senate, where she's signed onto most of the Bush legislation.
She didn't stand up to Bush; she represented the interests of the corporations.
And she takes their money.

She has lived in mansions on the taxpayers' dime for most of her adult life.
Her daughter went to private schools.
She has servants and secretaries and limousines and chefs.
She obviously has a make up person and a wardrobe person and a personal shopper.

What the heck has she been "putting up with"?

Remember that line from "When Harry Met Sally?"
I'm betting a lot of single mothers, a lot of hard working REAL middle class women (and a lot of men) would say:

I'll have what she's having.... Not a bad life.... not putting up with much... $109 million dollars and more on the way.

Tough, tough, tough life.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:51 PM
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:46 PM
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133. she has been putting up with people like YOU!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:33 AM
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84. Hillary slept with the President. So what? So did Gennifer Flowers!
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 12:34 AM by Major Hogwash
If that is the experience Hillary is talking about, then she isn't fit to lead.

Hillary is a liar - she knew Gennifer Flowers was telling the truth about sleeping with Bubba when that fucking asshole lied on tv in 1992 about it.

They brought this all down on themselves.

They are racists - and now the whole damned world knows it!!

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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:04 PM
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151. it WASNT easy
notice the past tense.


i wish i had the ability to live in a world where if i thought something enough and said 'if' enough everyting was true.

but i dont.
i live in reality.

she lost. deal with it.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:02 PM
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66. K&R
I'm praying for a double win one week from tonight!
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:07 PM
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67. K&R, reluctantly. I'm quite disappointed in Obama today for throwing a
fine man under the bus and lacking the courage to stand up for him.

But I still feel he's our best choice. Of the choices offered.

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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:28 AM
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82. Agreed. I hate that did that to Reverend Wright.
I still think that Reverend Wright is a great man, even if he does have some crazy ideas.
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shagsak Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:17 PM
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138. I didn't have a problem with Wright at all
until he expressed that different races use different parts of the brain (blacks use the right and whites use the left, or was it the other way around). That and attacking Obama, the ONLY public person who defended him at all. He lost me there.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:07 PM
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68. Obama supporters' biggest disconnect is the difference between "should be" and "will be."
"Al Gore should be and will be the next president of these United States."
"John Kerry should be and will be the next president of these United States."

That's what happens when we nominate GREAT candidates. Now, with Obama, we are nominating the most swiftboatable candidate with the least experience we have ever nominated.

I agree that (should he win the nomination), he definately should be. But contrary to popular belief here, that doesn't change the fact that he likely won't be. Unfortunately, it will take most of you until poll closing in PA on November 4th to realize this.
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jcla Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:43 AM
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93. Are you referring to Democrats or Republicans nominating
the person with least experience. What experience did Shrub have... He was governor of Texas... with the highest per capita "legalized death rate" in the country under his term of office... Has Obama voted for war in Iraq? I don't think so. Did Obama leave thousands to struggle during the wake of Katrina? Just think about experience... What Obama did was to find solutions for people who were struggling to survive in Chicago as a grass roots worker. He was a teacher of the constitution and constitutional law... Bush has crapped on the constitution... experience... what kind of experience are you talking about?

I think of another Senator from Illinois with about the same level of political experience... Abraham Lincoln.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:57 PM
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141. Very well stated, jcla.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:38 PM
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70. K/R
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:56 PM
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73. Kick. n/t
PB
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tsdraegeth Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:58 PM
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74. Hypocrisy
Isn't hypocrisy Obama not objecting to Wright's sermons when it served him to pretend to be part of black activism, and then to stab Wright in the back once he reaches a Fox-news level of cultural acceptance?

Or is that just generally scummy behavior?

Either way, it shows that Obama is as unprincipled and political as Hillary.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:59 PM
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75. K&R
Obama is the best candidate we have running - he might not turn out to be a Lincoln or Roosevelt, but he will do a good job, I think. Right now, a president who is intelligent and relatively honest will be a breath of fresh air after the last 7 years.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:14 AM
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77. Kick!
:dem:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:14 AM
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78. Even if others disagree, it matters little, since he WILL be the nominee.
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 12:14 AM by Zhade
Despite all the wishful thinking and one-off polls, she's toast.

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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:33 AM
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83. Hell yes he has respected voters of both sides that is leadership. Every vote and citizen counts.
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 12:33 AM by barack the house
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yui Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:25 AM
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104. This is so true - and so important!
As a former non-voting cynic (something I'm not proud of), I can tell you that this is the first Presidential candidate in my lifetime (and I've been around a LONG time) who has the potential to actually bring this country together - for the very reason you state.

Why does this matter? Because partisanship and divisiveness have got to stop if we're ever to get anything truly important done like providing healthcare, ending the war, fixing the economy, and a multitude of other issues that have been kicked down the road for years.

The ugly "gotcha" politics has got to stop. This isn't some silly game in which the ends justify the means.

The United States needs a real leader of character and integrity.

We need Barack Obama.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:33 AM
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85. its the neo cons verses us
they want more of our money possessions and freedom.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:38 AM
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86. Woo you go.
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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:41 AM
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87. Won't happen. Obama can't win now.
The choice is now between McCain winning and Obama losing; and Hillary winning over McCain. Supporting the best person who will lose doesn't help our cause. I still think Kucinich would be the best candidate....but he can't get elected President either. So what's the point in supporting a lost cause?
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:53 PM
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140. Says who? You?
Count me in as another who has faith that Obama is someone who can overcome the onslaught of distractions and innuendo. In fact one way to do it I think would be for Obama to come out and say the Wright issue was a blessing from God (take that Rev. ;-)) because it gave him an actual personal example in order to reveal the MSM and the Repukes agenda of dwelling on the nonsense and ignoring the real problems of America.

Barack Obama is a special person who comes around very rarely, and try as they might, the MSM cannot and will not stop the Obama victory.
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Dyllyn Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:50 AM
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88. Guilt by association is the weakest argument I have ever heard Gobama
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concerned canadian Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:06 AM
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89. well said, thankyou

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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:10 AM
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90. NOT THIS FUCKING TIME!!! KICK DA THREAD!!! nt
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Chrisnreno Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:11 AM
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91. Kicked! n/t
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:28 AM
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92. I saw an anguished man.
Not only did Reverend Wright help awaken Obama to Christ, he performed his wedding, he christened senator Obama's Daughters. Think of the pain a man feels at having to separate himself from someone who has been a father figure through much of his adult life. The man in that press conference was not someone who threw Wright under the bus. Obama looked and spoke in a pained fashion. There is no denying that. He has maintained his composure throughout this campaign. Obama was reacting to having been thrown under a bus by The good reverend. The Reverend does not realize every word, inflection, gesture or phrase would be microscopically analyzed. Wright reckless Hollers out, (paraphrase) that Obama is being a politician undermines the very integrity that Obama is embracing. Rather than furthering AA chance of finally holding power, Wright has seriously diminished the first viable candidate for the Oval office.( Hopefully only temporarily.) So Obama 's statements reflect something larger than a politician doing damage control. He is a man denouncing the man who introduced him to faith. Faith shouldn't play a role but it is the white elephant that has become dangerously active in our current political dance macabre. Greater Issues are affecting our dinner tables and our means of support. It is time important to move toward ending this war and reducing our debt. Shouldn't we focus ourselves on holding trials for the war criminals?
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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 03:55 AM
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94. yup
:kick:
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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:30 AM
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95. Kick.
I'm with you...
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Fyddlestyx Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:42 AM
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96. K & R
:kick:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:43 AM
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97. Not this time ~
The business as ususal politics must not work ~ it's now or never to beat down the scum politics!

It's Time For A Change!
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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:56 AM
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98. K & R.....
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Mongooseflies Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:17 AM
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99. K to the Moththaf'n R
Barack the vote! :toast:
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:27 AM
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100. GOBAMA!
After the shit-slinging that was rampant here yesterday, this does my heart good. Today was payday, and I'll be sharing some with the Obama camp!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:57 AM
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101. kick
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:02 AM
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102. K & R !!!
:kick:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:06 AM
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103. I agree. But seriously, this election isn't fun anymore.
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1trackmindGOP Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:00 AM
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106. No it is not fun this is a serious fight..stand your ground!
Did you really think the controlling interest were going to give up without a huge fight? No this is not fun and games this is a revolution of the people verses the powerful controlling interests that has sabotaged our government and country...do not expect the election to get better, they will throw every scandal, accusation, lie, whatever it takes to retain their strangle hold...We MUST be just as determined as them. This is WAR and we must fight hard if we want our country back...even after the election is over we can't let our guard down...the problem is systemic and that is why Obama says he needs the American people behind him in order to succeed....One man can't take on the regime alone.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:56 PM
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134. This is not a revolution. It's an election
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1trackmindGOP Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:54 AM
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105. Absolutely agree
Obama is the best candidate standing and offers the best opportunity to take back our country from those who have damaged it so greatly. As everyone says...NOT THIS TIME. My eyes are wide open and I am not falling for the usual BS and distractions that have enabled those who have damaged our country to retain their control. For the people by the people!
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oneofthepeople Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:22 AM
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109. The War, The Economy
Obama said No to the War, Yes TO rebuilding our Economy for ALL AMERICANS.

The Media has done it again. Focusing 'away' from the problem. Had they focused on Bush's run-up to war, we would not have been in it. Economy would not be tanking.

The Media is gorging again on deflecting and "Wright" offered himself up. A gift to help Americans forget why we are in a war with no end in sight, and is it not the direct reason why Economy is tanking?

Go Obama. NOT THIS TIME . That I agree with absolutely.

If people cannot tear themselves away from the 'tabloid' press then we will get four more years of the same.

Vote Obama.

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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:14 AM
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107. K & R!
:kick:
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:22 AM
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108. Whenever anyone wants to infuse Obama's message with the Wright controversy...
throw up a thread that accentuates Obama's positive message. Beat back negativity with inspiration. Do not give into the cynics who want to stay on the path of negativity.

Obama's message serves all people well instead of the establishment. If we feel we deserve this moment then we must ALL stand up and do something to make that moment a reality. The crooks in this country are trying to take our country away from us and we outnumber them.

Everyone has to do their fair share to help "OUR" cause. This is bigger than one person. This is about us letting special interest slip right back in after 7 years and taking it or ALL of us standing side by side and pushing that special interest right over cliff.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:32 AM
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110. I truly want to thank Everyone who Kicked this message. Majority of us want the same thing...
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 09:39 AM by wowimthere
If we want a new kind of politics, we must fight for it. If we want fearless hope instead of the usual politics of destruction then we must push back. Wright is not an issue. State that clearly and loudly. Presidential candidates serve us and this man has served us well. It is time to take let the Right-wing and the Right-wing wannabes to shove what their selling. Cable news shows want you to continue to watch them. Turn them off when they go negative. Write them, call them if you must but push back. Continue to push back but always stay on this candidate's message of hope and we will deliver the goods to "us".
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:33 AM
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111. no doubt.
GOBAMA.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:35 AM
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112. We need to have someone to save this country and that's Obama
he is the only one who isn't linked into to the 'Washington Mafia'
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:36 AM
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113. Obama... is still BEST for this Country... by wowimthere
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 09:37 AM by polly7
I am new here, well new posting anyway and thought your post was brilliant. I didn't want to copy and paste it for some people who really would gain by seeing this and do something against the rules here, so wanted to ask your permission, also if such a thing is even legal.

Thanks so much:)
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:42 AM
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115. Polly 7 if the moderators don't have a problem with it then I don't. Spread the message
Anyone can take this message and spread it as far as it will go. Thank you!
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:36 AM
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114. ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE!
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:44 AM
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116. counter any negative thread by throwing a positive Obama thread up. This wil trump negative slime.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:45 AM
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117. K&R
:kick:
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:42 AM
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119. GOBAMA !!!

!!!!!!!!!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:46 AM
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120. Damn straight he is! n/t
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:51 AM
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121. K&R, everytime Hillary and the Republicans try to focus on the Wright issue...

it will become ever easier to argue that they are playing the politics of distraction, ignoring the more important issues.
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Sunnyshine Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:58 AM
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122. Obama 44! Take it to da House!
Strong side, left side. Barack is still THE best candidate to represent our United States!

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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:00 PM
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123. Hell yeah. GOBAMA!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:09 PM
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126. Excellent post, wowimthere,
Kicked and recommended

Welcome to D.U.:hi:
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:18 PM
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127. Thank you Uncle Joe
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:20 PM
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128. Let us all take back this country. SDs breaking for Obama are showing good common sense.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:24 PM
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130. What makes you think he will not leave a base in Iraq?
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 12:25 PM by Deep13
And why no remarks about whatever management ability he might have?
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chyjo Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:27 PM
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131. K&R
nt
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:35 PM
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132. k
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:58 PM
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135. K&R!
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:11 PM
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136. Yes, he is. n/t
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Kjaereste Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:13 PM
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137. Gobama!
Surely to God, when the dust settles, we'll have a clear distinction between McCain and Obama, and the electorate will demonstrate that it does have some sense after all.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:30 PM
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139. K&R
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:59 PM
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143. K & R
:thumbsup:
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:00 PM
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144. K&R
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holdensphonies Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:06 PM
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145. Go Obama Go!
The country needs his leadership badly.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:24 PM
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146. kick
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 03:56 PM
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147. kick
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Maineman Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 03:58 PM
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148. Inspire, organize, motivate, generate cooperation...
plus wisdom, honesty, integrity, and mutual respect.

Obama is the only one I see with these characteristics.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:02 PM
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150. No spluh!


Glovulously!

David
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Perry Mason Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:19 PM
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153. Really?
That's what best for our country?

Better than ending the war in Iraq? Better than civilized national health care for all? Better than ending the corporatist control of our government?

Better than all the other sound and moral principles liberals have again been forced to abandon as the Democratic party fields yet another couple of GOP-lite candidates to again prove nobody loses better than the Democrats?

I suspect your goals are too low.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:42 PM
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155. Did you really read the post? Come on. I don't think you did...lol...
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MadinMo Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:34 PM
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154. K&R!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:01 PM
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156. All these attempts to undermine Obama are laughable really, aren't they?
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 05:03 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
I mean, all he needs to say - making sure it's live and not editable - is, "Hey, it doesn't matter if I'm bosom friends with the Reverend Wright, or if we hate each other. It doesn't matter if I'm black, white or brindle.

When faced with the prospect of voting in an administration already robbing them blind, and showing no shame or inclination to desist, Democratic candidates could be Walt Disney characters, and people would still prefer them to any of the current crop of Republicans. It isn't rocket science. There aren't many people who don't have an instinct for survival, when they're being throttled alive.

Your noise-machine may say otherwise, but people know the reality on the ground - and at the gas pumps."
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