Maybe Obama understands now why so many gay people

[cboy4]

wanted him to apologize for allowing notorious homophobe (Rev. Donnie McClurkin) to deliver an anti-gay rant at one of Obama's campaign events.

Watch anti-gay comments (if you haven't seen them yet) --------> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dUp16hFzY8

That appearance by McClurkin harmed the gay community.

McClurkin is a man who previously said, "The abnormal use of my sexuality continued until I came to realize that I was broken and that homosexuality was not God's intention... for my masculinity."

That homosexuality was a curse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_McClurkin

People like McClurkin make it more difficult for gay people to achieve equal rights because he, among other things, preaches that homosexuality is a choice.

Rev. McClurkin doesn't represent the gay community.

Rev. Wright doesn't represent Obama.

Maybe now, Obama understands what it's like to have someone cause him so much trouble.

How does Obama like the media giving Wright a stage? -- You know, like how Obama gave McClurkin a stage?

Words matter.

I find this all very ironic.

[redqueen]

1. Has Hillary denounced her husband's pandering ad promoting DOMA?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. It's OK when white people do it.

[cboy4]

9. Your question has nothing to do with my OP. Please stay

on topic redqueen.

[redqueen]

10. I dunno... I think selective outrage sort of ties into it. (nt)

[cboy4]

12. I'm not surprised you so casually dismiss the

McClurkin incident.

[redqueen]

13. I'm not dismissing it.

Hasn't Obama come around and admitted it was wrong to keep McClurkin around?

Shouldn't Clinton do the same with respect to her husband's anti-gay ad?

[cboy4]

18. No, he hasn't admitted it was wrong....He said he didn't

agree with McClurkin's comments.

That's not the same thing, and is therefore, unacceptable.

[redqueen]

Yeah... I've been trying to find it... I must have misread something.

Sorry... I agree... he should apologize.

[Bluebear]

37. No, Obama has done no such thing.

[jobycom]

33. You'd do it for Randolph Scott!

The OP makes a great point about why some people were upset about Obama's refusal to denounce McClurkin. He doesn't promote Clinton, nor mention Clinton. He doesn't even say "Don't vote for Obama because (insert insult here)."

He just makes a point about McClurkin and about why people were upset that Obama wouldn't denounce him, and ties that refusal in to Obama's recent denunciation of Wright.

[JuniperLea]

2. Wow... good catch...

This is a lot of food for thought.

Sometimes sticks and stones do less harm.

[Maddy McCall]

3. Excellent, excellent post.

K/R

[enid602]

5. does not make sense

Three threads today started by Obama supporters insinuating that Hill is a lesbian. Kind of like the way they court latino voters, then go crazy re: NAFTA and immigration.

[LoZoccolo]

4. I think that analogy is flawed, though. n/t

[2rth2pwr]

6. If McClurkin insulted Obama's ego then you would hear something.

Other than that, no chance.

[cboy4]

7. Yea, you're probably right.

It's all me, me, me.

[Umbram]

11. I bet he's thinking that over this very moment. Or maybe even reading it here, right now. (nt)

[nichomachus]

14. Wow -- 400 DU threads on Rev. Wright -- Karl Rove says Mission Accomplished!

[cboy4]

20. I'm sure Karl Rove doesn't have a problem with homophobes

performing at campaign events either.

[nichomachus]

24. Not if it gets his gal elected

[cboy4]

25. Interesting. Well the last time I checked, only one of the

two candidates is guilty of allowing a notorious homophobe to perform at a campaign event.

And it sure as hell wasn't "his gal."

What does that say nichomachus?

[nichomachus]

28. Well, she did have her picture taken

while she was massaging Richard Mellon Scaife's ass with her lips. He's not only a homophobe, he tried to destroy her family and her husband's career.

[cboy4]

29. That was a nice try nichomachus, but again, Hillary

did not allow a notorious homophobe to perform at a campaign event.

[nichomachus]

30. But she loves them just the same

Barack Obama isn’t the only Democratic candidate who should be called out for his anti-gay associates. As Paul Jenkins points out Hillary Clinton has also taken up with some queer bedfellows, including Reverend Harold Mayberry.

In this game, all candidates have been associated with homophobes. For instance, Hillary Clinton recently trumpeted her friendship with Harold Mayberry, of the First African Methodist Church in Oakland; her press release on the meeting/endorsement left out the fact that Mayberry believes homosexuality to be comparable to thievery.

It’s true, the Oakland-based Methodist, once said, “I’m not rejecting people. As God loves, we love. I don’t reject thieves, I reject thievery.” Too bad Clinton didn’t reject Mayberry’s endorsement.

[cboy4]

31. Can you please post a you tube video of Harold

Mayberry spewing anti-gay hate at a Hillary Clinton campaign event?

Or even a quote of him spewing anti-gay hate at a Hillary Clinton campaign event?

Thanks in advance.

[nichomachus]

32. She's much more devious about it -- but that seems to be a Clinton trait

I wasn't aware that homophobia only counts if it's on YouTube. Try as you may, you can't absolve your girl from her ass-kissing with right-wingers, theocrats, and homophobes.

[cboy4]

35. Okay, forget you tube. Can you post any home videotape,

a cell phone photo...a newspaper article -- anything to indicate that a notorious homophobe spewed anti-gay hate at a Hillary Clinton campaign event?

I didn't think so.

[boppers]

56. WTH are you talking about?

McClurkin performed at a Clinton *convention*.

[jobycom]

34. And yet there's Obama, taking Karl Rove's advice on how to handle Wright.

"2. When you get into trouble, pick one, simple explanation. And stay with it. Take the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. You said you weren't sitting in church when he said those ugly things. Two days later, you excused him, saying his comments didn't give "a well-rounded portrait" of him. Two days after that, you condemned his statements as "not only wrong but divisive" but still couldn't "disavow him" any more than you could your grandmother. Ten days later, you implied if Wright hadn't retired, you might have left his church. It would have been better to say from the start that Wright's words were wrong and offensive and you should have spoken out earlier. The applause would have been deafening."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/134322

I'm sure it was just a coincidence that Obama did exactly what Rove advised just after Rove advised it.

[cboy4]

36. Oh my.

:wow:

[ronnykmarshall]

15. This is the first time I've really watched Miss Donnie.

I wonder who got to keep all of those purses that fell out of his mouth during that speech?

[cboy4]

19. No, no ... he's STR8T

LOL

[Bluebear]

39. Swoon!

:puke:

[PBS Poll-435]

48. WHOA

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[AndyA]

16. Yeah, I'm still waiting for that apology, Barack.

It's the LEAST you can do.

[FreeState]

17. Me too n/t

[IndianaJones]

21. no...he doesn't. nt

[dailykoff]

22. Another breakthrough in narcissistic self-infatuation.

Did it ever occur to you that there's more at stake here than your personal life?

[IndianaJones]

23. you guys are the best...the best. nt.

[cboy4]

26. Spoken like a true humanitarian

:puke:

[Bluebear]

38. Yes, gays are narcissistic, self-infatuated nuisances, aren't we?

[dsc]

40. did it ever occur to you

that gay white men are the only white men who vote in a majority for Democratic candidates (upwards of 7 to 3)? Given that you might, just might, want to pretend to care about our issues.

[hulklogan]

41. Pat Robertson? Is that you?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CJUPdkQd0qA&feature=related

The militant straights around here make me want to break something sometimes.

[racaulk]

42. ..|..

[Bluebear]

46. You said it!

[WillParkinson]

47. Wow...

Have you ever considered that perhaps our personal lives are just as important to us as any reasons you have to vote are important to you? Nah, probably not, because you're too self-absorbed to think that maybe we might worry about ourselves from time to time.

[Toasterlad]

51. Holy Fucking Christ.

When you give up all the rights you enjoy as a straight person that I, as a gay person, do not have, then you can lecture me on what's "more at stake". Until then, please get colon cancer and die.

Thanks!

[DarkTirade]

52. If this party isn't willing to stand up for basic human rights, then how exactly

are they any different than the people we're trying to get out of office?

[ruggerson]

53. From the poster who brought us "Hillary is a lesbian" threads

[NMMNG]

55. Funny

Whenever anybody makes a peep that can remotely be construed as "racist" the Obama supporters start screeching about their personal lives and even threatening riots. So why is it that your constantly taking a big steaming dump on people who don't even have full civil rights? Don't you get it yet? This isn't about fucking. This affects everything in our lives. If you can't grasp that you need to go buy a clue.

[racaulk]

57. Kicking again...

Just so more people can see your assholish comment.

This isn't about our "personal lives." My personal life is fine, thanks. I have a great circle of friends, a loving partner, a great job, etc. My "personal life" is of zero concern to me in this election.

Get a fucking clue.

[racaulk]

58. kick

[aquart]

27. Bet he doesn't.

[yardwork]

43. I agree with you. I decided to support Obama after all.

Obama made a terrible mistake when he pulled McClurkin into his campaign in South Carolina. After many months, I decided that I preferred Obama to Hillary, but I will never forget McClurkin, or the disgraceful behavior of many posters on DU.

[Seabiscuit]

44. Yup. Obama's "chickens have come home to roost". What goes around comes around.

[Bluenorthwest]

45. Here's my take

Ok. If Obama had dealt with the McClurkin slanders in the correct way, he would have paved the road for dealing with Wright. I sent so many letters to Obama's campaign during McClurkin saying, you need to build a strong wall between church people and politics, and do so now, in order to win. They replied by saying they needed money.
Imagine if you will, honest Obama backers, what position the Senator would now be in if he had even half of the GLBT voters he lost, even just in CA and NY. More delegates, more votes. He threw those away, willingly. Think about that. He's gone on FoxNews, because they reach a large audience? But he can afford to reject the GLBT vote, out of hand?
All the Senator had to do about McClurkin was say he was sorry and there would be no more such slanders spoken in Obama's name. Instead, Obama has characterized McClurkin's blatant attacks as some sort of 'dialouge' that he promises to continue. A one sided attack by a bigoted cultist upon people not present and not represented is not a dialouge, and Harvard does in fact teach the meanings of words like dialouge.
Here is what Obama did with the McClurkin/Caldwell/Sister,Sister events: he baited a hook with a minority held in contempt by religious bigots in order to pander to those voters. Minority baiting, with a cross around its neck, a Rovian Republican speciality. Then he said that voters in Penn who are religious bigots are clinging to the prejudices out of bitterness. So either he knew he was baiting bitter bigots in SC or he sees bigots who hate gays as somehow ok and bigots who won't vote for Obama as a real issue.
All he had to do is apologize and he'd have gotten millions more votes, and he would hold the nomination now. Deal with it, Obama supporters. Let's take Nevada. While your side blathered about in casino caucuss to try to milk a few more votes, Obama let his slurs stand. Las Vegas has several gay people who are flat out legends there. Billions of dollars brought in by gay talent, supported by gay talent. In 'sin city' many hetero breads are buttered by gay people. And what if Obama had gotten even half of the votes he lost?
Let's think about NH, even. Oh, many were sure the vote was fixed! No one thought for a second that NH had just proudly passed some great civil union laws for its GLBT citizens, and so many may have been turned off by Obama's parade of Evangelical hate mongers. Few Democrats really like the Religion thing in the political arena. Very few indeed. One can not win on the votes of McClurkinite bigots alone.
Obama willingly dismissed millions of loyal Democratic voters, by insulting us and refusing to either apologize or even promise he'd do no more of that. He has not even said it was a mistake to allow open anti-minority speech at his events, not even that.
But a man who both produced the most religious Democratic events I have ever seen and then criticized religion in other regions certainly has some explaining to do on the subject. Seems to me if the bigotry harms others, Obama is fine with it, but if it harms Obama, it is bitter clingy and calls for renouncing.
All he had to do was say he made a mistake he would never repeat. He refused and refuses. He is costing himself the White House over a bunch of ministers and Evangelical con men. At least he won't get Cooties from those nasty gay votes!

[IndianaGreen]

49. What about Hillary laughing at the pansy remark by NC's governor?

"pansy" is a gay slur.

[krkaufman]

50. Replying to let you know that, yes, your post is not invisible.

So there must be some *other* reason you're not getting any responses.

[Beausoir]

54. Obama hired an ex-gay clown to pander to his bigots. No question. Case closed.

He is never getting my vote.