Now Sharpton's pissed at Obama!

[AnnieBW]

Yes, it's from the NY Post. I'll have to disinfect my monitor after I close the link...

SHARPTON RAPS OBAMA

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04292008/news/regionalnews/sharpton_raps_obama_108577.htm

Barack Obama made a call for nonviolence in the aftermath of the Sean Bell verdict - infuriating the Rev. Al Sharpton, who accused the presidential candidate of trying to "grandstand in front of white people," sources told The Post.

During what a source described as a "heated" phone call yesterday, Sharpton told Obama he was disappointed with the Illinois senator's words on Friday, when Obama said "resorting to violence to express displeasure" was "completely unacceptable and counterproductive."

[DJ13]

1. Barack Obama made a call for nonviolence in the aftermath of the Sean Bell verdict

Funny, but if I remember Sharpton's own press conference after the verdict I believe he was calling for non-violent protests himself.

So its bad if Obama says the same thing?

[scheming daemons]

2. Like Wright...Sharpton doesn't like losing the limelight to Obama.....

[IndianaJones]

12. is this the old crabs in a barrel thing you Obama supporters talk about? nt.

[indimuse]

31. Sharpton doesn't like losing to WRIGHT!

...

[genna]

32. Some detail is missing from this story.

How reputable is the New York Post?

[NJObamaWoman]

3. See black people can't win. Its always the crabs in the bucket stuff

[grasswire]

7. crabs in the bucket?

Do tell. I don't know what that means.

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[anigbrowl]

76. No it isn't.

You can hear that one in just about any fishing community. I don't know why I'm even replying to this ill-informed bullshit.

[NJObamaWoman]

24. It just means that when one black person tries to get out of the "ghetto"

there is always someone trying to pull that person back down. Its hard in black society. I feel that white people don't have the issues that we as blacks face. There are so many fucked up issues we have coming from the plantation days. In America there are some black kids who feel that if you do great in school or don't speak ebonics than your a sell out/trying to act white. There are divides in terms of skin tones. The paper bag test if your lighter than the bag you are a better black person. If your hair is long and straighter naturally than your considered better (good vs bad hair crap). You even have black people from Haiti, Africa etc coming over and acting as if they are much better than American Blacks. I can go on and on but we have some fucked up issues in my culture that we have to work hard at solving.

[msallied]

38. I have heard of that.

There are also similar divides among a lot of ethnic groups. The caste system in India is a pure example... your worth is judged by how light or dark you are, etc. Lighter is better. I just don't get this mindset...

[NJObamaWoman]

Oh I know and unfortunately I will never visit India for this reason

I read this article a few months ago about young women who are lower in the caste level prostituting themselves and they end up getting HIV. Alot of these women are so young more like children than an actual woman. But they need food and shelter. I know this goes on all over the world and its wrong to no visit India but I'm against the caste system. I even get made at my indian friends because I hate when they talk about Western beauty standards. I had a friend who got a nose job, a korean friend who got the eye surgery. IMHO I black this on Western society and the need to not examine what is true beauty. We glorify the Brittney's, Paris, Pamala's etc of the world but we don't care about other races. Take a look at TV some of the most popular TV shows don't include diverse characters. Its rare to watch TV shows that include a diverse cast in which characters aren't some stupid stereotype. Magazines is another problem. How many black or even minority women are on some of the world's top magazines?

Again this is why I'm starting to become disillusioned with this party. We continue fail to talk about race and what we can do to promote all races.

[liberalcanuck]

40. I wanted our people to have an honest debate about who speaks for us

(and why we need anyone speaking for US anyways). I've had a problem with Sharpton for a long time, and like so many others, have tired of him acting as if he speaks for all black folk.

I just didn't want that debate to happen right now. :argh: :argh: :argh:

[NJObamaWoman]

62. Oh I agree. I'm not a fan of his either. I respect him and Jackson

but I think at times these men have done things to hinder our community. I think we need to start talking about how WE as blacks are to blame for some of our struggles as well.

[genna]

43. As a member of that same culture, I disagree with the ghetto reference

It makes sense to explain intra racial issues, but I don't think that crab in a barrel reference is true here.

I have no idea what Rev. Al is up to with this case. I doubt the NY Post has given all the information in that story.

If Rev. Al is saying Obama is grandstanding in a political way, the NY Post hasn't offered us a context for the conversation or the context.

I also think that wedge politics in the American scene always creates tension in the community. Can we ever be good enough? Analysis and a lot of hand wringing.

This story needs more meat before we know what is really going on.

[NJObamaWoman]

61. Oh I agree its not just about pulling each other down.

I guess I stated that because part of me feels that way beccause I never cared for Al like others may. I think he does a lot of good work for the black community but I also think he has done things to hinder us as well. Anyway I just feel that Al in a way is jealous. I can't fight that feeling for some reason.

[grasswire]

45. I am sorry.

This is hard for everyone. It seems to be the nature of mankind to band together in groups and be in opposition to other groups. When we try to come together, we are fighting that nature. I, personally, will try harder to be in harmony. Thank you for the explanation.

[NJObamaWoman]

60. You know that really means alot. But please don't say sorry.

Action is more than words. Try to never let your actions lead you to having to say that your sorry. I'm still trying to learn this myself. Anyway I really do appreciate what you said. Its hard at times because when you see racism or even read about it..it makes me angry. I wonder are all white people truly like this? Do they really understand black culture and the problems this community face? Or do they feel that our problems are silly and not worth the time? I try to let go and think about all of the positive white people that I know and realize that not all white people are the devil. Just like not all black people are saints.

[grasswire]

81. Probably not.

You wrote: "I wonder are all white people truly like this? Do they really understand black culture and the problems this community face?"

The answer is probably not. I think I do in some aspects. But probably not. How could we? Rightfully, people of color may wish to keep some aspects of their culture and problems to themselves. Isn't this what Michelle Obama strugged with in her college thesis?

I do know this: More than a few times I have watched an occasion on C-span where the black community is together at an event and marveled at the closeness I saw there. We on the other side don't have that sense of kindly brotherhood and shared struggle. I have envied that.

[Doityourself]

56. Yep! Hair texture, skin tone, language! House mentality vs field mentality

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. My Fiancee Is From The Phillipines

She says there is the same phenomenon among some in her community...

When one of us rises we all rise...

[libbygurl]

72. Oops, sp. --> PhiLiPPines. nt

[Doityourself]

49. Damn, as a black woman I don't want to go there.I don't want to resort to the barrel syndrome

[WeDidIt]

4. This is turning into the best political move Obama could have ever

made.

[redqueen]

18. No shit!

:rofl:

[SoCalDem]

5. Act III nt

[EFerrari]

20. Maybe Louis and Jessie have walk ons.

[jsamuel]

6. If Sharpton is pissed at Obama, it is not because

Obama said "resorting to violence to express displeasure" was "completely unacceptable and counterproductive."

[IndianaJones]

8. and this was before Obama tossed Wright aside. nt.

[babylonsister]

9. So because Obama didn't call for rioting in the streets, he's now a bad guy?

Oh, another Rev takes his wrath out on Obama. He can't win.

[Cha]

21. But, maybe like Poster 4 says..

Obama Wins:)

[islandmkl]

10. here comes some votes Barack's way...

thanks, Al....


Cleavon Little: 'There's a new sheriff in town'....well, Eddie Murphy, for sure..

[book_worm]

11. that actually might be a net plus for Obama.

[knixphan]

17. Wright and Sharpton as enemies?

I'm pretty sure that improves his poll numbers in Indy and Kentucky...

[Nia Zuri]

22. 'course it is!!!

[crankychatter]

14. great

Well this is not good

Al Sharpton is greatly respected by myself and by the AA community for being someone that doesn't think he's better than the rest of us...

for admonishing Black leaders to never forget who they are or where they came from

Clinton tried to capitalize on AA prejudices characterizing Obama as "young, light skinned, smooth talking... arrogant..."

And at this juncture Uncle Al has to jump into the fray...

The Bell acquittal is a national disgrace and Al is emotional and over-reacting

fucking great... just wonderful

goddamnit

could you undo that for me? just sort of make it not have happened?

I'm going to end up catching this hysteria... and I ain't going there.

[Doityourself]

58. "Al Sharpton is greatly respected by myself and by the AA community "

Sorry, no he's not..he doesn't represent the entire AA community, and not all black people care for him.

[crankychatter]

69. did I say "all?"

nope

[NOLALady]

64. That acquittal has bothered me so,

I cannot get concerned about Sharpton vs Obama.

I have a 25yr old son. I live in constant fear for his life. :cry:

[NJObamaWoman]

66. See thats not right. I'm hearing so many black people especially

men question if they should even bother going to school or getting a job. Its sad when moms not only have to worry about their sons getting arrested but whether or not they will come home alive or not.

[FlyingSquirrel]

15. Call the WAHmbulance. nt

[asjr]

16. When ISN'T Sharpton pissed?

[BooScout]

19. This is Hillary's fault!

Well it will be as soon as someone thinks to blame her.:beer:

[genna]

47. Hillary will be able to benefit if she ONLY keeps her mouth shut and does NOT pile on.

[leftofcool]

48. Yep

[BklynChick]

23. being a black man in america running for president is a very difficult thing, he has to walk such a

fine line.

First he's not black enough, then too black, then not black enough, then too black.

[EFerrari]

37. After this, actually being president will be a piece of cake. n/t

[genna]

52. NO quantifiable amount of being black is too much or too little

I don't think this is a Rev. Al thing. This is an American nightmare.

All I want to do is wake up.

[progdog]

25. Sounds to me like

several prominent AA leaders are afraid of getting left in the dust. Egos abound. :shrug:

[liberalcanuck]

26. Who cares what Sharpton thinks? nt

[nsd]

27. Good. Obama must be doing something right. /nt

[AnnieBW]

28. The Bell verdict IS a disgrace, but so is Sharpton

Okay, I'm a middle-aged white chick who doesn't live in NYC. The Bell verdict was a disgrace. However, professional rabble-rousers like Sharpton, who just love to get their faces on camera, aren't helping to solve the racial problems in this country. We need to have an honest dialogue, not screaming in people's faces and rioting. It's not going to help anyone, and it's certainly not going to help in any appeals process.

[jenmito]

30. OH NO! Black people are now going to flock to HILLARY!

:rofl:

[genna]

59. What?

You are equating Rev. Al's opinion to what Black people will do?

Funny does not begin to address what that statement entails.

[jenmito]

73. Of course not. I just thought the point of the OP was that since Sharpton is publically mad at

Obama, he may lose some of the Black voters (which I don't believe). Sorry if I offended anyone and/or misunderstood the intent of the OP. :hi:

[Bucky]

33. Right on, Al Sharpton. Only a sell out would call for nonviolence

You know who I'm referencing, right?

[ShortnFiery]

34. Sharpton Pissed at Obama is great news!

The man is "a opportunistic caricature of humanity" who happens to be Black. No thoughtful person would regret receiving censure from Al Sharpton. :shrug:

[NorthCarolina]

35. So, Sharpton is angry because Obama doesn't advocate Violence?

Is America chock-full-of-nuts or what....... :crazy:

[ProSense]

36. Sharpton denies tension with Obama

Sharpton denies tension with Obama

[Aloha Spirit]

57. There it is. End of discussion. Thanks!

[genna]

63. tabloid journalism and shoddy journalism

I come here to get leads on true news stories.

The part that rings true to me 1st is: "The New York Post should either fire the reporters for making up a story that never happened or identify the source of the false information. If there was, in fact, a source, the Post should use the methods that every responsible newspaper in America uses to verify that what the source said was accurate. . Either way, it should issue a retraction immediately." Said King.

The second thing is how little credibility do you all have to think Al Sharpton has to instantly believe a story with so little specificity.

Even when I read something Bush says, I make sure the journalist has cited some reliable firsthand account in quotes. Don't they at least need 2 sources? I need more than a gut feeling that Bush is vicious to believe whatever I read about him.

[zulchzulu]

39. With friends like AL, who needs enemies

What is Obama supposed to say? Riot?

[Barack_America]

41. I certainly hope that Sharpton does not advocate violence...

...to voice political grievances. I certainly hope that he was not himself hoping for riots after the verdict on Friday.

[Aloha Spirit]

51. Nah he wasn't advocating violence. Just that it seemed like Obama's choice of response came off as

calculating.
I disagree with Sharpton on this, because it could get really ugly if people start rioting, but I also think it was weak for Obama to say that all we can do is respect the ruling and try to make it not happen again.

What he said was: "Well, look, obviously there was a tragedy in New York. I said at the time, without benefit of all the facts before me, that it looked like a possible case of excessive force. The judge has made his ruling, and we're a nation of laws, so we respect the verdict that came down," he said in response to a question at a gas station in Indianapolis, where he was holding a news conference.

"The most important thing for people who are concerned about that shooting is to figure out how do we come together and assure those kinds of tragedies don't happen again," he continued. ... "Resorting to violence to express displeasure over a verdict is something that is completely unacceptable and counterproductive."

[Hoof Hearted]

42. This day just keeps getting better.

Damn it all. I have work to do.

[SKKY]

44. Fuck Sharpton! And Fuck Jackson while we're at it!

A white guy from Ireland has done more for Blacks across the world than those two ever have or ever will. They can both go screw themselves.

[Aloha Spirit]

53. Ouch!

[Doityourself]

46. Obama would be right. Sharpton would be wrong. Again.

[frickaline]

50. Sharpton sides with Wright? Well, that says it all.

[Texas Hill Country]

54. haha, it just gets better...

[Jamastiene]

55. I have to admit. I'm starting to feel sorry for the fella.

He can't seem to win for losing lately. He can do no right, it seems.

[AnnieBW]

65. False Alarm

A previous poster replied that a REPUTABLE New York newspaper ran a story saying that Sharpton was not upset with Obama for his remarks. Sounds like I got Murdoched. My apologies.

[BootinUp]

67. oops. nt

[nichomachus]

68. Having Sharpton against you is not going to hurt you with about 90 % of voters

[crimsonblue]

70. Sharpton would know better than Obama.

Sharpton lived during the time of MLK, and as we all know MLK advocated violent overthrow of the government, and so did Jesus and Ghandi. I'm glad to see Sharpton pop back into the news, I miss his ridiculous race baiting.

[Tim4319]

71. I do not believe the NY Posts article.

I usually listen to Al Sharpton's radio show on a daily basis. However, I did not listen to it the yesterday nor today. One thing I can say Al Sharpton has been, is respectful of Obama, Clinton and McCain! He would have like to see all presidential candidates address the Sean Bell, Jena Six, Megan Wright, and all issues that deals with civil rights. So, knowing what I know about how Rev. Sharpton after listening to him on a daily basis, except the last two days, I do not believe this article. As a matter of fact here is an article disputing the NY Post.

<<snip>>
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2008/04/sharpton-denies-tension-with-o.html

The Rev. Al Sharpton is denying that he has a "heated" phone call with Barack Obama yesterday over the presidential candidates warning against violent protests over the Sean Bell verdict, as reported by the Post.

"Everything stated in the New York Post regarding yesterday's conversation between Senator Obama and Reverend Sharpton is false, and is either a fabrication of the Post journalists who wrote the story or the supposed unnamed source for the story," according to a statement from Charlie King, acting national director for the National Action Network.

[ellacott]

78. I listen to his show everyday and this story is a lie

The Post needs to be sued for their shabby journalism.

Sharpton was calling for peace before the verdict was even delivered. Obama's statement was that he had doubts about the judge's ruling but he accepted it. Sharpton disagreed with Obama as far as accepting the verdict.

Also, Sharpton is behind Obama's decision regarding Wright. He said that he is aware that the media will use this to try and cause a separation. He feels it's important not to get distracted and that the Rev. Wright issue was a distraction that had to be dealt with.

[GetTheRightVote]

74. As President Obama will represent us all as our leader,

He will not be representing only blacks or only whites or only anything.
He will be the President of the United States, our leader, our elected official.
He will be ours to share for better or worst and he must speak for us all with his heart in hand as one American to another American and the color of skin must not matter to him in this office or to us when he arrives there come January. We should not wish it any other way.

If we are to survive the past and grow into a better future together then we must do so together under his leadership. We should all be as a blind person not able to see the differences but to only believe in the possiblities of how great together we will be, how we together will save our children from an ugly war, how together we will stop a recession and grow an economy, how together we will be able to afford health care for all citizens not just the wealthy who can afford it, and least of all that we will be able to share in the 'American Dream' because with this election we will be saying to the world around us that in our numbers we are great enough to over come the past by electing a man such as Obama, to forgive each other for a better good, a new improved tomorrow, that we together will rebuild a great nation that we must share no matter what comes our way !!!

Power to the people and to our elected leader, our President.

[ecstatic]

75. Good. They are both right. Sharpton has a right to be outraged

and Obama has the right to call for peace.

[TexasObserver]

77. Old black leaders who came of age in the 1960s have mixed emotions about Obama.

Old codgers of all races like to fantasize that they will always be THE MAN. When they realize their time has passed, and they are part of a fading memory, they sometimes act a fool.

Old codgers like Jeremiah and Al still think they're one part MLK, one part James Brown. They're living inside memories that are 30-40 years old. They resent tall, urbane, well educated Obama, and they resent that he is widely accepted among whites under 40.

There's nothing quite as ugly as old people who don't know when to step aside and salute the generations behind them. Cheney, Hillary, and McCain are all of that group, and exemplify it.

[barack the house]

79. Has Sharpton lost his mind why would Obama condone unlawful ehaviour as a lawmaker. odd.

[barack the house]

80. HOPEFULLY, this is spin.