Ok, now that Barack Obama has distance himself frorm Rev. Wright

[Tim4319]

can we please drop this connection, and get on to the issue at hand?

I was watching to CNN and saw Barack holding a press conference distancing himself from Rev. Wright. He stated he was angered by the comments, and made it clear that those comments are not anything he agrees with.

Is it possible the subject matter can move to attempting to occupy the White House for the next 4 to 8 years?

[MNDemNY]

1. Too damn late.

It stretches the bounds of belief to think that Obama is truthful when he say's he had been unaware of his pastors world view, until just recently. Obama is running on "judgment", this is not good judgment.

[Lucinda]

13. Yup. It may make his base feel better...but that's about all it will accomplish.

It's not going anywhere. The Reps and the media will drag this up every time he moves.

[MNDemNY]

15. And we shall hear from the good reverend again ...soon.

[cliffordu]

46. The thing I really LOVE about Hillary.......? (Tuzla)

[zulchzulu]

17. Using Wright to trash Obama is now gone...sorry for your loss...

:rofl:

[MNDemNY]

21. Don't you wish.

Now we must get to the bottom of...What did he know, When did he know it?His claim of being unaware is hogwash. And I'm quit sure the good reverend will have some more to say.

[MNDemNY]

23. I seem to remember you saying much the same thing...

2 months ago after his "race speech" Not so much then, not so much now.

[casus belli]

43. Your hate and distrust are telling...

good luck with that.

[Eurobabe]

2. can we get to the issues we've been distracted from for months?

puhlease?

[Apollo11]

3. If you support Obama, please learn how to spell his name

It's B-A-R-A-C-K B-)

[Tim4319]

8. Sorry about the mistake

I will make note of it from this point forward!

[joeybee12]

4. Some people will move past it, some won't...they made up their minds

before today, and for others they might make up their minds today. IF wright stays out of the news and lays low, it probably won't be that much of an issue...I just think the guy's ego is too big to just let this drop.

[CTyankee]

5. Haven't seen it yet but my gut says this was a good move on his part.

Now the focus will shift. Wright needed to "get the hook" and taken off center stage.

Talking point tonight on Tweety will probably be: He did what he had to do. Tweety looked pained last night. Pained and angry. I think tonight he'll be relieved. But count on one of the RWers, probably Buchanen, trying desperately to keep this thing spinning, saying something late "It won't do any good. It's too late, yada yada." Mark my words!

[Tyler Durden]

6. Do you really think Obama is not now "damaged goods?"

In the past this was his Spiritual Mentor, he couldn't say enough WONDERFUL things about him...now, has Wright magically become psychotic? Is this NOT what was in his sermons? I don't see anything different.

Obama has distanced himself from Wright like a Cormorant distanced itself from the Exxon Valdez oil slick. This is the beginning of the end, and if the partisans insist on him, and get him, he WILL be defeated, and we WILL have President McCain.

Take a minute, take 3 deep slow breaths, close your eyes, and tell me I'm wrong.

[theoldman]

7. OK, you are wrong.

Obama has not changed his opinion of Wright. He is just doing what he has to do politically to gain the white vote. Virtually all blacks will still support Wright AND Obama. If you don't understand this, you don't know politics.

[SeaLyons]

9. white voters aren't nearly as naive as you might think...

they get the drill.

[haymakeragain]

12. The dog whistle you mean?

I got the drill and I reject it.

[Tyler Durden]

27. Disciples always do.

That's why Jonestown and Heaven's Gate worked.

[haymakeragain]

30. Can I get a clarification?

this sub-thread is getting a bit convoluted. Are you calling me a cultist because I reject the whole black/white dog whistle paradigm?

[Tyler Durden]

32. No, only a dedicated supporter, who does not yet see how bad this is.

This is going to be the wedge issue that steals the 10% of the vote that will elect McCain. This was much, much closer than you thought, and now it's going to kill us if we aren't very careful.

I want to know what else Senator Obama hasn't told us about.

[haymakeragain]

35. I have respected your opinions for a long time, I really would

rather have this conversation with someone else, but here goes. why the fuck does Obama have to prove he's christian? Now, why the fuck does Obama now have to prove he's the right kind of christian? why the fuck does Obama have to defend every goddamn thing his pastor says?

what religion is McSame? what church does he go to? What church does Hillary go to and what's the deal with that fundamentalist little cult-like group she attends?

Who you gonna fight for? Who's pristine enough for you to fight for against this ongoing patently phony religious/family/jingo distraction bullshit?

This Wright stuff is bullshit in reality, but obviously keeps you from siding with Obama. so who's the perfect candidate?

[Tyler Durden]

37. We don't have a good candidate in my mind.

And I'm not a Christian; I don't care if a candidate is a Satanist as long as he'll end the war and fix the fucking health care system.

Both of these campaigns have made a mockery of this primary. The DNC has shown themselves to be worse idiots than they have ever been in the past: Howard Dean should be tarred and feathered.

What I'm sick of is losing elections. I see all the earmarks of the McGovern Campaign at its most naive in the campaign of Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton is a shyster in every sense of the word, but she just might be (and I use this in the most positive way) a big and nasty enough BITCH to eat McCain's lunch: maybe she'll make him lose his temper and throw a punch at her, I don't know.

I do know I'm sick of surprises from the new kid on the block. I'm at the point that if while he was on stage his HEAD split open and a flying saucer came out and flew around the room I'd only be marginally surprised. I thought I'd seen EVERYTHING in an election, but NOW this guy has his own walking talking nasty ass NEMISIS who used to be his Spiritual Advisor, His minister, and has had his BOOKS dedicated to him? McCain must be coming in his pants.

My spin? An Obama candidacy at this point is a GIFT to McCain. I never thought he had a big shot, but NOW?

This, I firmly believe, is much, much bigger than any of you think. I applaud your loyalty, but I cannot but believe at this point it is misplaced.

Thank you for your words, I hope this does not alienate us.

[RamboLiberal]

22. Let's get back to imaginary sniper fire

Has sleep-deprived Hillary fully explained that whopper?????????

[Tyler Durden]

28. Don't think we're talking about Clinton here, sporto.

I love all the Obama Supporters calling the female candidate by her first name. It's so cute and respectful.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

25. Honed by the Bosnia drill.

Everyone is up to speed now.

[Tyler Durden]

29. Hey, you guys are the ones that made hay on that one.

Just what did you expect?

[democrattotheend]

39. I'm white, I "get the drill", and that's why I support Obama

So does my whole family.

[Tyler Durden]

26. Actually, I've worked on campaigns since RFK, and you're wrong.

This is the beginning of the end for a new face who screwed up carrying baggage he didn't tell anyone about.

Don't presume to tell me what I know.

[Cha]

41. hilary's a fucking liar..you and all your so called

experience can't even get that through your arrogant head.

RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 11:17 AM
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SlickHilly's long list of lies, spins, and morphs.
1) "I support the DNC rules." ------- "Florida and Michigan should be seated as is."

2) "It doesn't matter if my name is on the MI ballot, MI doesn't count." ----- "MI counts and
others could have been on the ballot had they wanted."

3) "I lose caucus states because MoveOn and activists take them over and intimidate my voters."

4) "You don't get change by hoping or fighting for it, you get it by working for it." ------
"We need a fighter in the White House and I'm your fighter."

5)"I am honored to be here with Barack Obama." ----- "Shame on you Barack Obama."

6) "Barack Obama can't win the GE." ----- "Yes yes yes, he can win (but I'm better)".

7) "We took sniper fire when we landed in Bosnia."

8) "Obama won SC because there are many AA's there."

9) "My PA victory was overwhelming." (Though she was SUPPOSED to win and WAS ahead by 20 a few weeks ago and won by only 9.)

10) "If we had the Republican system, I would be the nominee."

11) "John McCain and I are experienced, Obama isn't."

12) "I want a Middle East security umbrella and will nuke Iran if they attack Israel or those under my umbrella." (So much for a new foreign policy approach because I gotta look TOUGH and get the Jewish vote.)

13) "I helped broker a peace deal in Northern Ireland."

14) "PACS and lobbyists are real citizens."

15) "I have lots of experience in the White House, but didn't know my husband pardoned Weathermen or invited Rev. Wright when he was repenting over Monica."

16) "Obama should disown his former pastor on principle, but I won't disown my husband for cheating on me MULTIPLE times."

17) "I'm the fighter for the people who takes PAC $, lobbyist $, worked for WalMart, worked for the corporate Rose Law Firm, and was close to convict Norman Hsu."

18) "I was cool to NAFTA then for it for YEARS and am now cool to it again."

19) "I am against the Iraq war but voted for it and won't say that vote was an error."

20) "I am a lifelong Yankee fan and my daughter was jogging around the twin towers on 9/11 so I was a very concerned mother that day."

21) "Obama is afraid to debate me." (even though we have debated 21 times)

22) "No, my husband wasn't having kinky encounters with Monica. It is a vast right wing conspiracy !!"

[Tyler Durden]

42. Hey #41! just in case you think you made a point, I have you on IGNORE.

So I don't see you at all.

[haymakeragain]

10. You're wrong, don't need the deep breaths.

Come on Tyler, I've appreciated your stuff for a long time, but why the bandwagonning onto something that is not important and is really only gotcha, Washington insider disconnected political doublespeak bullshit? Come on. Wright said those things, Obama said nothing of the sort, ever.

Are you Hillary or nothing, or do you have genuine worries about November, in April?

[Tyler Durden]

31. No, I'm NOT CLINTON or nothing.

As an older person, I do people I don't know personally the respect of not using their first name.

That aside, you saw the "Swiftboat" and "I invented the Internet" bullshit, and you call THIS small potatoes? We need every single solitary Democratic Party vote to win this one, and Obama fucked ALL of us, ESPECIALLY you, his supporters. He's come up as a newcomer with baggage with a BIG MOUTH. Do you think this guy is going to shut up?

Daniel Shore himself, one of the most astute of the commentators and no friend of Clinton called this a very big deal today, one that Obama can't make go away on his own. I think this is much worse than any of you think, and if you believe this isn't a MAJOR handicap in the fall for Senator Obama, you are whistling in the dark.

Maybe he can make this go away, without shooting that old man, I sincerely doubt it.

[haymakeragain]

33. Make sure you write your newspaper and flame it a bit more.

Cause in the whole scheme of things it is the most important thing in the world right now. CC it to every paper in the nation why don't you, it's that important.

[Tyler Durden]

36. I don't do that. So don't be an idiot.

And I don't give two shits right now WHO gets elected. All of you people and your flame contests and accusations have ruined it for me. I would rather, slightly at this point as I HATE centrists, have one of these Democrats versus McCain.

What's wrong with you anyway? Did I HARM you in some past life.

[Tyler Durden]

38. I take back the "idiot." I know you're upset.

I'd be too. I think you just may be realizing this could be a major disaster for Obama and the party, and it shakes you up.

I'm sorry for your sake.

[tridim]

14. No, but the media sure is.

[uponit7771]

18. ...YOUR RIGHT about the media. Gen x blacks are pissed! White pastors get to say the most horrid...

...things about people and America and don't get 1/8 of the time Wright has gottent in the last 2 months.

[Tyler Durden]

34. Oh THAT will work.

Time for damage control, and the first thing you suggest is lighter fluid.

[casus belli]

44. You're wrong.

Sorry, but you're neither a fortune teller nor a compass and history doesn't support your hypothesis.

If damaged goods were an automatic disqualifier, then the name Clinton would have disappeared from politics in 2000.

[LynneSin]

11. NO!!! GET WITH THE FUCKING PROGRAM NOW

:sarcasm:

[uponit7771]

16. Nope, MsM makes waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much money off the Obama\Wright connection!

[faithfulcitizen]

19. I'm certainly glad he quickly & firmly denounced Wright today. He needs to change the subject quick.

[MNDemNY]

24. The reverend will surely keep it alive.

[Tyler Durden]

40. That's the "killer" in my mind.

Even if this wasn't such a disaster, Wright does not know how to shut up, and he's obviously addicted to the "AMEN's!" and the applause.

This is really going to suck.

[MNDemNY]

48. And he is all kinds of angry at Obama.

[mmonk]

20. Apparently no. The Clinton plan was to knee cap him

for the convention and SD fight ahead. This has been an interesting exercise for me. The battle between the Clintons and their supporters and others in the party will continue. I'm not really sure what it means for the party. I don't know if the party can adequately be cohesive enough for a final push in years ahead when it comes to things such as civil liberties and the rights of people vs new interests such as the new version of the MIC called the Security industrial complex and the think tanks and corporations around it. I don't if the war continues between Dean and the DLC. I'm not sure where I stand anymore besides alone. That's scarey since I'm still in the delegate process this year. I do know the area of growth in politics seems to be the unaffiliated or independents though Obama's efforts have put some in our corner recently. I don't know if they will stay if he loses. It's all screwed up.

[anamandujano]

45. He kneecapped himself. Once again, she did not control his whole life,

make him associate with criminals, racists and unrepentant terrorists. Deal.

[BenDavid]

47. Nope! We cannot drop this because obama has not fully

answered the questions and the questions remain: Why did he stay a member of the congregation? Why didn't he speak up earlier? And why did he reward Rev. Wright with a campaign position even after knowing of his comments? As I read and reread the words of pastor wright, I keep thinking: If my rabbi ever uttered such hateful words from the pulpit about America and declared all Palestinians to be terrorists, I have no doubt I would have withdrawn immediately from his congregation.

obama said for the first time a few weeks ago that had pastor Wright not recently resigned as pastor of the church, he would have withdrawn. But that only reraised the same questions: Why didn't he act before the resignation? If he did not want to withdraw from the church – and I truly try to understand his personal difficulty doing so – then why not at least speak out publicly and say, in the famous phrase of the late Sen. Robert F. Kennedy: "No – this is unacceptable." Furthermore, after knowing about some of these sermons and having serious problems with some of their messages, why did Mr. Obama still decide to appoint Rev. Wright to his official presidential campaign religious advisory committee?

The questions remain and obama, WHY NOW?