Obama didn't look good in that press conference

[underpants]

and I AM a Obama supporter

He was slow and too reflective. He stuttered and stammered.

He appeared weak and vulnerable and trust me the Clinton will sieze on this like red meat. The MSM will too.

I'm not counting him out but they (both of them mentioned above) have been hammering on him and it shows.

I'm just saying.

I said even after Super Tuesday that she was still the odds on favorite as long as she could plausibly get to Denver. Looks like she found a reason (and the way the polls in In and NC are going)

I'm just saying.

[MonkeyFunk]

1. I dunno

I thought he looked OK. He always stammers, so that's nothing different.

It was a somber occasion - I thought he had the appropriate demeanor.

[MadBadger]

16. Exactly what I was thinking

I think was personally hit him was the "He did what he did as a politician" line.

[IndianaJones]

20. "He always stammers"...you are very observant. nt.

[NorthCarolina]

34. He stammers for the simple fact

that he KNOWS the media is just waiting to seize upon his very next "misspeak" and turn it into a 24/7 cable media circus. Therefore, he is having to calculate and parse every word as he speaks, causing it to appear he is stammering. I only wish that our media and political interests in this country didn't act in this manner as it would truly serve America better to hear policy instead of Rev. Wright, or the Iraq War instead of Flag Pins, but we have what we have and Obama is doing his best to deal with that until he is in a position where he can work to change the corrupt and flawed election process.

[IndianaJones]

37. he could just think first...then open his mouth. nt.

[Umbram]

70. Better than lying through his teeth whenever he can't think of anything better...

like some candidates are prone to do.

[IndianaJones]

72. he does that too though. nothing more obvious than a stammering liar. nt.

[Umbram]

74. Or a troll with an opinion (nt)

[dionysus]

91. rofl... zing!!

[Doityourself]

84. guess he should be a smooth tongued devil and talk about ducking sniper fire without a stutter..lol

[keep_it_real]

81. I don't think he uses notes; I think he speaks extemporaneously

So he's thinking on his feet.

[pnorman]

107. I caught a video clip of Obama,, a week or so ago.

He was speaking extemporaneously, to a small outdoor crowd and for pretty close to an hour. Manifestly unscripted, he spoke in a plain conversational style. But it was both clear and cogent, and it was a pleasure to listen to. The small group seemed to have shared my impression. Characterize Hillary any way you see fit, but he's a NATURAL!

The fate of the world hangs on our November choice, and it seems almost "shallow" to pick a candidate mainly on such facile impressions, but we could do worse!

pnorman
PS: If anyone here ha the link to that video clip, please post it here.

[Doityourself]

83. agree

[roguevalley]

122. he found out his dad was an asshole. that is hard to assimilate. he

is not the kind of man, IMHO, who lets go of loyalty easily. Wright has a lot going for himself but I think part of him is a grandstanding asshole. His AIDS blather and the kids learning styles are stupid. He may be fine some ways but bad others. And, he is hurting Obama and he knows it. That is not forgivable to me.

[Labors of Hercules]

2. what are you just saying?

That you're an Obama supporter with no faith in your candidate?

Great.

[underpants]

15. Yeah I guess so

sometimes the big lie thing works even when you are looking for it

:shrug:

[Cha]

3. Jesus Hussein

Christ.

[Hoof Hearted]

59. Uh, that's funny. I might have to borrow it and use it for evil.

OK, not really evil.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

61. Mohammed Buddha Fucking Christ

*smiles*

[PBS Poll-435]

63. Sounds like *somebody* is out-matched...

nt

[livetohike]

4. That's not what I saw

:shrug: I watched it all, too.

[Adelante]

5. He looked human

I bet it touches some hearts.

[flpoljunkie]

6. Not what I saw at all! Just saying!

[oviedodem]

7. Seriously he just gave a live town hall like an hour before..

[FrenchieCat]

8. I think he looked honest and humble because Wright has caused him

to have to divorce him.

I think that OBama was not only presidential, but showed that even in anger, he demonstrates a remarkable amount of even temperament.

I think he did the right thing for himself, as Wright was emphasizing the difference in folks of different race and backgrounds, while OBama has been emphasizing the similarities of all of us throughout his campaign ( and even in his senate campaign as well as his speech in 2004).

Wright deliberately chose to say things that run counter to Obama's message, and so Wright did the wrong thing.

I support Obama, and I am most proud of him today for how he handled himself at that podium.

[2rth2pwr]

73. Next Obama will be coming for you and your husband.

[haymakeragain]

82. That's pretty obtuse.

Not to mention completely in character.

[2rth2pwr]

93. Maybe this will help fill in the blanks

"First they came for Barack, and next, they'll come for my husband, and then they'll come for me."

This is from her post yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5730040



edited to use smaller image.

[haymakeragain]

105. Hey, props where do, that was funny.

Maybe we can come together in the fall. The comic is dumb though.

[Apollo11]

9. "My Pastor for the past 20 years shares none of my basic beliefs. Who knew?"

I guess the Obama campaign thinks it is a slam-dunk case, and their candidate hit the ball out of the park by severing his ties with Wright.

Obama knows it's a weak case, and that's why he looked real nervous and hesitant answering questions from the press less than one hour ago.

[oasis]

21. Obama never knew that the Rasputin-like Wright was capable of such treachery.

After 20 years of contact. :eyes:

[Yossariant]

79. Sista Souljah!

[JackORoses]

10. you're just saying, huh?

Thanks for the concern 'Obama Supporter'.

[northzax]

11. really? you just questioned UP's support for Obama?>

it's not possible to support someone and feel they made a mistake or didn't look good at a point in time? must our politicians be infalliable?

[JackORoses]

22. are you serious?

You can't be a real Obama supporter and think that "Hillary has been the odds on favorite since Super Tuesday".

That is simply ridiculous. Super Tuesday was the last time that Hillary was actually still in this.
Everything after that has just been the winding down of her Ego.

[Cha]

29. Exactly...

There's no problem questioning tactics but don't go givin' hilary her talking points.

[Cha]

30. I know it's repeating but

it's a dupe.

[Barack_America]

12. How would you look if you had to sever ties with a close friend on national TV?

I think what you were seeing there was sincerity.

I don't fault you for not recognizing it in a politician though. It was rumored to have been extinct.


Great day in the morning! What once was lost now is found! ;)

[underpants]

14. That's a good point

:-)

[sunonmars]

38. hang on Obama was claiming last month, he and Wright were not close.

[bklyncowgirl]

80. Obama's problem may be that there's still a bit of a human being under the politican's facade.

Bill Richardson said that when he met Obama he seemed too nice to be a politician. He hasn't perfected the art of knifing an old friend in the back and doing it with a smile on his face.

It makes me think more highly of him as a human being, I just wonder if our political system is ready for that.

[tishaLA]

13. i thought he measured his words a bit too much too

but there were times--important times--when he didn't. When he said that Michelle agrees with him about Wright. When he said those weren't his ideas and that nobody who knows him can possibly think they are, etc.

[Eurobabe]

17. I thought he was reflective

but yeah he probably is tired. Tired of having to fight the MSM bullshit and the Hillary machine.

[Cha]

52. Precisely...and I'm a

little tired too, but, I'll bounce back and Obama will bounce back stronger.

[BeyondGeography]

18. The reporters in the room seemed to be pretty moved by his presentation

I know I was. It was about as sincere a performance as you'll ever see from a politician. Yes, he was deliberate in his delivery; he always measures his words carefully, even moreso in this situation.

Didn't look tired at all to me; in fact, I was thinking to myself how damned young he still looks after all of this. Eye of the beholder, I guess.

[redqueen]

19. Remember what happened when Bill got constantly slammed for getting that BJ and lying about it?

Yeah.

:)

[PBS Poll-435]

23. WTF does Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream have to do with any of this?

[e-mail]



:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P

[JackORoses]

25. you don't like being reminded of Hillary's lying, philandering spouse, do you?

[PBS Poll-435]

26. Ummm....Who invited you?

I sure didn't. But since you are here... have a drink! :beer:

The best part of high-traffic times is I don't have to see your sig pic!

:P

[PBS Poll-435]

31. And on a serious note? Why do you care? Bush

Has F'd this country royally and you want to be Nancy Drew and Jerry Falwell at the same time with regard to the Clinton's sexual histories...

Give it a rest already. Talk about missing the forest for the trees...

[JackORoses]

36. Bill gave us Bush. If it weren't for Bill's fuckup, Al Gore would certainly be our President.

It didn't take a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush,
It took a Clinton to fuck up so royally that the Country was willing to return to the Bushes.

Bill lit his match and burned the whole forest down.

[PBS Poll-435]

40. No. Gore messed up by trying to "be his own man.." before he found his voice

That is why we are where we are.

The 1990s were great.

I miss $1.00 gas, $1.50 milk and the country worried about where Clinton's damaged penis was doing vs. where Bush's damaged brain is doing. Daily.

[haymakeragain]

86. Lookout for those trees,

in the forest.

[JackORoses]

112. you are super dense if you think that Bill's escapade did no damage to Gore

[PBS Poll-435]

118. Bills "ESCAPE" did damage to Gore

He should have been campaigning beside him...

[JackORoses]

123. Bill did damage to Gore and every other Democrat running

Hillary threw Kerry under the bus to make her run possible.

Bill hangs with HW.

These are not loyal Democrats.

[PBS Poll-435]

124. Bill threw Kerry under the bus while crawling out of a hospital bed?

Really?

No.

More BS from the 'new' politicks crowd.

[JackORoses]

125. if you read what I wrote it says Hillary threw Kerry under

when he was getting attacked for "calling the troops stupid".
she stabbed him in the back.

[PBS Poll-435]

132. Which 2004 Campaign Stop Was That?

:eyes:

[JoFerret]

133. But you are obsessed. Interesting

.

[redqueen]

28. All I'm sayin is sympathy is a factor when the hammering gets to be too much...

I think we passed that point sometime last month. :P

:hi:

[PBS Poll-435]

42. Your Clinton crticism is like water on a duck's back....

A post-2AM duck passed out. :beer::beer::beer::beer:

:P

[redqueen]

45. That's not criticism, silly...

That's... um... something else? :crazy:

[PBS Poll-435]

47. You mean all those words I have to get through before I get to "the comics?"

;-)

[redqueen]

48. Hahaha... yes, something like that.

Man, I can't wait to see how O'Really conducts this interview.

I wonder if he'll dredge up any sexy pics or comments to slobber over. :P

[PBS Poll-435]

49. Then again....he might call her a secular-progressive....

I just hope there isn't a crystal ashtray around....

:rofl:

[redqueen]

51. Crystal ashtray?

What have I missed? Shall I do a search?

Yes... I can't wait... I'm going to look. :)



edit: Oh FFS. :eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

54. FFS?

Uh oh...THE EYES..

Didn't ol' dirrty bastard Dick Morris say that she threw one at Bill?

[redqueen]

56. For fuck's sake!

That was the stupidest shit EVER! :rofl:

Did he? I'm not one to stay up-to-date on the latest Dick Morris BS. :)

[PBS Poll-435]

58. Yeah...that was during the time when he and George S "turned towards the Aspens..."

:rofl:

[redqueen]

60. Bleargh!

You are being gross on purpose! :P

[PBS Poll-435]

66. Nah.....

It has been a long 48 hours. 39 1/2 of them working.

The humor lobe of my brain is just starting to come to...

[redqueen]

68. 'the hell kinda job do you have?

Screw that. Money's great but it's not that fuckin great. :P

Hope you get some rest soon. :)

[PBS Poll-435]

71. Accounting.....believe it or not...

Rest tonight!

[redqueen]

77. Oh yeah...

you were the one who knew all the details about that charity stuff. :P

[PBS Poll-435]

65. .

OOPS

[tokenlib]

24. I think we were seeing someone being genuine and decent..

He was thoughtful, measured, and heart felt. Some people may prefer the fake artificial mask on their elected leaders. I found it refreshing. If Hillary mocks it or tries more of her "as far as I know" or " we need to examine this further" crap--she will reap a backlash.

[azmouse]

33. Hillary has no human feelings.

Look how she stayed with a cheating husband all those years just so she could have the chance to run for President.
Maybe the word 'monster' in describing her was more accurate than we knew.

[azmouse]

27. Oh c'mon. It had to hurt Obama deeply

to have to disown his pastor. And remember, he had just listened to the interview of a pastor he trusted and the words used in that interview were not the best that Obama could have heard.

[JimGinPA]

32. Get A New TV & Change Your Underpants...

He was fine today.

[BlueIdaho]

35. Real human beings

are supposed to feel a sense of loss, experience grief, and may even display sadness when they are forced to end a relationship. This is what it looks like. The Clintons, being strictly political animals, are immune from any of these awkward displays of human emotions .

[Bensthename]

39. He looked upset. MSM has only commented on sound bites so far.

But yah he was having some trouble. I was thinking: get it out already....

[ginnyinWI]

62. I have only heard it so far--

and what I heard was a man who was angry, but in a controlled way. And very intent on communicating his message so that there would be no misunderstanding. Other than that, he sounded like his usual self.

[crankychatter]

41. I like Obama but.... but.... but....

just sayin'

you support your candidate like old people screw

[underpants]

50. Thanks

:rofl: that was funny and apt

SPot on

Lesson learned

[redqueen]

53. Hahaha what?

What does that mean?

You crack me up. :hi:

[ShortnFiery]

57. Yes, using the word "but" negates EVERYTHING before it.

If you truly support Obama, you've got a dysfunctional way of showing it. Perhaps you should join the Rev. Wright's fan club for throwing upstanding friends "under the bus?"

To me, Obama looked "saddened" ... I'm sure that seeing his Pastor posturing and discounting all that you hold dear was "very hurtful."

Hell, what would you expect him to feel and look like?

To me, Obama came across as intelligent, genuine and profoundly disappointed in a friend who "turned against him" in favor of his own ego.

Obama's comments today help me to like him even more!

Barack Obama is "The Genuine Article."

[woolldog]

43. I think he looked bad too.

He has a habit of dragging out his answers too much. Between this and the debate he's not doing well. But it won't matter since the media will only take soundbytes to make the news. And most people won't watch the entire thing. Thank god.

He needs to step it up when it comes to extemporaneous speaking.

[ShortnFiery]

67. Damn! You must have ice water running through your veins? Bet you could cross-examine

a 12 year old rape victim ... like your heroine did, back in the day ... looking refreshed and without breaking a sweat. :evilgrin:

[woolldog]

95. I will only vote for Obama...

will probably sit out the election if Clinton's the nominee. She's done some things that have irreparably turned me off. My vote doesn't matter b/c I live in a deep blue state.

That said, I'd like Obama to get back to being the strong candidate he was. Hoping he gets his "mojo" back....SOON!

[PBS Poll-435]

78. Fucking awesome word!

Extemporaneous



:toast:

[woolldog]

96. And I spelled it correctly too!.....I think.

:toast:

[backscatter712]

44. Edit: self delete.

[ronnykmarshall]

46. Zere can noot be any qvestionz of Him!

Zhis vill not be allow't. Now please drink zee nice glass ov tasty refrechin koolaid and ztop zis zillyness!

[Phillycat]

75. LOL!

:loveya:

[PBS Poll-435]

76. How do you say "Silly Season" in Bitter?

[ronnykmarshall]

85. Don't know

but if you say it like Sylvester the cat you'll get people wet.

[haymakeragain]

88. Stupid.

You say stupid. Here, I'll use it in a sentence: Hillarious supporters are being stupid as they act just like flying monkey brown shirts from the GOP.

[PBS Poll-435]

117. You sound worried. Lemme give you four numbers...

2016.

Thanks!

[Hoof Hearted]

55. Brave of you to say. He did look shell-shocked, but I'm not sure that's

the worst of it for him today, unfortunately.

[chimpymustgo]

64. Sorry you're taking so much abuse from your teammates for being HONEST. Obama looks tired and weak.

And he can't speak without a teleprompter. I seriously believe we will suffer a historic loss if he is the nominee.

[ShortnFiery]

69. See UP? When the opponents supporters are giving you "atta boys" you have to consider

what team you truly wish to play with? Did an HRC supporter encourage you to "be concerned" and "honest?" Sure, around the kitchen table is cool, on a message board? ... well, just perhaps you're just giving FODDER to the opposing team? :shrug:

[Doityourself]

87. If Hillary is the nominee, gear up for a republican pres. Her unfavorable ratings are off the chart

[Cha]

127. Yeah, you're real

sorry..for sure.

[frickaline]

89. hmm I don't agree, I thought he looked emotional and troubled perhaps but not weak

And to me there's really no such thing as "too reflective", particularly when dealing with someone you have known for 20 years.

[demo dutch]

90. This is nothing compared to what's yet to come from McCain, Rove & Co

[thoughtcrime1984]

92. I guess we're so used to Chimpy McSmirkers and EvilDick telling us

to f off and STFU, that we (as a society) think Obama is weak and is wrong. Well, fuck that. He looks like an actual person, a person who cares about other people. We must not waste this opportunity to elect a REAL President, one complete with morals, which is pretty unusual. We haven't had such a decent human being trying to lead us since Jimmy Carter.

[nichomachus]

94. Obama "stammers," while the lies flow like water from Hillary

Maybe he should have cried -- if I remember that trick works wonders.



Good luck with that democracy, people.

[rodeodance]

97. it comes down you mocking Hillary for BHO problems. Figures. nothing new

[chimpymustgo]

98. Why do you use that picture of Hillary?

[nichomachus]

103. I thought we were talking about how candidates "looked" -- see the thread title

[durrrty libby]

102. I'm sure you would agree that it's what is on the inside that counts

IMG]

[nichomachus]

104. FDR smoked -- and I'd vote for him again in a second

[durrrty libby]

108. Back in FDR's day the science was not in. Obama clearly has a weak character

Knowing how deadly smoking is

He did it anyway

The science shows black males are much more susceptible to developing lung disease

He did it anyway

Knowing his children could lose their father at a young age

He did it anyway


He has a weak selfish character. Not qualities for a leader

[nichomachus]

110. Bullshit

I know plenty of people who smoke and who have wonderful character. I know plenty of people who don't who are scum.

Can you even type the crap you type without puking on your own keyboard?

At least he's not smoking "Monica cigars."

[JoFerret]

128. Silly.

.

[BlackVelvet04]

99. All the stuttering makes him appear rattled

and like he's trying to grasp on something good to say. I know he can't help it but he might want a speech coach to help him with that.

[Awsi Dooger]

100. I thought he was too slow

I support Hillary by attrition but I'm trying to evaluate Obama more fairly, since he's the lopsided favorite to be the nominee.

Long before underpants' thread, or reading any related discussion on the internet, my summation was Obama was much too slow and measured, to the point it will be a theme when his performance is analyzed, along with the questionable political instincts of not denouncing Wright to begin with.

During that presser, from the perspective of ability to dig out of this, I kept thinking I wish the roles were reversed, with Wright as the candidate and Obama as the controversial problem. Obama may be an impressive prepared speaker but he's hardly an impromptu whiz and doesn't vary his tone or emphasis nearly enough. Like today when he used the word outrage it didn't sound like outrage. He could have substituted the word tickled and I'm not sure anyone would have doubletaked for a few seconds. Plus, it lacked a memorable sound byte, something Obama needs to deflect God Damn America.

Obama was considerably more emphatic and impressive regarding the gas tax. Listen to those two performances back to back and it's obvious which one he's more confident discussing. Unfortunately, in terms of November impact, Obama is saving his best for the trivial issue.

underpants always gives fair critiques. I wish we had more threads like this, instead of the desperate robo threads; "Why this is great for Obama..."

[madfloridian]

101. Hell, count him out why don't you?

Hillary got what she wanted, and you guys here are trying to humiliate him.

I despise the Clintons for using this issue. How dare they.

Obama proudly did what he had to do.

You surprise me.

[MBS]

106. I thought he was excellent

it was a difficult moment for him, no doubt: he looked somber. But I thought he was very good, and I admired him all the more for the way he handled this difficult moment.

[nichomachus]

109. Maybe he should have just cackled a few times -- that seems to please the Hillary gang.

[Unbowed]

111. I didn't see him, so I don't know how he LOOKED, but I heard him on NPR ...

and he sounded pretty, damn good to me.

[Tennessee Gal]

113. He looked and sounded pretty weak.

Candidates should act and sound angry when they truly are. They have that right and it would give more insight into the person. Legitimate anger is a good thing.

[Political Heretic]

116. Not everyone flails around and yells when they are angry.

Refreshing to see poise.

[Tennessee Gal]

121. Poise or dispassion?

I saw the latter.

The man is running for President. He has a right to show passion.

[Political Heretic]

126. You see what you want to see.

[Political Heretic]

114. Well you were wrong, the MSM has been saying exactly the opposite of you.

[ecstatic]

115. He was being REAL. Something the Clintons will never understand

But thanks for your concern :) :hi:

[Yes We Did]

119. It's hard to talk about someone you've known for 20 years and denouce tthem

I would probably look the same way. It must have been nerve racking. It looked difficult but at least his answers weren't rehearsed.

[Life Long Dem]

120. Why? Has Obama been giving speeches in parking lots like Clinton has?

[barack the house]

129. Media is the most powerful force in the world the negativity it can generate is something

those, not on the receiving end couldn't comprehend. That is why I was happy to see Wright clear his name. His church got bomb threats. I dare not think what Obama maybe getting considering he has family. They willl never give Obama a break it'll be worse than what happened to Clinton and it is shocking , I imagine the world is schoked they could never view this before, before the net. I hope he is stong enough to survive. If Obama or his people are reading this try to mediatate, focus on the emotion love and breath slowly when you speak it stops stuttering, I imagine this is overwhelming. Then think of the courage of King who went through similar.

Even as dubious as Heather Mills is who's business is it of ours, in her divorce. They have hounded her like crazy, that she does deserve the compensation of the divorce settlement. The media frenzy clearly half driven her crazy. And ultimately we have the power to stop it by switching off.


* note I have now seen the clip, he is holding up well and strong good to see. Just wish media would give a good man a break for a change, it would only do America good and the world.

[PurityOfEssence]

130. I disagree; I thought he was warm, honest, steadfast and very human

He didn't mince words, and he didn't grandstand. He didn't fluff the issue and not point out that he was taking it personally. The point that the biggest woe was from hearing his previous repudiation of Wright's actions characterized by Wright as just evasive politickin' made him seem genuine.

His tenor was straightforward, yet it didn't deny his frustration.

It was his finest hour to date, and I'm hardly a fan.

What a crappy situation to be in.

[barack the house]

131. I never watched it in honesty so good to hear he is bearing up wel. Very plased.