Obama's "Judgement" Comes Into Question:Re Wright

[oasis]

After being a follower of Rev. Wright for 20 years, Obama finally came to realize that the person he idolized was a narcissitic baffoon.

Can he continue to use the "judgement' argument against Hillary with the same intensity?

[Coexist]

1. what, I can't hear you over the sound her lying again, and again about sniper fire.

[oasis]

17. I think it's the Wright torpedo broadsiding the Good Ship Obama. (eom)

[niyad]

2. he also admitted he had bad judgment about rezko.

[bowens43]

3. He wasn't a 'follower' of Wright

are lies really the best you hillboots can do?

[oasis]

14. Rasputin Wright married Barack and Michelle and baptized their children. How

is it that Obama took 20 years to discern the real character of his pastor?

[niyad]

15. let's see, wright was his pastor, his mentor, his spiritual advisor, the person who performed

his and michelle'e marriage ceremony, and baptized their children. what word would you use?

[oasis]

37. Obama described the relationship as "close" and "like a family member".

But that was Obama's Wright Speech I.;-)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Well, she's been with Bill for 33 years.

You can't pick your family, but you can pick your spouse.

[DefenseLawyer]

5. Poster's judgment comes into question re:spelling

Hey if you are going to harp on Obama for something idiotic, I will do the same to you.

[oasis]

21. "Judgement" or "Judgment" are both acceptable. Care to answer the question?

[DefenseLawyer]

27. I won't play.

Your stupid "question" requires one to accept your stupid premise based upon your stupid conclusions. I don't think Rev. Wright is a buffoon. He's a preacher. I don't have much use for preachers one way or the other, but I don't accept your premise that he is a buffoon. I don't accept your premise that Senator Obama "idolizes" his preacher, or anyone else for that matter, anymore than I think you "idolize" Ronald Reagan. Again, I don't accept your premise. When you present a question based upon your own flawed opinions, which by it's very nature is designed solely to impugn Senator Obama, no one who isn't stupid is going to play along. But feel free to keep misspelling words and then pretending you did it on purpose. Very Clintonian.

[anigbrowl]

39. I disagree strongly with the OP, but not because of spelling

and I very much doubt you would raise an objection in court if opposing counsel stumbled verbally.

[DefenseLawyer]

40. Did you read what I said?

I said I was criticizing the OP with something "idiotic" i.e. spelling, because I found his premise to be idiotic as well. By the way, we aren't in court.

[Life Long Dem]

6. Not came to realize. But Wright came against Obama.

[otohara]

7. No One Died

billions of tax dollars aren't being thrown away.

We can do this tit for tat thing all day long.

[oasis]

23. "No one died" is your standard. "Judgement" encompasses a multitude of issues.

But you should know that.

[thevoiceofreason]

8. Learn to spell before you criticize

[oasis]

19. Learn to answer if you understand the question.(eom)

[thevoiceofreason]

22. Okay. Eyell spehl it owt fer yoooo

Yur "kwestshun" wuz a criticsm. Yur spellin sux.

Yes he can. You point out no lack of judgment. I am certain that we all have persons in our day to day lives with whom we continue to associate even though they are less than sterling. I disagree with such persons all the time. Mty secretary says inane things with amazing regularity. I could fire her, but I don't. In the overall net net, she is a good person and does good work. Rev. Wright said a few inane things in 30 years, but that was not a reason to jump to a different church - hell, my woman pastor is a firebrand and drives some of the old-timers nuts with her "Mother God" references and sermons form the "forbidden" agnostic works - but I dig it. Does that disqualify me from running for office? No. That is a stupid argument.

On the other hand, what Rev. Wright is doing now is using his newly-found stardom to make a point, and to emphasize his oneness with the inflammatory statements of the past. Thus, these inflection points have now turned into topics themselves. At that point, when these statements were no longer offerred for hyperbole but rather as statements of position and fact, Barack's decision to denounce was spot on.

[oasis]

24. Challenge "Webster's Instant Word Guide". I've no time for dipshit insults.

BTW, did I spell "dipshit" correctly?

[thevoiceofreason]

26. Is that what the D in Oasis D. Hillbot stands for? OK, you got me on that one

[thevoiceofreason]

28. And I did respond.

But we are drinking Hillary's milkshake!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. i dont really like obama but i love what i have seen of reverend wright

i find that people who criticize wright dont recognize that there are cultural differences in this country and in the world. i think wright has brought to light white cultural hegemony

i dont know wrights stand on gay people but aside from that, the little i have seen of him, i think he is right on the money

[oasis]

31. I would not feel uncomfortable sitting in Wright's congregation. But, alas,

I'm not Mainstream America.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. i liked most of what he said. i have said a lot of those things myself.

[tishaLA]

10. I think most people realize

that people often grow--and grow apart. When Obama was where he was, and Wright was where he was, 20 years ago, their relationship was undoubtedly different than it is today. Sometimes those relationships change so fundamentally that the divide can no longer be bridged.

[oasis]

25. Was it poor "judgement" to remain with Wright's church for so long?

[tishaLA]

30. it would be poor judgement to stick with Wright

when Sen Obama believes Wright does not have his best interests at heart.

[gabeana]

11. he sure can, he is not a member

of a conservative church "the Family" like clinton is, a church filled with members of the worst conservatives this country has to offer, Santorium, brownback just to name a few, plus this was a church in the 30's that had an affinity for fascism. I guess with your logic Hillary probably has fascist leanings

[cali]

12. first of all, it's judgment not "judgement"

secondly, he's never said he idolized Wright. Thirdly, it's a personal relationship matter not a policy matter. Same as hillypoo's marriage. So. yes, he can and should go after her repeated bad judgment calls.

[oasis]

20. Webster's Instant Word Guide has both spellings. But thanx (sic)

[fed_up_mother]

13. He was a member of a large church that was probably "the place" to be

for an up and coming black politician and his young family. He probably felt it was a safe place for his family.

Not a problem for me.

[indimuse]

16. I said this 6 Rezko's ago!

lol...wink.

[matcom]

18. thank you Pat Bucanan

:eyes:

[SeaLyons]

29. I don't think so....

[wowimthere]

32. Do you want me to list all of the questions of proper judgment that would cripple Clinton?

If Wright is it... then I'm okay with that. However... we should be examining more than Clinton's war vote. If she should pile on then she will lose the argument.

Obama

Wright (nothing there... we all know people we don't agree with even if it was for 20 years)
Rezko (Nothing there)
Aryes (nothing there)

No meat on these bones.

Let's go with some key judgment issues on Clintons plate.

Clinton

Iwr
Bankruptcy bill 1
Bankruptcy bill 2
Tuzla
Pardons
Pardoned two members of the weather underground
NAFTA Part 1
NAFTA Part 2 Columbia
Gun ownership
Lobbyist
Kyle/Libermann amendment


The list for clinton is longer. This is to name a few.

[Apollo11]

33. "My Pastor for the past 20 years shares none of my basic beliefs. Who knew?"

I guess the Obama campaign thinks it is a slam-dunk case, and their candidate hit the ball out of the park by severing his ties with Wright.

Obama knows it's a weak case, and that's why he looked real nervous and hesitant answering questions from the press less than one hour ago.

[wowimthere]

36. I guess this is all you've got on Obama... there are reams on Clinton, some not yet discovered

[Dyllyn]

35. Better to go to church than obliterate a country

Don't talk about judgment . Hillary voted for the war . She has run a terrible campaign and she's married to a guy who is still fooling around .........Come on!!!

[anigbrowl]

38. 'You go to church to worship God, not worship the pastor'.

As a Buddhist/Taoist, I don't believe in a 'God' as an individual agent, but I have no difficulty understanding this point of view. I revere the Dalai Lama, for example, while still considering him a flawed human being much like myself and feeling that China has some legitimate political positions in relation to Tibet which go unreported because it's fashionable to blame them for our economic problems.

Meantime, I think little of this 'judgment' argument, an attempt to compare apples and oranges. How many bombs have been dropped or missiles launched based on Obama's membership fo Wright's church? None. How many have suffered based on Congress giving Bush the benefit of the doubt?

[Skidmore]

41. Hillary's judgement came into question long ago....

like when she married Bill.