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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:10 AM
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Beware the man who refers to himself in the third person!
It's a sign of an ego out of control, too big for a mere pronoun like "I" or "me" to suffice.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Jeremiah Wright.

After the Bill Moyers interview, I was impressed with Rev. Wright's knowledge. He even used a word that Bill Moyers had
apparently never heard ("hermeneutics"). I looked it up. I was impressed. I wrote posts on DU in support of the man's
right to preach what he believed in, in spite of the fact that some of the things he said were definitely off-the-wall.

However, after the speeches he's given during the last few days, I no longer feel I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Much as I tried to not believe this, he is apparently an ego in a fancy robe, demanding that his 15 minutes be extended to endless TV appearances
which will culminate in a book deal, with said book to be produced and on the market, umm, say around ...November?

I was quite surprised when Richard Wolffe said, on Countdown the other night, that during Obama's book tour for "The Audacity of Hope," Rev. Wright was
present at one of the signings. Wolffe thought there would be great closeness and camaraderie between the two, given the way Obama obviously felt
toward the pastor. Wolffe said it was quite the contrary, that even back then he could sense a vibe of jealousy or anger from Wright, directed at the
fact that Obama was receiving so much attention and Wright was, in effect, on the sidelines.

Clearly, this is not a man who likes being on the sidelines.

When I saw the speech he gave at the NAACP, strutting and preening and over-acting, mocking the way the Kennedys speak (WTF was that about, anyway?),
and damning Obama with faint praise, I had to finally admit to myself what I was hoping wasn't true: Rev. Wright knows exactly what he's doing, and what he's
doing is trying to derail Obama's candidacy in any way possible.

Was he mocking the Kennedys because Teddy et al endorsed Obama?

Was he jealous because Obama is valued (among other things) for his great ability as an orator (something which, obviously, Rev. Wright prides himself on).

When the controversy first started, I admired the fact that Obama did not rush to the microphone and condemn his former pastor but, rather, tried to show
understanding - which was certainly more difficult to do than to just come out and totally disown him.

Rev. Wright, however, is not one to turn the other cheek.

I am literally sick to my stomach to read that, according to some polls, this Rev. Wright issue might be hurting Obama with the middle-class white voters he's
seeking support from before the next primaries. But I'm hoping that they will be able to see this for what it is - a self-centered, over-dressed, intelligent, well-
educated but sometimes misguided pastor whose ego has overtaken his principles - trying to turn the spotlight away from one of his parishioners and onto himself.

Yet even in a case as important as this, where Obama's chances of becoming President of the United States may be directly effected,
Obama's true character has shone through.

He owes no further debt of respect to Rev. Wright.
Let it be over.
Amen.





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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:11 AM
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1. "Can you smell what Obama's cooking?"
You better not see their statements to the WWE, I think they all do that. ;)
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bobbert Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:54 PM
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21. What Barack is cooking?
Guess you don't watch wrestling, but you were close.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:21 PM
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42. Oh my bad. Yeah, I saw it on Jon Stewart. nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:14 AM
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2. I do think ego is a part of it for Wright, he's human. But mainly, he's not media savvy.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:35 PM
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14. he is a self centered idiot... plenty of media pundits he is friends with BEGGED him not to do this
Roland Martin for instance... that guy BEGGED and PLEADED with Wright.


He knew exactly what he was doing.

It was petty and self serving.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:28 PM
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28. This much I think is undeniably true. And it was Obama who turned the other cheek.
Now it's time to forget about turning the other cheek and just outright MOON the guy!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:48 PM
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43. Not media savvy? Well, he is now - three major TV appearances in 4 days and a book
coming out in November...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:15 AM
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3. "Let it be over."
Can I get an amen?

The man DOES have an ego!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:31 PM
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12. Amen to the nth degree!
:hi:
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:16 AM
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4. Maybe this extra media coverage on Wright is good for Obama
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 11:17 AM by Cant trust em
I think that the more we see this character on screen it makes him more of his own person, instead of the guy that Barack Obama knows.

Or, like most other things, I'm totally wrong because I have no insight as to how non-internet politico blogosphere types think.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:53 PM
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38. "... the more we see this character on screen it makes him more of his own person, instead
of the guy that Barack Obama knows."

Oddly enough, I think Wright's unrestrained over-the-top performance has demonstrated very well that he has no connection
whatsoever with the Obama camp - otherwise, they would have been able to give him the hook.


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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:16 AM
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5. Bob Dole has a problem with your premise

Bob Dole thinks you're making fun of him.
That makes Bob Dole really angry.
You wouldn't like Bob Dole when I'm angry!!
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:19 AM
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9. So does Rickey Henderson.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:26 PM
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25. That's not the only thing Bob Dole has a problem with, if the TV ads are to be believed!
Viva Viagra, anyone?
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progdog Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:17 AM
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6. Great post.
I saw Richard Wolffe on KO also. He made the picture very clear as have you.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:32 PM
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13. Yes, he did. It certainly put what is happening now into a different perspective for me.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:17 AM
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7. Bill Moyers wasn't familiar with the word hermeneutic?
that surprises me, as he's a wordsmith. As I recall it's the interpretation of the arcane.

I largely agree with you about Wright. I had no problem with most of his sermons, but his egocentric insistence on hopping into the limelight days before two important primaries, is not admirable.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:14 PM
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10. Did you see the interview? I was surprised, too. Bill Moyers leaned forward and asked him
to repeat the word. Pretty hard to stump Bill Moyers on vocabulary, but it seemed new to him.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:33 PM
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45. That might have been . . .
. . . because he was saying, "hermeneuity" instead of 'hermeneutic.' I don't remember him ever saying 'hermeneutic.' He said "hermeneuity" multiple times.

TYY :shrug:
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:41 PM
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16. A first year seminary student would likely know the meaning of the word
"hermeneutic."
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:05 PM
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22. Probably, but people who are not into theology may not be familiar with the term.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:25 PM
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24. I thought Moyers went to seminary
I must be mistaken. :)
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:26 PM
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26. Don't know. But watch the video and see.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:19 AM
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8. Your post is an interesting take on Rev. Wright and one that I will have to think...
deeply about.

"After the Bill Moyers interview, I was impressed with Rev. Wright's knowledge. He even used a word that Bill Moyers had
apparently never heard ("hermeneutics"). I looked it up. I was impressed. I wrote posts on DU in support of the man's
right to preach what he believed in, in spite of the fact that some of the things he said were definitely off-the-wall."

I did the same thing, but you have now given me pause to rethink as well... hmmm
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:40 PM
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15. Thanks for the reply. I actually was so upset about this issue last night that I coudln't
fall asleep.

I initially thought that Rev. Wright comment saying, "He's a politician. He says what he has to say," was doing
Obama a disservice since one of the main reasons he is so highly regarded by many is that he is so unlike what we
normally think of as a politician. I thought that Rev. Wright didn't realize the connotation associated with the words he chose.

I was wrong. After watching the media blitz he's put on in the last few days and the almost obscene way he seems to be relishing
the spotlight's glare, I see he's fully cognizant of words and their meanings. He means to bring him down, for whatever egotistical
or self-aggrandizing reasons he may have.

Ain't gonna work, Rev.
This is bigger than you are (if you can have the humility to imagine that).

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:25 PM
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11. Psychobabble. Explaining Wright's motivations with armchair analysis.
"ego", "envy", "true character", etc.

Wright does what he wants to do, like everyone else, because he wants to.

Just as politicians lie because they want to.




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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:41 PM
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17. Of course he "does what he wants to do...because he wants to." What does that have to do
with ego, envy or character?

Talk about babble...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:45 PM
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18. So what was the
3rd person reference?

Good analysis, hop!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:09 PM
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23. Several times, he said things like "Jeremiah Wright does not do that," instead of just saying
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 03:50 PM by hisownpetard
just saying "That isn't something I do."

Reminded me of the famous statement issued to the press by Nixon - "Now you won't have
Nixon to kick around anymore."

That sort of self-reverential reference always makes me cringe.

What do you think, zidzi?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:43 PM
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33. It's weird..I just
hadn't heard his speech and wanted to know exactly what it was.

It's kind of affected and suggests a split personality?
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:48 PM
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34. He said things like, "This is not an attack on Jeremiah Wright," always giving himself
extra air-time and another plug.

You've gotta watch the video. Affectations galore, almost to a nauseating degree.

I just heard that Obama said he watched the videos and said, "That is not the person I met 20 years ago."
He also said that he had given him the benefit of the doubt (which was mentioned in the OP).

I feel so sad for Obama right now. He looks like he's lost a friend and, indeed, he has.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:53 PM
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36. We'd all be crushed..especially
with the intensity of a national stage.

Ya just never know, do ya?:(
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:56 PM
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39. Nope, you never do. What a disheartening turn of events. But I think the statement Obama
just made will take the wind out of the Rev.'s sails (and then all he'll have is hot air
to propel him)...
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:50 PM
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19. I enjoyed Wright's Press Conference - The Press Corps deserves disdain and disrespect
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 02:51 PM by crankychatter
no one ever gives it to them...

he was telling them they were of no consequence to him

that he couldn't care less about them... except to use the microphone as a medium to inform people differently about his church and himself... and his culture...

I liked seeing his wife, smiling... reacting... probably thinking "Oh, no you didn't...." and being PROUD of him

He's cantankerous, opinionated and incognizant of the big picture, perhaps...

I don't care... I hope Wright swears him in...
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:05 PM
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41. I understand your appreciation of that aspect of him. However, his exaggerated behavior and
unnecessary mocking of the Kennedys, Lyndon Johnson and anyone else he could think of went over the line, for me,
so that 'cantankerous' became 'obnoxious,' 'opinionated' became 'irrational' and the idea of him being incognizant of the bigger
picture became something I wanted to believe but could not do any longer.


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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:53 PM
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20. I agree that what Wright did was
one of the most narcissistic acts I've ever seen. He had no regard for Barack, and though I support Hillary, I can't help but feel sorry that this pastor felt the need to hurt Barack.

On the other hand, I'm pissed that Barack ran for office knowing this idiot was in the background.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:51 PM
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35. Should that honestly have kept someone as able and intelligent as he is
from running for President of the country?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:26 PM
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27. Bob Dole says Fuck off.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:28 PM
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29. To whom?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:34 PM
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32. Bob Dole says whoever is saying that speaking in the third person.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:34 PM
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46. Bob Dole wasn't born with a silver garage door opener! nt.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:30 PM
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30. mycritters2 finds this an interesting analysis. nt
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:31 PM
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31. hisownpetard is pleased with that comment.
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 03:31 PM by hisownpetard
She thanks you.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:53 PM
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37. OK, I have to tease you
Your user name is "hisownpetard" and people who refer to themselves in the third person are suspect? :D

Interesting analysis, BTW.

:thumbsup:
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:00 PM
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40. Good thinking, but: I'm not a 'him,' but a 'her,' and my screenname was referring to what I see
Bush as doing, namely, being "hoist by his own petard."

It's a long story...

pe·tard /pɪˈtɑrd/ –noun

1. an explosive device formerly used in warfare to blow in a door or gate, form a breach in a wall, etc.
2. a kind of firecracker.
3. (initial capital letter) Also called Flying Dustbin. a British spigot mortar of World War II that fired a 40-pound (18 kg) finned bomb, designed to destroy pillboxes and other concrete obstacles.
—Idiom
4. hoist by or with one's own petard, hurt, ruined, or destroyed by the very device or plot one had intended for another.


2 months ago
Source(s):
dictionary.com : petard


:hi:
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:06 PM
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44. LOL. Very Shakespearian
And quite apropos for the B*shco war engineers:

For 'tis the sport to have the engineer
Hoist with his own petard


My username is a 20th century literary allusion from Rex Stout: The Doorbell Rang.

Shakespeare and Stout, like reality, have a well known liberal bias. :hi:
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:38 PM
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47. Add me to the list of people who have a liberal bias. Fer shur.
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