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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:44 AM
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The WaPo Editorial on Wright is dead-on.
With all the hyperbole being thrown around, I thought I'd post this nugget of common sense and evenhandedness, from, of all places, the Washington Post.

Obama will not only survive this, but Reverend Wright's star turn may help people to understand him better and make reasonable judgments about how much Wright has influenced Obama, which, from Wright's combative answers and self-satisfied retorts, appears to be less than Obama's detractors would like to have people believe.

One thing's for sure...the Wright on display this week is a lot less threatening than the one taken out of context on YouTube.

The Audacity of Rev. Wright

A tale of a candidate, a pastor and some repugnant remarks

Tuesday, April 29, 2008; Page A16

THE REV. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., whose incendiary and controversial sound bites have knocked the presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) off balance, strutted to the microphone of the National Press Club and made an audacious claim: "This is not an attack on Jeremiah Wright. It is an attack on the black church." No. The harsh spotlight under which the Chicago pastor finds himself is exactly where it belongs.

As pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago for 36 years (he recently retired), the Rev. Wright has a record of good works. From services for the homeless and the elderly to the poor and those in prison, his church has practiced the most giving and generous teachings of Christianity. But with the good came charged rhetoric that has come back to haunt him and Mr. Obama. Most famously, in a 2003 sermon, the Rev. Wright said, "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, not God bless America. God damn America, that's in the Bible, for killing innocent people."

Yesterday, the Rev. Wright was unrepentant. He refused to disavow his oft-repeated belief in the sinister myth that the AIDS epidemic is a genocidal government plot to exterminate African Americans. He stood by his blame-America-for-Sept. 11 stance, saying, "You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back to you."

None of this is helpful to Mr. Obama, who could face more calls not only to denounce such inflammatory comments but also to renounce his longtime pastor. We will not join in that chorus. In his address on race in Philadelphia last month after video of the Rev. Wright's fiery sermons burst onto the national scene, Mr. Obama condemned, "in unequivocal terms, the statements of Rev. Wright that have caused such controversy." The candidate credibly explained how he could understand his minister's anger without sharing or approving of it. Having had a closer look at the Rev. Wright, voters will have to decide for themselves how much weight to give Mr. Obama's long association with the pastor. But it is the Rev. Wright, not Mr. Obama, who yesterday chose to further discredit himself.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:48 AM
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1. You know it's gonna be bad when...
The editorial begins with a description of someone "strutting" to the microphone.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:50 AM
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3. LOL n/t
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:23 AM
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13. LOL
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:25 AM
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15. LOL n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:55 AM
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32. That would be a clue, yes.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:50 AM
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2. Do you know who wrote this? Eugene Robinson's, I thought, was
spot-on today...he criticized Wright's ego and equating himself with "the black church" like it's some monlithic entity. BTW, Eugene still likes Obama and is himself African-American. I'd link, but you need to subscribe.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:52 AM
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4. I read all the WaPo opinion pieces most of the time. I did read the Robinson piece.
The thing I like about this one is that it rightly sees the difference between Wright's grandstanding and Obama's campaign, where everyone else in the media seems to think, "Wright refuses to back down, therefore Obama is toast," which is silly.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:55 AM
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5. A week is a lifetime in politics, and some who have been counted out,
come back strong. One incident does not a campaign make, but clearly Wright's ego ain't helping.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:59 AM
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7. I think people may even feel sorry for Obama after this.
Between him and Axelrod both expressing their dismay at the Reverend's decision to thrust himself into the public eye, and the fact that Wright clearly didn't give a shit about Obama in doing it, Obama rightly looks betrayed. People may end up holding him less responsible as a result, which would be nice, because he shouldn't be held responsible for it in the first place.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:09 AM
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9. Can't recall which editorial I read it in, but the writer said Obama needs
to forcefully distance himself from Wright since it appears that Wright doesn't give a shit about Obama.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:12 AM
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10. He's already done that.
He said today, "He doesn't speak for me." Pretty much says it all without having to do the whole big mea culpa, which he already did with the race speech.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:14 AM
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11. Yeah, but wait until Wright starts his book tour in the fall...
...everything will be brought up again and Obama will have to say that again...there needs to be something stronger so that when Wright appears, people (or at leaat the MSM) don't link him to Obama immediately. It'd be tricky, but I think it needs to be stronger than what he's already said.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:21 AM
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12. Are you serious? A book tour?
I hope you're speculating.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:29 AM
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16. No, wish I could find a link...he's writing a book and will start promoting
it this fall...yes, THIS fall. If you think the MSM coverage was wall-to-wall this time, then....
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:36 AM
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20. Jesus Christ. n/t
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:37 AM
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22. Oh yeah, he'll figure prominently in the book...hee-hee...n/t
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:56 AM
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6. Obama's campaign is in trumoil as Obama's chicago ways shine brightly.
I feel sorry for those that truly believed Obama could deliver on his promises of change, the ones Obama has bamboozled, hoodwinked, and okie doke'd.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:00 AM
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8. I feel sorry for you, having to whine about Obama for the next eight years. n/t
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:46 AM
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25. Actually, it is Obama's blogcult whining, not me.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:08 AM
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29. No, that's Obama's blogcult continuing to out-organize, out-fundraise, and out campaign
the royal Democratic family.

People will remember 2008 as the year the DLC got put in its place and the people took their party back.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:40 AM
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30. I guess you didn't read the whines from the blogcult yesterday and today.
Truly funny to some of Hillary's supporters to see these hillary-haters implode like this.


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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:54 AM
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31. I don't hate Hillary. I just think she's a terrible manager.
And her inability to wrap this up by Super Tuesday proves that.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:59 AM
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34. Oh, is that the latest self-deceiving excuse for not voting for the woman?
Running neck and neck down to the wire with god's anointed (wait. maybe that's been rescinded.)ain't good enough for ya?

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:01 AM
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35. I have no problems voting for a woman.
Unfortunately, Hillary isn't very competent. They fact that we don't have universal health care despite the fact that there was a Democratic majority at the time should clue you in to that.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:56 AM
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33. Now they're "royal"??? What happened to the poor Kennedys???
Lordy, you buy every lie you're selling. One day you will just about die of embarrassment.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:24 AM
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14. Your comments remind how many said that MLKing should keep his mouth shut,
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 09:38 AM by still_one
doesn't know his place, is just a trouble maker

I think the race problem isn't an issue with most Amercans, but definitely is an issue with some Clinton supporters

Continuing to blame Obama for remarks of someone else I find amazing, since he has already answered that quetion

I guess the asscication of Clinton to some of her supporters who believe this is a relevent issue, tell me all I need to know about Clinton, by her association with those supporters


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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:44 AM
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24. Well you're totally wrong. I don't BLAME Obama; not in the least.
However, what Obama's campaign is trying desperately to do is to figuratively erase things like all the screaming over Hillary not being able to control Ferraro.

Irony drips like the rain in Southwest Florida this morning.


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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:57 AM
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27. The blade cuts both ways, and Obama has immediately fired people
from his campaign who were out of line. When Bob Kerry, and others in the Clinton camp tried t imply Obama was a Muslim, the Clinton camp was not as anxious to correct the record

Ferraro was actually an exception, the Clinton camp was very quick to diassociate the remarks made Ferraro from her campaign

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:44 AM
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36. Obama is a politician
whose views on issues are virtually identical with Hillary's.

He is NO MLK in ANY way.
Nor is Rev. Wright.


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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:31 AM
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17. What on earth makes you say something like that?
When every new piece of evidence seems to prove that the Clintons are "Republicans in Democratic Clothes". What seems to be your problem with Obama?
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:32 AM
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18. Agreed, I have been saying this since yesterday. Obama will move on and so should all of us.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:36 AM
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19. Robinson is full of shit on this.
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 09:38 AM by ProSense
He takes objection to Wright's comment: "You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back to you."

What does Robinson think the immoral invasion of Iraq was? What does he think about the fact that terrorist acts have increased since the illegal invasion and Americans are targets in an increasing number of countries?

Yesterday the Green Zone in Iraq was attacked, four U.S. soldiers were killed. Does Robinson believe this is all for a just cause?

"Wright, voters will have to decide for themselves how much weight to give Mr. Obama's long association with the pastor."

Really? Why?

Most famously, in a 2003 sermon, the Rev. Wright said, "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, not God bless America. God damn America, that's in the Bible, for killing innocent people."


Does he mention anywhere that this was taken out of context? Does he not know that Wright was quoting a former U.S. diplomat.

They can all write this crap and spin the BS. Nothing changes that Wright spoke the truth.






edited for clarity.

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:37 AM
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21. That wasn't quoting the diplomat. The diplomat said that 9/11 was chickens coming home to roost. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:42 AM
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23. Really?
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 09:58 AM by ProSense
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:51 AM
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26. Yep. Watch the video at your link. n/t
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:08 AM
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28. It was the same sermon ... and the same quote .. (nt)
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