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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:50 AM
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Better start backing Hillary NOW
Obama could not be more un-electable and its time to face that fact.

Its either Hillary or McCain, who do ya want?
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:51 AM
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2. So we're supposed to believe someone who's in second place is the winner?
right.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:15 AM
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139. Hillary is a loser. She knows it and everyone else does.
Obama is our only chance. Get on board or get left in the dust.

You are witnessing the Hillbot's last death throws. This is the point where they gnash the teeth.

:rofl:
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palindrome Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:51 AM
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3. agree.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:52 AM
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4. and people said Obama supporters were arrogant...
I will back Hillary when she takes the lead in delegates, states won, and the popular vote (hell, I'll even let her have FL count)....until then...
piss off...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:05 AM
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31. it is a kind invite to join the winning team. No pastors allowed.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:07 AM
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35. So much for the big tent thing too...
more and more republican lite every day...
:puke:
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:11 AM
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44. No doubt, and I was trying to be nice
These people are like rabid dogs.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:14 AM
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50. Just to review:
"Better start backing Hillary NOW
Obama could not be more un-electable and its time to face that fact.
Its either Hillary or McCain, who do ya want?


This is Seeker30 "Trying to be nice"

Fail.
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:19 AM
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57. I'm trying to be a uniter
Pass :hi:
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:21 AM
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59. You dont have a single democratic bone in your body
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:27 AM
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67. Lets leave my bone out of this.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:26 AM
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66. an untier?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:42 AM
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96. Sure you were, if, by "nice" you meant "bloody arrogant".
Your candidate's showings against McCain are exactly the same as Obama's. And all the Nineties stuff will brought up against your candidate and it will ALL work AGAIN. So where do you guys get off acting like your candidate's inherently superior in electability or any other terms?

If she were THAT electable, wouldn't she have wrapped up the nom on Super Tuesday like all of you insisted she would?

Try a LITTLE humility. Just a little. Especially since your campaign has nothing whatsoever to gloat about.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:33 AM
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120. if that's you trying to be nice, i feel sorry for anyone who knows you...
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:52 AM
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5. She hasn't caught up since the primaries got under way?
How's she ever gonna catch up, if she's always in 2nd place?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:54 AM
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11. do you seriously not understand "caucuses"?!?
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 01:55 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:56 AM
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14. Caucuses were good enough for a whole bunch of democratic
candidates, but not hillary? Any other rules we should change for her?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:57 AM
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16. No Crying
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:58 AM
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17. ....
:rofl:

Actually, Hillary hasn't cried nearly as much as John Boehner, does he keep an onion in his pocket or what?
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:52 AM
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6. Take your scare tactics elsewhere.
Not buyin' it. Hillary is still losing.

But thanks for your concern.

- as
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:53 AM
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8. take another hit odf the pink stuff
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:01 AM
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21. Scoreboard!
- as
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:55 AM
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So you truly believe Obama is electable?
Can I ask how old you are?
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:02 AM
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23. Yeah, I do.
and I'm old enough to know better. You.... not so much, apparently.

So, umm.... what time does the next wave of 'Why won't Obama debate Hillary' posts start? Check yer schedule...

- as
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:12 AM
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45. I guess the nominee has to have those corporate dollars to get elected according to you!
NO THANKS for me!
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:47 AM
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74. What? is age a reflection of your bigotry factor?
I would love nothing more than to see a woman president. In fact my kids both wore the infamous "Someday a woman will be president T-shirt" to a Labor Day speech by Bill back in 96. This is not about race or gender this is about who offers the best hope of deviating from the disastrous course our country is on. Hillary advocates what is effectively genocide in Iran. She's too right wing for me. I'm not going to vote for her just because she's a woman. I don't agree with a lot of her recent actions and statements. I think she'd bring us 4 more years of basically the same shit we've been going through. I'm 42 years old, for what it's worth, and I hope we see a woman president soon but I don't want it to be Hillary. Enough of the hovering on the right side of Democratic Party, we need to move further left, a lot further. I would have preferred John Edwards because I felt that he best represented my ideal of how to make America better but with him out of the race (but I'm hoping he'll be Obama's running mate) Obama, in my opinion, offers the best chance at making any real change.

Some day I hope that we will be blind to color and gender as grounds for electability. Some of us are already self-actualized enough to not care. Hopefully the rest of you will some day see the light.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:05 AM
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133. Well said...
:hi:
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:18 AM
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99. With Obama, there's *DOUBT* about his electibility.
With Clinton, there's *CERTAINTY* about her electibility:
America would elect a rock President before it would elect
Hillary Clinton President. She's most *CERTAINLY* unelectible.

Tesha
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:15 AM
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114. 50+ unfavorables.
Certainty is right.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:56 AM
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15. and also to you: "do you seriously not understand "caucuses"?!?"
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:59 AM
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20. Hillary understands them, that's why she agreed to them by running under DNC rules
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:03 AM
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24. exactly...and the supers understand them too!
thank God!!!
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:05 AM
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30. Exactly. they understand they make the "popular vote" a ridiculous number.
Not that Hillary would win that made-up statistic anyways.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:08 AM
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37. Yup, caucuses are less likely to be HACKED than primaries...
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 02:09 AM by calipendence
... when they don't have voting machines, and too bad that they also have more power amongst the grass roots "activists" that Hillary's campaign HATES along with moveon.org that serve to better educate those voting than the mass marketing ad crap that Hillary pushes with her corporate donated dollars!
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:08 AM
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38. Yep, someone had some foresight when they setup the SD system
And thank God Hillary stuck it out.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:10 AM
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41. I guess we have to find some way to subvert democracy when we don't like the results!
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:13 AM
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49. We never were a democracy
We're a Republic.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:16 AM
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51. Fuck Democracy!!!
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 02:22 AM by Moochy
you are missing the suffix, -an.
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:24 AM
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64. You kiss your mother with that mouth?
:*
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:25 AM
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65. Laugh it up, Fuzzball
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:31 AM
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92. You make it all to easy
:woohoo: :rofl: :woohoo: :rofl: :woohoo: :rofl: :woohoo: :rofl: :woohoo: :rofl: :woohoo: :rofl: :woohoo: :rofl: :woohoo: :rofl:
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:37 AM
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80. Myth: The U.S. is not a democracy.
Fact: The U.S. is a representative democracy in every branch of government.



Summary

The U.S. is a democracy -- just not a direct one. Every branch of our government -- executive, legislative, judicial, monetary -- ultimately derives its power from majority rule or approval. By making our democracy indirect instead of direct, the Founders prevented unrestrained mob rule, allowing a more reasonable pace of majority rule, and greater room for compromise.



Argument

Conservatives continually point out that America is not a democracy, but a constitutional republic. This is a quibble over definitions, because a constitutional republic is a type of democracy. Democracy comes in two forms: direct and republican. In a direct democracy, the people vote directly on proposed laws, and government (to the extent that it exists) serves only to put their laws into action. By contrast, a republic is a representative democracy, where laws are passed not by the people, but their elected representatives. Adding the term "constitutional" to the word "republic" is frivolous, since all nations have constitutions.

Why, then, do conservatives insist on this distinction? There are two reasons, both of them trivial. One is to embarrass those who make casual use of the term "democracy." Another is that conservatives are so hostile to democracy that they seek to deny its very name.

But a democracy we are. No matter which branch of government you look into, you'll find the fingerprints of democracy everywhere:

Congress: the people vote on their Senators and Representatives, who then vote on their laws.

The White House: the people vote on a slate of electors, who then vote for the president.

Supreme Court: nine justices vote on the constitutionality of laws.

Supreme Court justices: an elected president nominates a Supreme Court justice, who must pass a vote of confidence from the people's elected Senators.

Constitutional amendments: the people's elected representatives vote on the amendments, which must pass by a supermajority of elected state legislatures.

Cabinet appointees: an elected president nominates cabinet officials, who must pass a vote of confidence from the people's elected Senators.

The Federal Reserve: a board of Federal Reserve governors votes on monetary policy.

The Federal Reserve Board: an elected president nominates members to the Federal Reserve Board, who must pass a vote of confidence from the people's elected Senators.

Notice that a spectrum of democracy exists within these examples. On the more direct end lies the House of Representatives, which elects legislators from relatively small districts every two years. On the more republican end lies the Senate, which elects legislators from much larger states every six years. The extreme in republicanism is the Supreme Court, where the people's representatives elect justices to lifetime tenure.

Also notice that there is no such thing as a 100 percent direct democracy, since voters would be overwhelmed with the requirements of voting on the nuts and bolts of every government operation. Inevitably, democracy requires some degree of delegated authority. Still, the Founders feared more direct forms of democracy, since they believed -- with historical justification -- that they increased the volitility of mob rule, reduced the chances of compromise, allowed more uninformed legislation to pass, and were usually short-lived. Thus, they insisted on a more republican form of government. However, they also knew the danger of going too far in the opposite direction. Too republican, and representatives become impervious to the will of the people. The challenge in designing a democracy is to find the right balance between direct democracy and republicanism.

Ultimately, all democracies -- including republics -- operate at the consent of the majority. By making our democracy more indirect than direct, the Founders did not stop majority rule; they merely slowed it down somewhat. We could fine tune our position on this spectrum either way, of course, but we would have to go miles in the direction of republicanism before we were no longer a democracy.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:00 AM
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85. Hmm... Sounds like you're looking for a "republic"-an site instead of a "democratic" one!
Why are you here?

Part of being a Republic is that we STILL vote in a democratic fashion for our leaders who represent us. If we take that away, we don't have representative rule, and we have a politburo overseeing a dictatorship.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:41 AM
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122. here...
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:03 AM
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26. Well, you've been edging up to it for a while, but the moment has finally arrived.
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 02:05 AM by americanstranger
You've officially stopped making any sense at all. Congrats.

On edit: Yeah, I understand caucuses. Obama won those, too.

- as
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:12 AM
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46. and cacuses are UN-DEMOCRATIC!!!...A FACT!!!
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:13 AM
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48. Facts are un-Democratic!
Come on. Melt down some more. It's fun to watch.

- as
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:16 AM
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52. you're blind.....i wish you could see!
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 02:17 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:16 AM
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53. Non-sequitor.
(Look it up.)

- as
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:17 AM
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54. awe aren't you cute
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:18 AM
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55. Yes, I am.
And Obama is still winning.

- as
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:20 AM
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58. watch...some times you can curse yourself with your own words
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 02:22 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
it's Biblical, ask Rev Wright!
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:23 AM
Response to Reply #58
62. Why? I AM cute!
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 02:25 AM by americanstranger
:hi:

Off to bed, workday tomorrow. Continue rumbling, I'll pick up in the morning.

- as
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:32 AM
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79. Do you understand "delegates"?
Just wondering.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:52 AM
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7. true that
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:54 AM
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9. McCain! nt
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:54 AM
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10. This silly crap should be excised from any intelligent forum ...
Asking for too much, I know ...

Hey .. how bout supporting BOTH of our fine candidates ?

Signed,
Democrat
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:55 AM
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13. Nah If you know Seeker30
He's a seeker of conflict.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:55 AM
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12. If Hillary steals the nomination over this:
I'll write in Wright and leave the country.

I bled for a country that I fear no longer exists.

We are truly through the looking glass.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:59 AM
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19. How can she steal something Obama hasn't won yet?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:06 AM
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32. steal? you been saying that all along. It is old and boring
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:10 AM
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42. I'm old an boring. Get over it.
She still has to steal it to get the nomination.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:24 AM
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103. OH?
Senator Obama has 2025 delegates now does he?

No he doesn't.

He hasn't won anything yet.

He's leading, but that's like a football team leading in the 4th quarter. Anything can happen now.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:27 AM
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145. She's gonna be way behind, what else do you call it?
Fair and square is out. What about "crooked it"? Is that ok? Crow-barred? Nicked? Most certainly not "won".
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:58 AM
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18. FAIL
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:04 AM
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28. Great graphic - please us it over and over! n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:01 AM
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22. a bucktfull of TRUTH!
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:03 AM
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25. You've got the right container
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:03 AM
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27. Never.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:04 AM
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29. Come aboard Obama folks. The weather is fine on the Hillary boat. No Wright allowed.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:07 AM
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34. The Hillary boat....


No, thanks.

- as
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:09 AM
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39. Sign on that boat says "Pastor" Wright.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:11 AM
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43. That's two.
You've stopped making sense, too.

You might want to just bang your head on the keyboard from now on. It'll probably make more sense than what you've come up with so far.

- as
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:23 AM
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102. The Hillary Boat: A three-hour tour, now storm-tossed and washed up on a deserted island
With just a few DUers left aboard.

Tesha
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Dbdmjs1022 Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:06 AM
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33. SCOREBOARD
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:08 AM
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36. Hmmm..........
I don't want either Hillary or McCain.............. your statement is unfounded and inflammatory. :eyes:

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:09 AM
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40. Well, she'd better apply for public financing...
If she's the nominee, I'll take an anti-emetic, hold my nose, and vote for her.

That's it.

I will not send her money. I will not volunteer for her. I will not even speak well of her.


Her campaign is broke. That says something about the ability of her supporters to sustain her campaign. She'd better take the public financing, because her behavior hasn't endeared her to a lot of Obama supporters (you know, the ones who contribute roughly $40M/month).
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:13 AM
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47. Right on, brother!
I've always thought the best candidate to put up against the GOP is the one who's LOSING among Democrats.

Really, it makes so much sense ... :silly:
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:27 AM
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104. Nance, it actually *IS POSSIBLE* that the best GE candidate would not be popular among Democrats.
(Gee Dub is a sort of existence proof of that concept.)

But Hillary is not popular among *ANYONE* except Hillary
partisans, so no worries there.

Tesha
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:18 AM
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56. Fuck Hillary, fuck the DLC, and fuck anyone who tells me I need to support that piece of shit
Any other country on earth, the Clintons would be in prison right next to their friends the Bush Crime Family for what they have done to this country the last 28 years.

It ends NOW.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:22 AM
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60. McCain will love having your vote
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:35 AM
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69. Sorry, I don't vote for Republicans
DLC or otherwise.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:24 AM
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63. you need meds
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:34 AM
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68. I'm not the one having delusions around here.
It's obvious where the padded cell is located

DLC Headquarters
c/o Al From
666 Corporatism Lane
Klansvile GA 66666
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:37 AM
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71. hmmm me thinks you are trying hard to convince yourself.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:50 AM
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83. Rush, is that you?
Maybe it's time for some more Oxy, huh?
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:23 AM
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61. I think your post is a dumptruck full of dumb.
Thanks for sharing. Always good to know what's chaff and what's wheat.

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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:37 AM
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70. .
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:39 AM
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72. Poll: Clinton leads McCain in matchup
She is electable, Obama is not.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24352818/
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:43 AM
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73. End the Self-Abuse (Self-Kicking)
I think you have an underlying moderate to severe granite deficiency! Seek Treatment from the mods immediately!
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:50 AM
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75. Its over for your candidate, I feel your pain
You're simply experiencing the first stages in the grief process, it'll get better.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:08 AM
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76. Only reason why Obama is not doing as well in the polls
is because nobody is attacking Hillary right now. If you think that Hillary is one of the cleanest politicians ever, you've got another thing coming to you.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:11 AM
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77. Well,
We are all entitled to our opinion. Yours, is just as good as mine and I believe we will disagree on this point.


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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:30 AM
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78. based on your moronic opinion? Bwahahaha.
Not a chance, hilldroid, not a chance. Screw McCain, screw hillypoo.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:40 AM
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81. No thank you.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:49 AM
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82. No thanks, I'll stick with the guy who is WINNING.
And for all intents and purposes has already won.
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JasonHill Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:52 AM
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84. All posts like yours do is unify supporters of a candidate
your need to vent anger and hatred in general in order to try to hurt other Dem supporters feelings only unify people. Since i support Obama, all i can say is thank you :)
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:05 AM
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86. the plague or gangrene?
paper or plastic? cup or cone?

piss off or fuck off?


either way, time to pull your head out of your ass. Hillary has LOST.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:07 AM
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87. You had better prepare yourself for a shock
The MSM is seriously out-of-touch with American voters. If you keep buying into their fantasy narrative, you're likely to feel like someone has thrown a cold bucket of water in your face when you hear the name of our Party's nominee.

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:19 AM
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88. You said the same thing after the first time this came up.
It wasn't true then and it isn't true now.
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:17 AM
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89. No thanks to Hillary or McCain. I think I'll back a Democrat. n/t
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:29 AM
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90. Obama shares Hillary's voting record. What's calling her a repig say about HIM?
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:08 AM
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98. Hillary wanted the Democratic nomination. Her behavior contradicts her record. His does not. n/t
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:29 AM
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91. Fuck that. Never ever ever going to support that right wing zealot. n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:32 AM
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93. Hope I won't face that choice: I'd rather rip my flesh off - than support the fascist Hill-Billies.
:nuke:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:33 AM
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94. So, she's gonna pull 219 of the remaining 235 SD's.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:40 AM
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95. One In The McSAME To Me
You guys lose me with that.!
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:52 AM
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97. Logan's Law: people dislike Hillary inversely to their knowledge of Hillary's record.
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 05:53 AM by Perry Logan
So here it is:

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House :

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israel/index.cfm
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfur

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE:

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.

Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the rights of children for special needs for decades. In her first job out of law school working for the Children's Defense Fund, she conducted research that led to Congress passing the Education for All Handicapped Children Act of 1975, the landmark bill mandating that all children with disabilities be educated in the public school system. later, she helped improve the education of children with special needs by working to reauthorize the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act. In 2005, she sponsored an amendment to increase funding for the act by $4 billion dollars. She also cosponsored the Personal Excellence for Children with Disabilities Act, a bill that promised to help schools recruit and retain new special education teachers, and better prepare general education teachers and staff to work with children with special needs.

Most recently, she has called for greatly expanded funding to the National Institute for Health to investigate treatments for children with disabilities. And she has put forth a comprehensive and detailed plan to help children and families affected by autism, with numerous elements that correspond very closely to what families in the autism community have been demanding for years.

some points on her legal career:

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.


Education

Wellesley College where she majored in political science.
Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.

Political Activist Experience

Pragmatic Liberal

Always fascinated by radicalism, she wrote her senior thesis on a great radical organizer of poor people, Saul Alinsky of Chicago. Though when she was offered a job by Alinsky, after she wrote about him, and she turned him down--because she didn't think he was effective enough. She said to her boyfriend at that timebe in politics you have to win. And it didn't look to her like Alinsky was winning enough of his battles. She came to question his methodology and concluded in her thesis that larger government programs and funding were needed, not just community action at the grass roots.

She was the commencement speaker at Wellesley in 1969, chosen by her fellow students--there had never been a student commencement speaker there before. The scheduled speaker was Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, who Hillary had campaigned for, a Republican, the first black to be a member of the U.S. Senate in a hundred years. In his remarks he was patronizing, Hillary thought. He seemed to defend the Nixon administration's conduct of the war, and didn't mention the wrenching events of 68. When he finished, Hillary got up and extemporaneously excoriated him. As a result of that speech, she was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of this new generation of student leaders. They ran a picture of her in pedal pushers and her Coke-bottle glasses. That article made her well known in the student movement in the U.S.

She monitored the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU.

1971 Senator Walter Mondale's subcommittee on migrant workers, researching migrant problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.

Political Campaign Experience

1964 In high school, volunteered for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater.
1968 New Hampshire, Eugene McCarthy primary challenge to LBJ.
1972 Campaigned in the western states for 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern
1976 Jimmy Carter Presidential race, served as an Indiana campaign coordinator.

The Clinton Campaigns (Bill Clinton has stated Hillary played pivotal roles in his campaigns)

1974 Bill Clinton's Congressional race (L)
1976 Bill Clinton's Attorney General race (W)
1978 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1980 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (L)
1982 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1992 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
1996 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
2000 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)
2006 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)

Legal Experience

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Rose Law Firm. In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.

She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.

First Lady of Arkansas

1979 Chaired the Rural Health Advisory Committee
1979 Introduced the Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
1982 - 1992 Chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee

She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

Clinton had co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977.

Served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988-1992)and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986-1992)

Corporate board of directors of TCBY (1985-1992),Wal-Mart Stores (1986-1992), and Lafarge (1990-1992)

First Lady of the United States of America

"She's very smart ... people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration and for doing some heavy lifting on issues." Barack Obama, speaking of Hillary Clinton's White House experience and contradicting Obama supporters - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart 8/22/07



When asked about his wife's role in his administration in August of 2000, President Bill Clinton said "She basically had an unprecedented level of activity in her present position over the last eight years.''

1993 First to bring a serious universal healthcare plan to be considered by the US Congress
1997 Helped develop the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997

The First Lady led the effor on the Foster Care Independence bill, to help older, unadopted children transition to adulthood. She also hosted numerous White House conferences that related to children's health, including early childhood development (1997) and school violence (1999). She lent her support to programs ranging from "Prescription for Reading," in which pediatricians provided free books for new mothers to read to their infants as their brains were rapidly developing, to nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses. She also supported an annual drive to encourage older women to seek a mammography to prevent breast cancer, coverage of the cost being provided by Medicare.

Hillary Clinton was the only First Lady to keep an office in the West Wing among those of the president's senior staff. While her familiarity with the intricate political issues and decisions faced by the President, she openly discussed his work with him, yet stated that ultimately she was but one of several individuals he consulted before making a decision. They were known to disagree. Regarding his 1993 passage of welfare reform, the First Lady had reservations about federally supported childcare and Medicaid. When issues that she was working on were under discussion at the morning senior staff meetings, the First Lady often attended. Aides kept her informed of all pending legislation and oftentimes sought her reaction to issues as a way of gauging the President's potential response. Weighing in on his Cabinet appointments and knowing many of the individuals he named, she had working relationships with many of them.

She persuaded Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin to convene a meeting of corporate CEOs for their advice on how companies could be persuaded to adopt better child care measures for working families.

With Attorney General Janet Reno, the First Lady helped to create the Department of Justice's Violence Against Women office. One of her closest Cabinet allies was Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. Following her international trips, Hillary Clinton wrote a report of her observations for Albright. A primary effort they shared was globally advocating gender equity in economics, employment, health care and education.

During her trips to Africa (1997), Asia (1995), South America (1995, 1997) and the Central European former Soviet satellite nations (1997, 1998), Hillary Clinton emphasized "a civil society," of human rights as a road to democracy and capitalism.

The First Lady was also one of the few international figures at the time who spoke out against the treatment of Afghani women by Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.

One of the programs she helped create was Vital Voices, a U.S.-sponsored initiative to promote the participation of international women in their nation's political process. One result of the group's meetings, in Northern Ireland, was drawing together women leaders of various political factions that supported the Good Friday peace agreement that brought peace to that nation long at civil war.

Hillary Clinton was also an active supporter of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), often awarding its micro-loans to small enterprises begun by women in developing nations that aided the economic growth in their impoverished communities. Certainly one of her more important speeches as First Lady addressing the need for equal rights for women was international in scope and created controversy in the nation where it was made: the September 1995 United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, China.

Senator From New York

After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

She has championed legislation to bring broadband Internet access to rural America.

She worked to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income and working families.

She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

She's working for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

She's worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards. She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning. Her fight with the Bush Administration ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

Senate Armed Services Committee

Subcommittees:

* Airland
* Emerging Threats and Capabilities
* Readiness and Management Support

Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works

Subcommittees:

* Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health (Chair)
* Subcommittee Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
* Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure

Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

Subcommittees:

* Children and Families
* Employment & Workplace Safety
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:19 AM
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100. Give it up! I will not back this woman for anything!
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:21 AM
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101. if she wins the nomination, I will. But she hasn't won it yet.
And if she doesn't win it, who will you be supporting?
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:44 AM
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105. How about I just put your ass on Ignore instead?
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jonnyra Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:46 AM
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106. I dont care who you back
McCain is gonna steal the white house. Whats crystal clear since McCain won the nomination is that the media is going to hype any democratic attack while remaining silent on any negative McCain information.

Do we really think the republicans are gonna play nice this time around? Have the voting machines been dismantled? Has the media suddenly changed hands...no longer under control by right wing republicans? Oh and who controls the supreme court?

This things over...we will wake up the day after election wondering how another one got away. The MSM control the message and the right wing controls the media. Its clear and I believe an insurmountable obstacle.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:50 AM
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107. Yeah, sign me up for the RUNNERS UP!
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:55 AM
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108. In your dreams!! Considering it was an ardent Clinton supporter that invited Wright to NAACP!!
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:57 AM
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109. Oh if you say so , no. We're not crazy the worst of his flaws will be done by theGE.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:07 AM
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110. Ya know, 8 years ago
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 07:14 AM by Highway61
After all my informative facts I gave about Bush, my brother in law voted for (I quote) "Boosh". Today he is cash poor, barely holding onto his home etc., etc., etc. I saw him this past weekend and all I said was. "ya wanted him, ya got him...and here you are.
If you think Hillary is any better, my dear...go right ahead. However, Do NOT try and lure others here. We are truly at a cross road. Either you have a great job, making a lot of $$$$ and you are just fine BUT a lot of folks are not, and I CARE about them. I do NOT want more of the same and that is what you will get. You're only as happy until the economic downturn effects YOU directly.
Now, that being said, be gone with you....before a house comes along and falls on you too. I'll make up my own mind thank you....
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:13 AM
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111. Whats the Difference ?
I'd just as soon see a Republican take blame for Republican
issues than to have a Democrat take the rap which will destroy
the party.

Her voting record speaks for itself, She's a Corporatist
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:15 AM
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112. I've been happily backing her. I think she'll be the nominee.
She's looking better all the time.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:15 AM
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113. In your wet dreams n/t
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:19 AM
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115. I'll wait until she gets the nomination
Until then, I'll stick with Obama.

If Hillary is the nominee she'll get my vote. McCain won't.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:19 AM
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116. i`m voting for big john
he`s a white guy and a war hero..that is the two most important qualifications in the general election
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:20 AM
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117. DUzy nominated for utter stupidity....
:rofl:
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:21 AM
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118. Back HRC...NEVER!
Liar
Triangulator
IWR supporter
Finger in the wind political posturer
Friend of Mark Penn, Harold Wolfson, Sciafe(!)

NO THANKS
I learned my lesson in 2006. DINOs, DLCers and other lesser evils need to GO.
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:23 AM
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119. What?
Obama has won 30 of 45 primaries and caucuses and you're saying what?

Here's my message to you.

GO FUCK YOURSELF!
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:33 AM
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121. agreed.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:35 AM
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123. Lets review
17 disruptive people thought that this message was worth recommending.

The OP claims it is being "nice".

Operation Chaos, Baby :yourock: (not)
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:39 AM
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124. You're funny
Thanks for that :rofl:
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:40 AM
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125. None of the above.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:41 AM
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126. So, the silver medal is now the gold?
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:44 AM
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127. Cute
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:48 AM
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128. Join Hillary...
she'll take you to the White House. She'll be the best President this country has ever had. She'll work her heart out.

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:51 AM
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129. Kick for a nice HRC Supporter Post
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 10:51 AM by Moochy
So the OP can see what it looks like to succeed at being nice! :hi:
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:03 AM
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131. ...
:hi:

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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:53 AM
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130. If Obama is "unelectable" and he is beating Hillary in votes, money, and endorsements ...
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 10:56 AM by invictus
doesn't that make Hillary even more unelectable? If Obama is "unelectable" then Hillary is "a snowball's chance in hell of being elected president"/"not if she were the last person in the world and she voted for herself" unelectable.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:04 AM
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132. Never
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:06 AM
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134. HRC has already lost.
buh-bye Hilly.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:06 AM
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135. Obama - nuff said
:D
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:10 AM
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136. Why? When did I turn into a fascist enabling, Bush protecting Closed Government Democrat?
I leave that to Clinton supporters who want to see BushInc protected into the next decade.

You won't have MY support or the support of any anti-corruption, open government Democrat.

We've put up with the Clinton crap far too long already.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:13 AM
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137. Take away Obama's red state wins which will go to McCain, and what have you got? nt
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:18 AM
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141. Take away Hillary's racists and warmonger voters who will go to McCain and Hillary has got nothing.
n/t
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:31 AM
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147. Sorry, my numbers are rock solid. Your numbers are fantasy....bad try....
Not quite up to date but get the drift?



Democratic victories in red state primaries are meaningless. Those states will stay red. Read the article.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:15 AM
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138. What;'s the difference? n/t
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iwearshoesinky Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:17 AM
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140. I'm comfortable where I am
My apologies but since I have quite a quixotic streak I'd stick with Sen. Obama through thick and thin. If the American people cannot support the president that they deserve then they must live with the consequences. That's what democracy is all about.
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clevbot Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:20 AM
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142. Lay off the kool-aid lol...GOBAMA
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:20 AM
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143. No Thanks. I want a president that thinks of me, not Corporations.
And republican ideals, like the Liar that is Clinton.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:24 AM
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144. Gross.
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 11:24 AM by haymakeragain
Time for you to build a tent.
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:29 AM
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146. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Tuesday, April 29, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows Barack Obama attracing 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 44%. In a match-up with Hillary Clinton, it’s Clinton 46% McCain 45%.
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