The Clintons used a man of God as a political tool. It is unforgivable. Words from her campaign.

[madfloridian]

The media is unbearable to watch right now, but her campaign started the furor. I suspect they have been feeding it. I expect it of the media unfortunately, but I do not expect it of a Democratic former first family.

Here are words from her campaign leaders offering proof there were using the issue.

From Terry McAuliffe:

McAuliffe on Fox News

..."HANNITY: No, it's clear everybody wants this to go on. I — because I have less than two minutes. I want to go issue by issue.

The Reverend Wright issue, in your opinion, is a legitimate issue, correct?

MCAULIFFE: I agree with Speaker Gingrich. Anything that's been out in the public is fair game.

HANNITY: All right.

MCAULIFFE: Are you kidding me? Wait until the general election, Sean.

HANNITY: Wait until — yes, well, the Bill Ayers issue which we were on — just like the Wright issue.

MCAULIFFE: Yes.

HANNITY: ...we were on way ahead of anybody. You think that's a legitimate issue?

MCAULIFFE: I think everything is a legitimate issue. Hillary Clinton nothing's ever been taken off the table for her."

From Harold Ickes, a major campaign person:

Ickes: Jeremiah Wright a key topic in discussions with superdelegates

"In an interview with me this morning, senior Hillary adviser Harold Ickes confirmed that Reverend Jeremiah Wright is a key topic in discussions with uncommitted super-delegates over whether Obama is electable in a general election.

The comments from Ickes, who is Hillary's chief delegate hunter, are to my knowledge the first on-the-record confirmation from a Hillary adviser that the Wright controversy is a subject in conversations between the Hillary campaign and the super-delegates her advisers are trying to win over to Hillary's side.

From Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Florida co-chair of the Clinton campaign, one of the leaders in attacking the DNC over the delegates.

Wasserman Schultz speaks out on Wright.

"Especially in some of the states that have yet to vote, the Wright affair “is a big vulnerability,” said Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, a Clinton superdelegate. And “all of this delegate stuff is artificial,” she added, alongside the reality that the party’s nominee must be able to carry big states like hers, where Mrs. Clinton won a disputed victory; Ohio, where she triumphed last month; and Pennsylvania, where she leads in polls.

Remember when Hillary Clinton announced that she would have resigned from Wright's church over his remarks?

Clinton: Wright 'would not have been my pastor'

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, in a wide-ranging interview today with Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reporters and editors, said she would have left her church if her pastor made the sort of inflammatory remarks Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor made.
"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

Obama's lead in national polls had slipped since clips of the retired Rev. Jeremiah Wright began being played on national news programs, but he has since rebounded, according to a Gallup poll. The uproar prompted Obama to give a major speech on race in America last week. His campaign accused Clinton of exploiting the controversy.

When this campaign started, I had no favorite. Neither did my husband. This is not as some so love to say here, a "hate" post. It just is not.

It is a post reflecting my deep disillusionment in the former first family. I supported him during his days under attack because of Monica Lewinsky.

It was not easy to do that in this conservative area. But I did.

I think the media is doing what they do, and it is sickening. I turned off Countdown tonight, because I refuse to listen anymore to insults toward that man. However I think the Clinton campaign has been stoking the flames of this issue.

I think they owe the party an apology for using a man of God, a pastor, as a political tool against a fellow Democrat. It is inexcusable. This is not just a hit on Obama, but a hit on the character of Jeremiah Wright and the nature of black churches.

I am white, and I am a former Baptist. I heard truth from Wright's mouth in a few speeches that I never heard in my former church.

The Clintons hit a new low. They should apologize.

[jasmine621]

1. The only "tools' being used are SOS folks who will stoop to anything

to blame the Clintons for shit that they have nothing to do with except to respond.

[madfloridian]

4. Did you read the statements from her campaign? Please do

Then defend the statements instead of attacking me.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

35. do you think Wright doesn't know the harm he is causing, by his Media Blitz?

you think this guy doesn't know that now is the wrong time to give
America his big lesson?

don't you wonder if there is a money trail somewhere, cause I do.

[madfloridian]

38. I think he is defending his heritage and his time as pastor.

I taught for years, and I would fight back if someone tried to smear me.

Wouldn't you?

[pokercat999]

99. Yep sure would especially if I was a con-man pulling off

the biggest and longest running con in the history of the world. All religions promising a "life after death" are con games designed to strip you of power, freedom and money.

Wright is no different than any "pastor", my concern is that Obama is taken in by the christian thing in the first place.

My problem is that I will not vote for Hillary I cannot vote for McCain so if it's not Obama my wife and I will probably only vote down ticket and leave the preznut spot blank.

[stillcool]

108. You must have a real problem..

with Martin Luther King as well.

[pokercat999]

156. MLK was a great con-artist on the religion side and

a great man and leader on the political side. Kinda like a car salesman that sells both electric cars and Hummers both good and bad in everyone and everything.

There is a huge amount of gray in this world even in the con game of religion. My concern is that Obama allows his Christan views to overly influence his secular country when elected president.

[LiberalLovinLug]

134. Great!

another Scalia gets appointed to the Supreme Court because of folks like you.

As an avid Obama supporter, I would hesitate only to adjust my nose plug, before I would most definitely cast my vote for Hillary...anyone BUT McBush.

[nichomachus]

141. Are you saying Hillary won't appoint a corporate lobbyist?

Really? After all the money she's taken from them? After all the slimy tactics she's used to get her hands on power? After following Karl Rove's play book? After kissing Richard Mellon Scaife's ass -- what did she need to promise to get his endorsement?

Maybe it won't be another Scalia, but I can guarantee it will be someone the corporatocracy will be smiling over.

[Vinnie From Indy]

138. Without a doubt! Always follow the money!

Wright, as well as many others, are being given money or promised the moon with a Hillary victory.

Of course he knows that he is hurting Obama.

[thunder rising]

5. Clintons stirred that pot. Too bad it's over .. she's broke, go home.

[emilyg]

9. Yeah right - she put words in Wright's mouth.

[Butch350]

127. 1. The only "tools' being used are SOS folks who will stoop to anything

Amazing!

You're starting to believe your own Bovine Defecation !!

[GetTheRightVote]

2. I am deeply concerned with the obvious use of this man of God as well

Another GOP treat from Rove's playbook per HRC. This is all getting very very scary to me.
She really is just another repub it appears.

[thunder rising]

3. Good on you! Agreed!

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[emilyg]

7. !!!!

[madfloridian]

12. Are you also declaring Wright as not a man of God?

Your !!! are hard to understand.

[madfloridian]

8. Saracat, that is sad to hear that from you.

I am sad to hear that.

[Andromeda]

13. And I am sad to hear that...

you are sad that Saracat is sad. So sad.:rofl:

[madfloridian]

15. So you don't think Wright is a man of God? Just trying to understand

what lengths people will go to in order to defend.

[Andromeda]

29. I believe Rev. Wright is Rev. Wrong...

who elevates himself above everyone else. I call that having a "God" complex.

He has his own agenda, kind of like Jim Jones.

[madfloridian]

32. So....you are judging him and comparing him to Jim Jones??

Just want to be sure I understood this.

I am sorry, but you guys are just stunning me with these judgmental statements.

[psychmommy]

54. it is that same old arrogant uppity black man stuff.

how dare that black man try to teach the good white people of america anything. that uppity Negro can't teach americans anything. he is more a man of God than some of these fundie crazy hate the gays, blacks, jews preachers out here. dr wright isn't being investigated for tax fraud like many of those fundie preachers that they uphold. he ain't raping altar boys or being complicit in covering it up. he isn't like the rabbi from south jersey that murdered his wife instead of divorcing her. he said somethings that made folks think and made them mad. he doesn't hate the muslim so that makes him anti-semitic. he preaches reconciliation-but, since he doesn't uphold the jewish agenda he is anti-semitic. now he is leading a cult. now he threw obama under the bus-so are they still going to tie him like an anchor around obama's neck? what will the story be tomorrow? don't be discouraged. forkboy encouraged me today-here's a hug for you.
:hug:

[madfloridian]

57. Thank you, and a hug in return. So discouraged.

:hug:

So hard to hear Rev. Wright compared to Jim Jones.

[skyounkin]

56. Great post-

Of course it's Hillary who has the God Complex. The rules don't apply to her and her campagin. Wright shouldn't be an issue this late in the game- but she who loves to feed faux just keeps stirring the pot.

No other canidate would get anway with this kind of crap- she does because she is Hillary.

She reminds me sooooo much of bush and how he treated mccain in 2000...........

[Leopolds Ghost]

79. And thus, Obama is not responsible for the man's internal psychology.

Unless of course, you think the Church is a costume to be put on
and dispensed with as a cheap suit.

I have heard it said that the doctrines of the christian church are
inconvenient to say the least, and that incorrect interpretations
that lead to social discomfort ought to be dispensed with, but never
with such force as I am hearing from the Hillary and Republicans on TV.

[Hoof Hearted]

48. I'm sad about all the sadmess. It's just sad. It's OAD sad.

OAD.

Obama Affective Disorder. When you realize your candidate is not actually the center of the solar system.

[madfloridian]

10. Your Nazi statement scares me.

"Bleh, Wright is no more a "man of God" than the Nazi's were Christian."

What have people accepted in the course of supporting the Clintons?

[LakeSamish706]

17. Theres actually nothing surprising about saracat's remarks... It goes with her ...

make up.... It's a makeup that I can live without for sure.... What allows you to presume you know anything about Doctor Reverend Wright? Just another Hillbott that can't give it up... She has lost, face it, its over already....

[Windy]

19. You have a serious problem! did you even watch any of his speeches in total?

You certainly couldn't have.

[AZBlue]

36. You're just so full of anger and hate. It's sad to see.

[LakeSamish706]

11. I will say this, if the Clintons manage to steal this election... You can say hello...

to the next President of the United States, President John McCain... The African American electorate will so turn against Clinton and many others along with them.

[Windy]

20. You can say hello to new racial anger and tension in this country that will set us back decades

there will be no healing, I don't care when the election is decided. If the method used to trash obama and win an election is the demoralization of a well respected african american preacher, katie bar the door. The Clintons have taken this too far.

[LakeSamish706]

23. But I will tell ya one thing, it won't just be AA's on there own this time... There will..

be a good number of whites standing with the African American community against this bullshit.

[madfloridian]

26. I am white, and I am standing there already.

:hi:

[LakeSamish706]

27. I am with you on that... This is such bullshit and to understand that the Clintons...

could have involvement in this is reprehensible at best... Fuck the Clintons and all there supporters...

[pokercat999]

101. Because you are correct Clinton will not be the nominee.

IMHO.

The question becomes will she damage Obama so much that he can't win the general?

[Windy]

14. I would not vote for her in the general if I was paid a million. I've HAD IT with this woman

She is not fit to be president. I've had enough of old school political hacks. If Obama can't pull this out, I'm sitting home. PERIOD.

And until he turns it around, I think I'm gonna go offline and turn off my tv set!

[Skip Intro]

16. It is not unforgivable, it is accurate, dealing with REALITY.

I know that has been a forgotten word for some of you.

[Windy]

22. Racism and bigotry being used by a dem against a dem is reality? Maybe in HRC World!!

Its a damn shame. And the party will live to regret letting things get this out of hand.

[Skip Intro]

31. Show me racism in the quotes used in the OP. Please, show it to me. With quotes.

He WILL be an issue in Nov if Obama is the nominee. That is a political REALITY.

He should be "on the table" when discussing who our best candidate will be in Nov for that very reason.

Hillary responded to a question that she would have walked out of the church. I'm sure she would have, I would have too. Especially during the "Hillary sermon" where hatred was stirred among the congregation for the white oprressors of African Americans throught recent centuries, and Hillary, in the end, was held up as a symbol of that oppression.

Talk about racist fear-mongering.

Obama said himself, in clarification number 11, I believe, that had he heard some of those comments, eh would have walked out of the church himself. Except he said he would have objected to the "controversial" comments, and left it at that. Yeah, I define my conscience by what is controversial or not. Hey Obama, they only became controversial when they saw the light of day. Where have you been for the last twenty years?

I don't think the party should embrace hate-mongering from any corner.

Sorry to have to, like, think for myself here.

[Binka]

87. Poor Whitey. You Poor Thing. n/t

[jonestonesusa]

119. So you will no doubt agree that Bill Clinton's sex life is also a valid issue for this election?

I have no doubt that Republicans will raise that too, but I personally repudiate that thinking and I would think that other Democrats would also. Did you read the Rude Pundit piece today? I posted the link below. It addresses these very issues of how useful and fair (or useless and unfair) it is to raise these personal/proxy type of issues rather than looking at the Iraq War, our economy, health care, etc.

Nonetheless, these side issues will be raised, and candidates must be prepared for them. But I am not going to ignore the alienation and anger that issues like Wright/Lewinski causes, and I will never call them anything but the waste of time and bread-and-circus distraction from real business that they are. If Obama's campaign operatives were on the Hannity show going using such cheap and pointless tactics, I would be just as outraged. I reject and criticize the use of such tactics in a primary campaign among Democrats. Any supporter of the party's values ought to do that; it's your choice whether you do or not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5717405&mesg_id=5717405

[madfloridian]

25. Honesty and ethics...forgotten words by the Clintons

.

[madfloridian]

18. Just a few minutes in...and some already declaring Wright not a man of God.

I did not expect that.

I am stunned.

[LakeSamish706]

21. I'm not stunned at all, after all your dealing with Hillbotts here.... n/t

[Zodiak]

33. Be prepared to be more stunned

People will say anything....this is the kind of forum in which you will see people utter whatever the heck comes to mind without having any conviction at all behind their statements other than the desire to cynically manipulate their peers.

Your expectations are too high....this is primary season. Just note who it is coming from and understand that their insincerity might be the only consistent thing about their posting history.

[madfloridian]

37. My expectations are on the floor and heading toward the basement

just as Skinner asked us to do.

They can not get any lower, I fear.

I don't think it is in my nature to just not care.

[Cha]

24. The clintons have done a lot of "unforgiveable"

maneuvers in this campaign ..starting back on Oct 10, 2002 when she voted for the IWR 'cause she was going to run for president(Big Fat Chance, hilary).

Thanks for bringing all this.. on what the clintons are attempting to do on Wright, together and to the fore, mad.

[madfloridian]

28. Well, it does not make me popular here or well-liked....

but then I never was. So what's the difference.

I sometimes feel I can not take anymore pandering or stupidity or politics geared to the lowest common denominator.

:puke:

[Cha]

40. You know Obama

peeps like the facts and all those who don't like it are on Ignore for me.

We will persevere

[ZinZen]

61. Well MF I have always liked you

you and your "unpopular" ideas.

[madfloridian]

63. That brought a grin.

Thanks. :P

[emilyg]

42. Wright is doing it all by himself.

[Major Hogwash]

30. I don't know why you're surprised. Faux Snooze and Hillary go hand in hand.

Hell, Bubba has even been on Faux Snooze bragging about his latest and greatest gaffes.

It's ridiculous of McAufliffe to pander like that, but let him.
He's out of a job in 2 or 3 more weeks.

Maybe he can susbtitute for Hannity once in awhile and make fun of Alan Colmes like Hannity does.

[Yossariant]

34. A "Man of God" does not dry hump the pulpit in Church nor does he call on his

God to damn America.

[madfloridian]

41. I would fear to judge, lest I be judged.

.

[emilyg]

43. Exactly. Not any man of God I have met.

[madfloridian]

45. So how would you judge me...Christian, not Christian...can you read my soul and heart?

What would you say to judge me?

[emilyg]

47. I have not had thepleasure of listening to you.

[madfloridian]

50. But you consider yourself worthy to judge Wright, or me if you heard me?

Matthew 7
7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

[emilyg]

65. I'm not judging Wright - only God can.

I do have an opinion of him.

[graycem]

112. Do the men of God you have met

discard the book of Revelation? The one where God damns the entire world??

[anigbrowl]

52. Nor would a 'man of God' throw the moneychangers out of temple or condemn the priesthood

Oh, wait a minute...something isn't quite right here...

[lwcon]

86. Just shows how much you know about...

... men of God.

___

The Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy, now at my new home: Correntewire.com

[AZBlue]

39. It's vile. And those who still see a "problem" with Wright are sad.

To be so blinded by hate and anger - what a miserable way to live.

[emilyg]

44. I see hate in Wright.

[madfloridian]

46. I don't. I watched last night, and a lot of today's talk.

He is intelligent, and he is not afraid to speak truth.

[AZBlue]

49. That's your fear. What he says is right, but it's not threatening.

[emilyg]

67. It's my opinion.

[anigbrowl]

53. I'm pretty down on injustice and opression myself

It just makes me seethe!

[stillcool]

109. Do you see hate in ..

Martin Luther King Jr.?

[Freddie Stubbs]

132. Does that mean that Obama is now sad?

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

136. Obama did what he had to do....Hillary won on divisiveness.

.

[paulk]

51. more faux outrage

boo-fucking-hoo.

[Tellurian]

93. Wright found it important to mention, Obama will say anything to get elected!

The only worthwhile take away from his liturgic theater.

[Political Tiger]

142. Yeah, it's not like Hillary would say anything to get elected...

...I mean, it's not like Hillary would, say....lie over and over again about dodging sniper bullets just to get votes, now would she?

[rodeodance]

55. More CRYING from the Obama folk.

[skyounkin]

58. More bullshit

from the hillbots to try and save her failed campaign.

Again going back to Wright, who is not even a pastor or in that church anymore.

[Sapphocrat]

59. Pfffffffffffffft! That's the sound of milk shooting out of my nose!

It's Hillary's fault! It's Hillary's fault! Hillary did it! Hillareeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...!!!

Hillary is evil, I tell you! EEEEEVIL! She is a witch! She cast a spell on Wright to make him say mean things and bury Obama's campaign! It's Hillarrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

But back to the main point (if there is one) of your OP...

"Man of God"? Like that's supposed to be some sort of... erm... uh... free passport to untouchability?

Pat Robertson is a man of God. Franklin Graham is a man of God. Jack Hyles was a man of God. Bob Gray was a man of God. Pope Benedict is a man of God.

FRED FUCKING PHELPS is a man of God.

(Feel free to add your own Men-O'-God!)

Puh-leeeeeeeeeeeeze. I could get ordained on the Internet this bloody second, and become a WOman of God.

So, if I do, should I get a free pass no matter what I say now or in the future?

Is being a "Man-O'-God"(tm) like getting a pre-emptive pardon from Gerald Ford?

:rofl:

[madfloridian]

60. I don't see any criticism from Hillary or the media of Phelps or Hagee et al

Did I miss something?

Has her campaign been talking about Phelps? Or about Hagee? or the ones who are far more extreme than Wright?

I will check for your answer later.

[Sapphocrat]

62. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

You can't defend your ridiculous "Man-O'-God" post, so you sidestep (as per usual).

This is about Wright, and Obama. I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut about Hillary vs. Phelps, nor about Hagee (which is McCain's problem, not the Democratic Party's).

Just give it up, mf. You know you went so far out on this "Man-O'-God" limb, the branch broke, and now you're flat on your ass.

[madfloridian]

66. Wright actually is one...I don't judge the others but Phelps

Your quote which picks out your choice of who are men of God.

"Pat Robertson is a man of God. Franklin Graham is a man of God. Jack Hyles was a man of God. Bob Gray was a man of God. Pope Benedict is a man of God.

FRED FUCKING PHELPS is a man of God.

(Feel free to add your own Men-O'-God!)

Puh-leeeeeeeeeeeeze. I could get ordained on the Internet this bloody second, and become a WOman of God."

You are really saying some shocking things. Wright has been that church's pastor since the 70s.

How dare you judge him as not being a man of God.

I leave you to your judgments of others.

[Sapphocrat]

71. Shocking, my ass.

You're putting words in my mouth, and you know it -- and you should be ashamed of doing it, but you'd never in a million years admit to it.

I never said Wright wasn't a Man-O'-God, and you know it. And you also know that Men-O'-God are as prone to making stupid, ass-a-holic statements as all of us lesser beings. How dare YOU put Wright on a pedestal, while judging Phelps, Hagee, et al.?

You're not stupid -- but you're doing a damned good imitation of a person trying to convince reality-based thinkers that you're shocked -- SHOCKED! I say! -- with your gossamer-thin, pitifully transparent faux outrage.

But you just keep digging that gigantic sinkhole you're drowning in.

Your performance would be amusing if it weren't so tragic.

[madfloridian]

72. You are amazing.

Truly you are.

Glad that is not a personal attack.

[Sapphocrat]

74. I'm glad you've seen the light.

See, I can play dumb too.

[emilyg]

69. Perhaps they are not staying in the limelight.

[madfloridian]

73. Perhaps Hillary's campaign put Wright there in conjunction with the media.

What I see here lately is irrational hate toward anyone who speaks against Hillary.

[emilyg]

76. I see hate towards anyone who does not

support Obama.

[haymakeragain]

144. Uh, I think you see hate everywhere except Hillarianville, which,

sorry to say, is where a great deal of hate comes.

[Exilednight]

151. "FRED FUCKING PHELPS is a man of God." - No God that I know of. n/t

[VotesForWomen]

64. that "man of god" IS a political tool. nt

[madfloridian]

68. Could you explain that? Could you give a reason why he should be exploited?

I would appreciate it.

[Bluenorthwest]

117. Not why he should, but why he is, I can address

The reason this is an issue now is that Obama started out the whole campaign cycle last October by exploiting religious bigotries, baiting hooks with a minority or two, and hooking in the intolerance vote.
Obama is the one who used a whole cast of Evangelical ministers on an entire tour. That is exploiting religion, although I'd never call those bigots men of God. But face it, the church thing is something Obama brought to the table. In the fall, Senator Obama praised the role of 'faith' even when it caused bigotry, he said that the homophopes he courted with McClurkin were 'good, decent and moral people' and that is an odd statement compared to his SF statements about religous voters in Penn.
Obama is the one who chose to hold campaign events with hugely religious overtones, and a surrogate who openly preached against the Americans he does not like. He's the one who made an Evangelical preacher who camapigned for GW Bush and sang to W at GOP convention 2004 into a surrogate for a Democratic Senator running for President.
To claim that Obama has not used religion as a device and a tool to be exploited for political gain is silly. His campaign has been more religious than any Democratic campaign I have seen in 48 years. So gee, he is the one who said it was important when it got him votes, even when it pissed off millions of loyal Democrats.
Selective vision is what I see in you post. Exploiting religion was 100% GOP territory until Obama unleashed McClurkin and Caldwell and the rest of his anti-gay hit squad.
Rev Wright is a great guy who says some wild stuff. He has always stood by my community as has his chuch. I stand by him, although that makes me into the most unpopular person at DU. I like Wright but take issue with Obama's exploitation of religious intolerance and well known Republican anti-gay activists.
But October makes him first in the touting of the Cross for votes parade. And the nature of the events he and DuBois produced puts him in the far lead in terms of exploiting religious figures. The McClurkin events coupled with his SF Statements on religion make him the winner of the forked tounge on faith award. It is great when it helps him even as it hurts others, but faith is a bitter symptom when it harms the Obama delegate count?
Obama is the one who dragged religion into this contest. Also his baiting is what drove away his GLBT support, which in a race this close, sure seems like it might come in handy long about now. A couple of million votes extra say, heavy in NY and CA...sounds dreamy!
The one sided, selective vision makes the whole thread into a wank. Hint: if your candidate exploits religion, you are a hypocrite to claim others do. Obama does, when and however it suits him. And now he is tasting the reality of that tactic. There is a reason Democrats don't throw revival shows with hate preachers. Hell even Goldwater knew that bull was poison to political Parties. Obama thought no rules applied.
Sad that he is letting Wright take the heat like this. Trinity has done some great works. They are the kind of church folk who almost make up for the McClurkinites like Bush.

[seaglass]

152. Well said. n/t

[madfloridian]

70. I am glad I posted this, but for a different reason than I thought.

I am seeing sides of people who judge others' religious faith.

[goclark]

105. Your post is outstanding K

[madfloridian]

75. I never expected the "Wright is not a man of God " posts.

I thought I had seen everything here in the last 6 years. But nothing prepared me for the people who just come right out and say he is not a man of God.

[Leopolds Ghost]

78. I've heard that Anyone who is a socialist of any sort, is not a man of God.

That is what most Americans believe.

They have been raised in the Calvinist heresy,
which is the real foundation for most Americans' belief system.

not any mere political or national pride that
compels them to detest such remarks by a competing church.

It is what they are taught to believe,
even of those who aren't so far to the left
and are patriotic. But certainly their minimum
qualification is, as one black hillary supporter
megachurch pastor in LA put it, that you must
love your country more than you love God and
love your own salvation more than your neighbors' welfare.

Which is the precise source of the Calvinist heresy.

They like the churches who give out free gas on weekends to
help the "deserving", but do nothing for the "trifling" poor.

[Leopolds Ghost]

77. "You dont choose your family, but you do choose your church"=what an ignorant unChristian statement.

How apropos that Clinton would have said it.

What church one worships at is a profound decision that is not to be reversed lightly or based on the controversality of a pastor's or parishioner's words. Jesus had a few choice words about Pharisees like Clinton.

She is a practitioner of sophistry, casuistry, and the fine art of distributing indulgences.

[Enrique]

80. since when are "men of God" sacred cows?

so to speak?

Especially on DU?

[graycem]

115. Since they speak the truth

Do you disagree with what he said about U.S. foreign policy? Because that is what is at the heart of this matter. Do you think we were attacked because the terrorists hate our freedom like Bush asserts, or because we meddle in their affairs and kill their families more than we should?

[Enrique]

121. I didn't hear what he said

but the OP is saying "men of God" are off-limits.

I'm saying :wtf:

[HuffleClaw]

81. its the MEDIA that is doing this

as has been planned all along. they built obama up from obscurity and are now tearing him down, as planned. with the added bonus of being able to blame it all on hillary. this was a plan YEARS in the making and its working like a charm, and it will end up with mccain in the white house.

[JeffR]

82. I'm torn on this. I think the media running with it came first

and the Clinton campaign latched on to it after, as a desperate but convenient tactic. Either way, it's reprehensible.

If America is ever going to be fixed, it has to begin with media reform.

[jackson_dem]

83. Please. Being a "man of god" doesn't make you immune to being responsible for your words

"Don't tell me words don't matter!"--Deval Patrick/David Axlerod

[Tellurian]

94. Yes, Wright is so Jesus-Like..

Jesus always wanted a $10 mil mansion. He just wasn't here long enough, I guess.

Farrakhan is Wright's Jesus!

[jonestonesusa]

140. I see. So we have to rely on the Clintons

to learn how to live out a life of poverty.

Failure to pay campaign bills to small businesses doesn't count.

[haymakeragain]

145. He's far more christ-like than anything coming from you.

You've got some answering to do, but not to me so save it.

[PurityOfEssence]

84. A "Man of God" is not inherently superior to any other private citizen; that's aristocracy

The claim that many make that clergy are morally superior to the rest of us is a pernicious form of privilege. It's anti-pluralist, borderline monarchic and intrusive.

People need to be responsible for their actions, and when one is a quasi public figure, one is under scrutiny and should watch one's mouth.

Whatever thin argument Wright had that previous inflammatory tirades were taken out of context and not meant for the public since bellowed within the family of a congregation is completely swept away by the combative megalomania of the last two days; those floorshows were in the big, wide open public forum, planned and presuming scrutiny.

People who hide behind the collar to do as they please are not playing fair. People who claim some kind of immunity to the purveyors of the supernatural have a bit of trouble with the concept of democracy.

Religion in the public sphere is dangerous and fraught with unintended consequences, and that's largely because it has a tendency to demand to be above the laws of discourse.

[madfloridian]

110. Planned because he was used as a tool to hurt Obama

This is America, and he has every right to defend himself and his church.

The former first family used tasteless tactics.

[PurityOfEssence]

126. Fine. But I dispute the outrage; a "Man of God" is no more important or exalted than a commoner

I actively reject the outrage at hounding some otherworldly saint; these are human beings and no "better" than any others. In many cases, they're charlatans and fools, even if in many cases they're sincere and honorable.

The issue I take is the same one I took: it's no worse slagging a man of the cloth who's a close associate of a candidate and one whom the candidate credits with much of his ethical underpinning than it is in firing a volley at a PR Flak. The aristocracy of religion is anti-pluralist.

[ccharles000]

85. Yes Hillary is behind it all.

I mean if you think about it she is an evil woman with great powers. My guess is she concocted a magical apple that forced the Reverend to go and give speeches until he drops.






Damn you Hillary damn you.

[Raine]

88. I'm not sure if it was the media or the Clintons

that started it but I'm sure the Clintons are keeping it going and loving every second of it.

[2rth2pwr]

89. Obama disagrees with you, he says that Wright and his words are a legitimate issue.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

90. hahaha I wonder how much Hillary&Co paid the good Rev Wright to give those speeches&TV interviews?!?

[indimuse]

91. YOU should JUST STOP ALREADY!

Quit! THIS is Barack-Bok -Bok's mess!Always has been and you can't blame Hillary for this...There is something seriously WRONG with you people! Wait for Rezko....iiiittt's coming.....along with Auchi...Truth is a GOOD thing!

[jonestonesusa]

120. I haven't seen one Clinton supporter address the links in the post

which show that the swiftboating of Wright is an intentional political tactic. We are now having an intraparty discussion, a chance to exchange ideas related to this monumental election campaign rather than engage in cheap sarcasm. Does it bother any one that a private citizen, Wright, has had to engage in a media blitz because Obama's political opponents have raised these issues? That he has received death threats? That he is a Democrat too? Is any of this relevant to the Clinton supporters?

Or not?

[BzaDem]

92. OBAMA HIMSELF said that this was a legit issue. STOP blaming the Clintons for everything.

Did Clinton enlist Wright to talk for hours on the media? Did Clinton force Obama to attend his church for 20 years?

Do you really think Clinton would have listened to inflamatory rhetoric about 9/11 and about the US creating AIDS, and then stayed in the church?

[Tellurian]

96. Only rabid Clintons..haters have the subversive mentality for pretzel logic..

[haymakeragain]

146. Projection is permanent,

too bad for you.

[stillcool]

111. Here's what Clinton listens to...

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics
.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has saidThe Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.

------------------------------

These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.

Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-3.html

[haymakeragain]

147. NOW THAT'S CREEPY SHIT

Not to the Hillarians though, it all about their entitlement.

[stillcool]

113. 9/11..Chickens coming home to roost....

and what you will not hear at Hillary Clinton's Church.

Blowback
excerpted from the book
Blowback The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
by Chalmers Johnson
Henry Holt, 2000
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blowback_CJohnson/Blowback_BCJ.html

p8
The term "blowback," which officials of the Central Intelligence Agency first invented for their own internal use, is starting to circulate among students of international relations. It refers to the unintended consequences of policies that were kept secret from the American people. What the daily press reports as the malign acts of "terrorists" or "drug lords" or "rogue states" or "illegal arms merchants" often turn out to be blowback from earlier American operations.
p9
One man's terrorist is, of course, another man's freedom fighter, and what U.S. officials denounce as unprovoked terrorist attacks on its innocent citizens are often meant as retaliation for previous American imperial actions. Terrorists attack innocent and undefended American targets precisely because American soldiers and sailors firing cruise missiles from ships at sea or sitting in B-52 bombers at extremely high
altitudes or supporting brutal and repressive regimes from Washington seem invulnerable. As members of the Defense Science Board wrote in a 1997 report to the undersecretary of defense for acquisition and technology, "Historical data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. In addition, the military asymmetry that denies nation states the ability to engage in overt attacks against the United States
drives the use of transnational actors that is, terrorists from one country attacking in another."
The most direct and obvious form of blowback often occurs when the victims fight back after a secret American bombing, or a U.S.-sponsored campaign of state terrorism, or a CIA-engineered overthrow of a foreign political leader. All around the world today, it is possible to see the groundwork being laid
for future forms of blowback.
------------------------------------------
Terrorism(by definition)strikes at the innocent in order to draw attention to the sins of the invulnerable. The innocent of the twenty-first century are going to harvest unexpected blowback disasters from the imperialist escapades of recent
decades. Although most Americans may be largely ignorant of what was, and still is, being done in their names, all are likely to pay a steep price-individually and collectively-for their nation's continued efforts to dominate the global scene. Before the damage of heedless triumphalist acts and the
triumphalist rhetoric and propaganda that goes with them becomes irreversible, it is important to open a new discussion of our global role during and after the Cold War...
------------------------
"Blowback" is shorthand for saying that a nation reaps what it sows, even if it does not fully know or understand what it has sown. Given its wealth and power, the United States will be a prime recipient in the foreseeable future of all of the more expectable forms of blowback, particularly terrorist attacks
against Americans in and out of the armed forces anywhere on earth, including within the United States. But it is blowback in its larger aspect-the tangible costs of empire-that truly threatens it. Empires are costly operations, and they become more costly by the year. The hollowing out of American industry,
for instance, is a form of blowback-an unintended negative consequence of American policy- even though it is seldom recognized as such. The growth of militarism in a once democratic society is another example of blowback. Empire is the problem. Even though the United States has a strong sense of invulnerability and substantial military and economic tools to make such a feeling credible, the fact of its imperial
pretensions means that a crisis is inevitable. More imperialist projects simply generate more blowback. If we do not begin to solve problems in more prudent and modest ways, blowback will only become more intense.

The American Empire: 1992 to present
from the book
Killing Hope
by William Blum
2004 edition


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/American_Empire_KH2004.html

Following its bombing of Iraq in 1991, the United States wound up with military bases in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.
Following its bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, the United States wound up with military bases in Kosovo, Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Hungary, Bosnia and Croatia.
Following its bombing of Afghanistan in 2001-2, the United States wound up with military bases in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Yemen and Djibouti.
Following its bombing and invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States wound up with Iraq.
This is not very subtle foreign policy. Certainly not covert. The men who run the American Empire are not easily embarrassed And that is the way the empire grows-a base in every neighborhood, ready to be mobilized to put down any threat to imperial rule, real or imagined. Fifty-eight years after world War II ended, the United States still has major bases in Germany and Japan; fifty ears after the end of the Korean War, tens of thousands of American armed forces continue to be stationed in South Korea.
"America will have a continuing interest and presence in Central Asia of a kind that we could not have dreamed of before," US Secretary of State Colin Powell declared in February 2002. Later that year, the US Defense Department announced: "The United States Military is currently deployed to more locations then it
has been throughout history."

A Brief History of U.S. Interventions: 1945 to the Present
by William Blum
Z magazine , June 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html
The United States carried out extremely serious interventions into more than 70 nations in this period.

[stillcool]

114. Why would anyone think that the US ..

created the AIDS virus?

1931 - Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.

1932 - The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated.

1935 - The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occurred within poverty-stricken black populations.

1940 - Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions during the Holocaust.

1942 - Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945 and made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human guinea pigs rather than serve on active duty.

1943 - In response to Japan's full-scale germ warfare program, the U.S. begins research on biological weapons at Fort Detrick, MD.

1944 - U.S. Navy uses human subjects to test gas masks and clothing. Individuals were locked in a gas chamber and exposed to mustard gas and lewisite.

1945 - Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States.

1945 - "Program F" is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of national security because of fear that lawsuits would undermine full-scale production of atomic bombs.

1946 - Patients in VA hospitals are used as guinea pigs for medical experiments. In order to allay suspicions, the order is given to change the word "experiments" to "investigations" or "observations" whenever reporting a medical study performed in one of the nation's veteran's hospitals.

1947 - Colonel E.E. Kirkpatrick of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission issues a secret document (Document 07075001, January 8, 1947) stating that the agency will begin administering intravenous doses of radioactive substances to human subjects.

1947 - The CIA begins its study of LSD as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge.

1950 - Department of Defense begins plans to detonate nuclear weapons in desert areas and monitor downwind residents for medical problems and mortality rates.

1950 - In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Francisco. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.

1951 - Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.

1953 - U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.

1953 - Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.

1953 - CIA initiates Project MKULTRA. This is an eleven year research program designed to produce and test drugs and biological agents that would be used for mind control and behavior modification. Six of the subprojects involved testing the agents on unwitting human beings.

1955 - The CIA, in an experiment to test its ability to infect human populations with biological agents, releases a bacteria withdrawn from the Army's biological warfare arsenal over Tampa Bay, Fl.

1956 - U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects.

1960 - The Army Assistant Chief-of-Staff for Intelligence (ACSI) authorizes field testing of LSD in Europe and the Far East. Testing of the European population is code named Project THIRD CHANCE; testing of the Asian population is code named Project DERBY HAT.

1965 - Project CIA and Department of Defense begin Project MKSEARCH, a program to develop a capability to manipulate human behavior through the use of mind-altering drugs.

1965 - Prisoners at the Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia are subjected to dioxin, the highly toxic chemical component of Agent Orange used in Viet Nam. The men are later studied for development of cancer, which indicates that Agent Orange had been a suspected carcinogen all along.

1966 - CIA initiates Project MKOFTEN, a program to test the toxicological effects of certain drugs on humans and animals.

1966 - U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates.

1967 - CIA and Department of Defense implement Project MKNAOMI, successor to MKULTRA and designed to maintain, stockpile and test biological and chemical weapons.

1968 - CIA experiments with the possibility of poisoning drinking water by injecting chemicals into the water supply of the FDA in Washington, D.C.

1969 - Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense requests from congress $10 million to develop, within 5 to 10 years, a synthetic biological agent to which no natural immunity exists.

1970 - Funding for the synthetic biological agent is obtained under H.R. 15090. The project, under the supervision of the CIA, is carried out by the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, the army's top secret biological weapons facility. Speculation is raised that molecular biology techniques are used to produce AIDS-like retroviruses.

1970 - United States intensifies its development of "ethnic weapons" (Military Review, Nov., 1970), designed to selectively target and eliminate specific ethnic groups who are susceptible due to genetic differences and variations in DNA.

1975 - The virus section of Fort Detrick's Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retrovirologists isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).

1977 - Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

1978 - Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.

1981 - First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine.

1985 - According to the journal Science (227:173-177), HTLV and VISNA, a fatal sheep virus, are very similar, indicating a close taxonomic and evolutionary relationship.

1986 - According to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (83:4007-4011), HIV and VISNA are highly similar and share all structural elements, except for a small segment which is nearly identical to HTLV. This leads to speculation that HTLV and VISNA may have been linked to produce a new retrovirus to which no natural immunity exists.

1986 - A report to Congress reveals that the U.S. Government's current generation of biological agents includes: modified viruses, naturally occurring toxins, and agents that are altered through genetic engineering to change immunological character and prevent treatment by all existing vaccines.

1987 - Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.

1990 - More than 1500 six-month old black and Hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an "experimental" measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.

1994 - With a technique called "gene tracking," Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made.

1994 - Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials included mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War.

1995 - U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research.

1995 - Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections.

1996 - Department of Defense admits that Desert Storm soldiers were exposed to chemical agents.

1997 - Eighty-eight members of Congress sign a letter demanding an investigation into bioweapons use & Gulf War Syndrome.

Dark Alliance:

The CIA, The Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion

By Gary Webb

http://www.uhuh.com/bbks/darkalli.htm

[jonestonesusa]

122. And I'm sure that to point out America's history of secret operations

which targeted black activists among many others will be met by silence from HRC supporters, who seem unwilling to discuss or righteously criticize these documented actions of the U.S. government, unless they are actions of George Bush (even Pres. Clinton made some effort to rectify past atrocities like these with the Tuskegee Airmen and other cases). For HRC supporters, I guess it's OK to vote for Bush's unprovoked war and all the attendant violations of international law and civil liberties, as long as you're a Democrat. But to criticize unjust secret operations or to suggest that they have long-term and catastrophic consequences, as Rev. Wright has done, is a cause for faux outrage.

Pretzel logic prevails again...

[stillcool]

153. The brouhaha over Wright's...

'chickens coming home to roost' about 9/11 floors me. It's like the past 6 years didn't happen. The rallying cry of "We were attacked, We were attacked" scares the shit out of me. There is a fervent, shrillness to the language that does not have good vibes.

[GeorgeGist]

95. major faux paux ...

to fall for a self-proclaimed 'man of God'.

[Jawja]

97. Great point.

And I don't remember hearing Hillary Clinton condemn Jerry Falwell for his disgusting declarations that 9-11 was the fault of Americans (you know, the "Gays, Lesbians, Feminists and the ACLU...??).

It would have been nice to see Falwell taken to task by the Clinton (after all, she did represent New York) and the rest of the so-called "media' as well the way they are slandering Wright.

[Perry Logan]

98. Obamites keep blaming Hillary for their candidate's screw-ups. Not a good sign.

[DemVet]

100. This so-called "reverend" is not a man of God...he's a man of HATE.

[jonestonesusa]

123. Since you said it I guess we should consider it...

and you base your opinion on what evidence or reasoning?

[The Backlash Cometh]

102. Kick

[GoldieAZ49]

103. Bury your head in the sand if you want

no one else is and there is nothing wrong with what the Clinton campaign has said.

Obama will never win a GE, maybe you prefer McCain most of us don't.

[goclark]

104. I couldn't have said it any better ~ K and R

There are no words to describe my anger at HC.

I will never forgive her for all of the slime that she has brought to this campaign.
It is one thing to fight.
It is another thing to fight in the gutter.

This is gutter politics and America deserves better that HC/BC

[The Stranger]

106. The Clintons are playing upon good old fashioned racism.

They are forever lost to me.

[madfloridian]

107. The comments in this thread...

show just how divided our country is. And you are right, they did use racism.

Just got online and am stunned to see how many people are judging Wright's christianity status, and declaring he is not a man of God.

I am kind of reeling after reading some of them.

It is heartbreaking to see the ugliness toward anyone who questions what they did, and to see the religious judgement.

It leaves a sick feeling.

I think our party leaders should read the comments. I think it might shock them.

[graycem]

116. They of course are exploiting it for

political advantage, but it is politics, so let her have at it, without "blaming" her. Be disgusted by it, but Wright said his words, not her. I was annoyed that she didn't defend Obama from the guilt by association thing, and it makes me think less of her, but, she's trying to win, so I don't "blame" her.

But what bothers me about some of her supporters here, would you disagree with what he had to say if he wasn't Obama's pastor?

Are you letting your bias ignore his words, the same words that I've said myself, and probably many of you have before this primary got underway?

I guess it makes me unpatriotic and blasphemous to say that I disagree with Bush, that the terrorists do not hate us for our freedom, but our tendency to be involved in the politics of their countries, and usually for oil. Killing their families, taking their resources by force. Hmm.

If anyone disagrees with Wright's statements, it stands to reason you must agree with President Bush. Do you?

[invictus]

118. The Clintons' bagman "agrees with Speaker Gingrich." Why am I not surprised? n/t

[Bentcorner]

124. Isn't blaming a Clinton for everything something Republicans used to do?

Hillary didn't choose Wright to be Obama's spiritual adviser. Obama did.

[madfloridian]

125. Hillary chose Doug Coe...and The Fellowship.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1474

Read up.

[madfloridian]

128. I guess Hillary is praising the Lord today that Obama had to disown his pastor.

Now will she disown her relationship with Doug Coe and The Fellowship?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1474

I feel a post coming on about talking about her relationship with the Nelsons and The Fellowship

Let er rip.

[SeaLyons]

129. OMG...

how silly...all this faux outrage!!!

[madfloridian]

130. Is she cackling yet? She got him to denounce Wright.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1474

Now let's talk about Hillary and the Nelsons and The Fellowship and Doug Coe.

[SeaLyons]

133. My, My....

what powers you think Hillary has.....

[madfloridian]

She is in bed with right wing media moguls now....

so she has the power. And Hillary cackled.

[madfloridian]

135. Duplicate post

.

[haymakeragain]

148. It's real outrage, that you Hillarians are so rovian.

Sad actually, that it had to come to this.

[Hoof Hearted]

131. You can find your man of God under Obama's bus now.

[QC]

139. Hey, it's getting awfully crowded under here! b/r

[haymakeragain]

149. I thought that's what you wanted?

Obama didn't make you happy stooping down to Hill's level? what more can he do?

[Scout]

137. he shouldn't be treated any better or worse than someone who is not a "man of god" n/t

[haymakeragain]

143. Same old Rovian shit.

same shit, different day.

[DeanDem10]

150. Thanks madfloridian n/t

[Ramonna Villota]

154. I m so

Ashamed

[IsItJustMe]

155. Hillary will be dead to the AA community. It's sad that her and her people didn't think about that

while running their dirty campaign. There is no chance in hell she could win in the GE. NONE

[Texas Hill Country]

157. LOL, i see we are all resurrecting threads again... super duper.