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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:36 PM
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Latest Newsweek poll shows Obama dropping like a brick
http://www.newsweek.com/id/134389

After an important primary win in Pennsylvania, Hillary Clinton has reduced Democratic rival Barack Obama's double-digit lead among registered Democrats and voters leaning Democratic by more than half, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. Plagued by controversies over Rev. Jeremiah Wright's comments and the candidate's own "bitter" remarks, Obama has seen his favorability rating slip significantly in the last week, the poll found.

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One of the more problematic results for Obama was that four in 10 of registered voters (including Republicans and independents) now have an unfavorable opinion of him--and the same number said there is "no chance" they will vote for Obama if he becomes the nominee. Four in 10 registered voters (41 percent) say they have a less favorable opinion of Obama based on his association with his former pastor, Rev. Wright, whose racially and politically inflammatory sermons have been circulated on the Internet and covered in the media. A similar number (42 percent) say they will not vote for Obama because of comments he made about "bitter" small-town residents clinging to guns and religion.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:38 PM
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1. You do know that is ALL voters, not just democrats.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:39 PM
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2. That must be why Clyburn is out shouting "Racism!" again...it worked last time
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:54 PM
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12. Clyburn is telling the truth.
She wants to rough up Obama so she can run again in 2012. You know it and I know it.

Why can't you Hillbots see it?

Oh, that's right! Those rose colored glasses are robbing you of your sight and your senses.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:58 PM
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13. Hillarity has burned so many bridges
there's no way in fucking hell she'll get anywhere near the presidency in 2012. This is as close as she gets, and she blew it.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:34 PM
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28. Stop copying the r/e habit
...of distorting the names of democrats. Leave it to the freepertypes to show our candidates disrespect.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:43 PM
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29. Her Royal Hillary doesn't DESERVE respect.
Her "politics as usual" tactics is the iceberg to the Democratic Party's Titanic.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:56 PM
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36. Then nor do you
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:21 PM
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47. Whatever!
:eyes:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:14 PM
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68. Great put down
original.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:15 PM
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40. I USED to have respect for Bill and Hillary
then THEY began to act like right wingers. I'd defended them since Bill was President, right up until her shameful campaign. I'm not going to be told by you or anyone that I HAVE to respect them, or pretend to. And make sure you lecture those who use O'bigot et al.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:31 PM
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30. Obama has ripped the Dem party apart with his racist smears
Ugly race-baiter from start to finish, pretending he 'doesn't want to get bogged down' in ..... yeah, answering for his campaign's race-baiting slanders. His Rovian tactics are copied from GW in his campaigns against Gore and Kerry, where, with the media's help, he 'stayed above' the politics of personal destruction... That his campaign was smearing Al Gore with.

It's OK with the media here again, as they've been more than willing to play Obama's race-baiting against the Clintons with no questions asked. Then creditting Obama with 'staying above' the fray... That his campaign has been smearing the Clintons with.

This is the kind of behavior he has used throughout the primary against the then-presumptive nominee, Hillary. You know, exactly what Obama's supporters have been claiming Hillary is doing, hurting their candidate. As with almost everything else, it's a one-way street with them. Obama is the only candidate in this race who has played a vile game.

If Obama gets the nomination, expect many Democrats to "no way in fucking hell" support him. Any Democrat who does will be accepting David Duke level tactics in the Dem party against other Democrats. I've never seen anything like it.

No Dem in good conscience should countenance that.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:38 PM
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:38 PM
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39. Did you get that from the Onion? Pretty funny stuff. Love satire!
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:00 PM
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57. Race baiting? Since when have Democrats taken up using Limpball quotes? n/t
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:03 PM
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58. Your "...then-presumptive nominee, Hillary." really jumps out at me.
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 11:04 PM by scarletwoman
"Presumptive" to who? I NEVER wanted her to be the nominee, going as far back as at 2002.

Throughout the past the 2+ years there have been plenty of us who absolutely did NOT want Clinton to be the Dem nominee -- long before Obama even announced.

I wanted Kucinich, just as I did in 2004. When Kucinich dropped out I went to Edwards. Now I'm stuck with Obama by default -- there are a few things about him that I do appreciate -- basically, his biggest appeal for me is that he's the only means left of preventing a Clinton nomination.

Preventing Clinton from getting the nomination is something I have fervently pursued from the very beginning. Not least because of arrogant crap like "presumptive nominee".

Yeah, that was DAMN presumptive -- presumptious, even. We were hearing this even before all the other primary candidates announced.

I very much resent being told to bow down to an inevitability -- at the very least, it brings out the rebel in me.

sw
:hippie:

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:06 PM
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59. ...
its disgusting that anyone could even think to label the Clintons as racist.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:36 PM
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62. I've never seen anything like it either...
December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:35 PM
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38. Yep. That's why she's acting like a desperate fool.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:31 PM
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26. you just repeat the latest talking points. Do you even wait for them to stir your brain or just
repeat them?

2012? What a joke. I cannot even believe that talking point made it as far as it did. I guess I should not be surprised: anything to attack Clinton, no matter how far fetched.

Does anyone not SEE the coincidence that Clyburn comes out like clockwork when SC and now NC are up? Does anyone not See that they are playing the race card because Obama needs it to win?

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:00 PM
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14. The race card shows up every time Obama is slowing down or losing!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:53 PM
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35. When you have TeamHill with McSame with the corporate media ALL dumping on Obama, of course you'll
see this. Open your eyes. They are trying to muckrake this good man with any piece of biased propaganda they can loop endlessly through the corporate whore media and the ultra corporate whore right wing radio world. The right wing thugs and the corporate crapola media WANT Obama out so that they can then slam away on SlickHilly whose honeymoon with them will come to a screeching halt. They WANT to run against Hillary because they know how much HALF of the country automatically hates her and they are hoping and praying she gets it so that their people will dance in the streets and STUFF their coffers with cash and their offices with volunteers lined up around the block for the chance to run against their arch enemy Hillary Clinton.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:07 PM
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37. Obama crumbles before Faux news; Obama pulls a humpydumpy and turns chicken




http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/senior_obama_adviser_obama_wil.php

"Obama's decision to go on Fox News has prompted a lot of discussion about the Illinois Senator's relationship with Rupert Murdoch and whether Obama is trying to "court" the media mogul in advance of the general election.

It's also been met with some dismay in the blogosphere, where folks had worked hard to push Dems to boycott Fox as a way of snuffing out whatever is left of the network's credibility.

But how do Obama and his advisers view this? What do they have to say about it?

The senior Obama adviser insists that Obama is under no illusions about Fox and what it represents, and that this isn't about courtship at all, and vows a confrontational approach on Sunday.

Here is what the adviser IM-ed me about this today:

We are clear-eyed about Fox’'s role in the dissemination and amplification of Republican talking points this election. They have been the tip of the spear when it comes to repeatedly broadcasting some of the most specious of rumors about Obama. He is going on their Sunday show to take Fox on, not because we have any illusion about their motives or politics in this election.
The Obama adviser declined to detail how he'd be taking on Fox. But if Obama does this, it could end up playing to his advantage. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out".

What actually happened:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/26/obama-no-more-debates-before-next-primary/

"Wallace said that if Obama had won Pennsylvania he may not have accepted the FOX News Sunday invitation. But he said that once Obama met him for the interview, the Illinois senator was “friendly” and discussed several moderate-to-Republican viewpoints, making an apparent effort to broaden his appeal.

“He made it very clear he was not some left … liberal and he had been mischaracterized as such,” Wallace said. “I think this was an effort to sort of restore or regain the brand that he had some months ago, when he was saying there wasn’t a Republican solution, or a Democratic solution. It was a new politics and it needed to be a coalition.”

Not only did he cave..but he embraced Rethug issues..
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:40 PM
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3. Obama still up nealry 10 points. nm
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:40 PM
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4. So, 60% or ALL REGISTERED VOTERS will vote for Senator Obama?
Sounds like a winner to me...
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:46 PM
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7. Depends where they live.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:26 PM
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22. please do`t confuse the issue...
..hillary is going to win because obama is`t liked by 40% of the people....
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:41 PM
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5. he still leads by 7 after her PA win?
wasn't that her final fire wall?

Yep. Its over.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:44 PM
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6. Wow, that's a precipitous drop! It's slipping away from Obama.....
The survey found that Clinton now trails Obama by seven points, down from 19 just one week ago. The previous NEWSWEEK poll, conducted on the eve of the Pennsylvania primary, found that more than half (55 percent) of registered voters believed Obama was more electable, while 33 percent gave the edge to Clinton. The current poll finds Obama leading 46 percent to 38 percent.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:48 PM
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9. Well, Hil can't win the GE, and won't be able to get anything done even if she does,
so this is pretty much the death knell for democracy and the US of the founders. We had a good run. Within a few years those of us (Obamans, mainly) who believe in the America of the first 200 years will be back, with a vengance.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:47 PM
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8. Duh... after what 5-6 weeks of solid MSM hammering at Wright, Ayers, bitter,
elitist, and all that... you expect his favorability rating to be UP?

The usual suspects in the MSM (about 90%) are FOR McCain, not Clinton who is a temporary means to an end in this situation. They will work extremely hard to promote McCain and get him elected as they did Bush in 2000 and 2004. Their primary job is to demean and diminish Democrats.
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:53 PM
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11. Wrightgate hasnt been hammered yet, its only just begun
And unlike what Obamabots on DU think, Wright is not such a loveable guy.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:00 PM
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16. thanks for your concern.
But I'd still GLADLY place my money on Obama.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:01 PM
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17. And you don't think they'll hammer Clinton about all her lies?
You're up in the sky if you think they won't do the same thing to Clinton as they're doing to Obama.

The problem, though, is that Clinton's numbers are so low as is, the Bosnia flap and all her lies to try and cover it up will put her at McGovern, Carter and Mondale levels.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 03:51 PM
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10. Still lower negatives then Hillary but she consistently has high negatives
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usrbs Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:00 PM
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15. I'll never understand people, especuially Republicans
I have many reasons for supporting Clinton, and I had misgivings about Obama before the Wright thing exploded. And I can understand people, especially conservatives not voting for Obama because of Wright. I've tried to talk several Clinton-supporting Republicans out of that stance, to no avail. But to refuse to vote for Obama because of bitter-gate? Even I, an HRC supporter, think that's beyond dumb.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:10 PM
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18. Where is that deck of race cards!!!!!
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 04:15 PM by candice
Time for another lecture on race (hope your grandmother isn't listening).

Calling the Clintons racists was the campaign's first major mistake. Not having the DNC vet him, was the first. Someone who is representing South Side can attend a church such as Rev. Wright's, but as soon as your opponents self-destruct and you are catapulted into the U.S. Senate, it is time to find a more moderate church, one that all of your constituents could attend without disgust.

Here's some investigative reporting that the Republicans already know about:


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0803/S00452.htm

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0804/S00064.htm
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:30 PM
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24. #74
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:14 PM
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19. That 42% is The Republican Base Minus the 4-6% that are Reasonable Republicans
planning to cross-over and vote for Senator Obama in November.

mike kohr
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:59 PM
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55. This is what we have tried to explain to Obamites forever
As people got know him better more people would dislike him, especially rethugs and indies. His crossover appeal was always a fairy tale. The more they learn about him, the more the magic wears off and his crossover appeal to indies is quickly vanishing and it is only April...
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:56 AM
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65. This Proves Obama Will Crush Senator McSurge in November
42% of the total electorate is near the basement level of the base of the Republican party. An additional 4% to 6% of the total American electorate are moderate Republicans and Republican leaning Independents that Senator Obama is drawing support from in the primary and will hold in the general.

Senator Clinton will pull exactly 0% of this moderate Republican/Independent vote in the general election. And it is Senator Clinton that has slipped to dangerous/fatal levels in the polling regarding "negatives." For example over 60% of all Americans regard her as dishonest, and in this rating she is even slipping badly among Democratic voters.

The great middle of the American electorate determines national elections. Senator Obama has held and will continue to hold sway over that demographic.

mike kohr
-Victory in '08-
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:22 PM
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20. i guess he`s finished....yup he`s done
hillary wins the nomination....!!!!!
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:24 PM
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21. your avatar represents you well.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:24 PM
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49. i love you!
:hug:
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:46 AM
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70. back at ya
:hug:
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:27 PM
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23. Mission Accomplished
Hillary 2012!
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:30 PM
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25. Sad but true ...
If Hillary can't win this year, NO Democrat will be allowed to win. She can't wait until 2016. She figures it's either this year or in 2012.

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:32 PM
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27. Did you read the last paragraph on religion?
Amazing.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:34 PM
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31. Karl Rove was probably conducting the poll.
Who would you vote for? The nice, white lady or the evil, black guy Osama?
:rofl:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:45 PM
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33. I've heard that before.
:rofl:

Somehow his bricks always rise to the top.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:42 PM
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43. precisely. and after he wins NC, OR, & breaks even in IN, his
national numbers will change again. It's all about perception. I heard on the radio this morning that early voting lines, here in NC, look like those you see in the GE. I think Obama's support in NC is being underestimated. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:50 PM
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34. These polls are not helping my sanity.
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 05:50 PM by Perry Logan
Not that there was ever much hope for my sanity.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:17 PM
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41. I feel nauseous from the roller coaster effect.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:31 PM
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42. Wow! HIllary still can't beat a contoversial black man with baggage.
:shrug:
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:44 PM
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45. Exactly. And what does that portend when she goes up against a
"WAR HERO"? I'm dismayed that Clinton supporters and the rightwing noise machine have joined forces to knockout the frontrunner, when she has no chance in the general. Obama still polls better against McCain than she does.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:44 PM
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44. Hey, seeker
We're a fuck of alot tougher than you are. You won't win.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:46 PM
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46. I notice you left out this part:
"Even so, the NEWSWEEK poll indicates that despite the political damage inflicted over recent weeks, Obama still edges out McCain in a trial head-to-head heat for the White House, 47 to 44 percent. That margin was only one point wider a week ago. Clinton—whose own favorability rating has not improved even as Obama's has slipped—also holds a three point lead with 48 percent of the vote to the Arizona senator's 45. Among all registered voters, more than half (53 percent) still hold a favorable opinion of Obama, compared to the 47 percent who view Clinton favorably and 51 percent who have favorable views of McCain."

Once again, whenever an HRC supporter describes Obama's campaign as tanking, what they mean is that his numbers are almost as bad as Hillary's.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:23 PM
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48. Obama is going to be the nominee. You're wasting your time.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:25 PM
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50. Hillary is a great leader.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:29 PM
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51. She's a liar and can't try and win an election on MERIT instead of smears. Disgraceful! n/t
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:36 PM
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53. We will have to agree to disagree.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:59 PM
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56. Hillary has nothing to do with glass jaw Obama tanking. Obama is tanking because of his record
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:13 PM
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67. O surely it must be somebody's fault
there has to be an excuse.
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:31 PM
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52. Yes, she is.


:hi:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:56 PM
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54. This is what happens to all "new" candidates once people get to know their warts
The notion that Obama would be immune to political gravity was another fairy tale many people believe in. No, this is change you can believe in: new candidates who enter the scene with a positive public image have only one way to go as far as favorables/unfavorables go.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:09 PM
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60. Newsweek publishes something that is not cheerful of Obama?
Stop the presses. This must be a fraud. Newsweek - a.k.a. Obama Weekly - has been printing only adulations about Obama and trashing Clinton.

:puke:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:28 PM
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61. This is a LIE. The 19 point poll was an outlier than Newsweek promoted to get
people to look at their magazine because it had articles that were good for GE's nuclear energy business--articles about how nukes are green.

The 19 point lead was fake, phony a lie that never should have been printed.

Obama's current seven point lead is actually up from what it was a few days ago.

Do not be fooled by the propagandists at the GE empire.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:46 PM
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63. It's funny how you don't include the actual numbers in your post
That's probably because you don't want to admit that Obama is still beating the crap out of Hillary.

Do you ever get sick of having to be so deceitful just to continue supporting Lil' Hilly?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:51 AM
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64. Chortle! Yeah, Obama's dropping like a brick ...
... dropping like a brick right on top of Hillary's head.

Obama's polling still has him far ahead of Clinton, what with her net negative unfavorables, and it's *Obama* that is in trouble? What a hoot! Thanks for the final big laugh of the night..!
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:58 AM
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66. wow. HRC dropped BO's outlier lead of 20 to a more accurate 7.
sucks to be winning.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:23 PM
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69. And yet Obama is *still* the presumptive nominee. Fancy that. n/t
n/t
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