Why are more people not wanting Biden as Obama's VP?

[KansasVoter]

Seems like Biden not mentioned much.

Wouldn't he totally counter any McCain advantage and help with the miltary experience?

[ErinBerin84]

1. I would love that

but I don't think that Biden would go for it.

[Honeycombe8]

81. Biden should be Sec. of State. He has best foreign policy knowledge/expertise.

It'd be a waste to stick him in the VP office.

[burythehatchet]

2. you gotta try and pick up a state, and Delaware may not be the jewel in the crown

no offense to Delawarians

[BigAnth]

4. Hey, Whaddaya Mean!!!!????

We've got three electoral votes in Delaware!

Thats right, THREE!!!!

[burythehatchet]

6. all three?

[gateley]

42. ....

:thumbsup:

[Muttocracy]

14. The home state stuff hasn't applied for decades

And think about successful tickets of late - Clinton/Gore from neighboring states; Bush/Cheney from guaranteed GOP states.

I've lived in 4 states in my lifetime, and I expect most of us have lived many places. Why would I vote for president based on where the Vice President is from? If McCain picked someone from one of the states where I've lived, I wouldn't switch my vote to him.

[woolldog]

It has to be Nunn or Webb.

A conservative, southern dem, with military/foreign policy creds from a red state that can be flipped in November with his help.

[nomorenomore08]

15. That's what I've been saying. One of those two, or maybe Wes Clark.

An experienced, military-vet Dem would neutralize McCain.

[elocs]

37. I think Clark has burned too many bridges by his outspoken support of Clinton. n/t

[gateley]

45. I have some concerns about Clark

after seeing him on TV saying that the women in Iraq and the Middle East LIKE being covered. It was really odd.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

85. People on here are living in LALA land if they think Obama wins without a VP who supported Clinton

Clark or Bayh.


Period.


End of Story.


Mark my words.

[msongs]

16. yeah let's put a homophobe to the ticket to get the mcclurkin vote nt

[jobycom]

18. Nunn would make McCain look like the liberal choice.

Webb I could handle, sort of, though then we'd have two Reagan fans on the same ticket. Why bother?

[woolldog]

26. there's a perception among moderates who would otherwise vote

for Obama that he may be too liberal. I think a conservative democrat as VP would help attract moderate voters.

[jobycom]

32. Obama's gone from a liberal to a conservative and back to a liberal already.

I'm sure he'll switch back to conservative just nicely without adding a homophobe to the ticket.

[lastliberalintexas]

52. Please god no

I'll vote for Obama even though I'm not a supporter, but that vow might be broken if Nunn is anywhere near the Dem ticket.

You people talk about the backstabbing and political manipulations of the Clintons and then you want Sam freaking Nunn on ANY Dem ticket?

[Eurobabe]

69. VA won't let us have Webb, they've made it clear.

:rofl:

[ccharles000]

70. If Obama picks Nunn I will refuse to vote for him.

Nunn is a homophobic piece of crap.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

3. Might cost us a Dem seat in the Senate.

[4themind]

94. If it weren't delaware I'd be more worried about that.

IF presidential/congressional representation is any measure. Although the credit card companies there may finally see an opening to finance a candidate for their liking

[globalvillage]

5. I think he'd be a really good pick.

He'd help with foreign policy, as chairman of the SFRC.

[WheelWalker]

7. Who said people aren't interested in Biden as VP? We in the JBSG have tossed

this one around quite a bit. The big question is, would Joe be interested? Or, would he feel he can do more from the Senate?

[Muttocracy]

22. Depends on the president and the size of the majority.

With either a Dem. president or a larger Senate majority, Biden could get more done in the Senate. Whip through a backlog of treaties to pass and to restore.

Wasn't part of why he ran this time that he couldn't do much in the Senate under the current situation (not enough Dems to override Bush's veto).

I wonder what he wants - for someone so outspoken he is keeping his cards glued to his chest at the moment.

[Tashca]

27. Excellent point

You make an excellent point..

With a Democrat President and Senate majority he could accomplish so much on foreign affairs.

No wonder he keeps his cards close....either candidate would work and why alienate either one.

Besides....most people don't vote for VP...

[JerseygirlCT]

8. Biden doesn't want Biden as VP. He's said so, many times

He feels (and I agree) that he can do far more good in the senate. VP is a place-holder. We need him in the senate!

[Muttocracy]

55. but at questions at his CFR speech after his Pakistan etc. trip

He said he's do VP if the nominee asked him to and there was some convincing argument to have him on the ticket. But he also said he REALLY didn't want to. As I said above, he's not giving clear clues.

[JerseygirlCT]

73. Well, they don't come much smarter than he is

but I still think he'd do us more good in a powerful senate position.

I don't, of course, have any *objection* whatsoever to him on the ticket - I think he's great. But unless we're sure we're picking up a good number of senate seats this go-round, I don't think we can afford a senator.

[elfin]

9. Because his mouth is a loose cannon

despite his encyclopedic knowledge and on target insights.

Our nominee (hope it is Obama) needs a steadier countenance ala Nunn or Dodd. I pick Dodd for experience and someone to be a strong and reasoned fighter for the top of the ticket.

Biden can be a bit too emotional for that job -- but can be very effective in other ways as another spokesperson and go to guy in the Senate.

[WheelWalker]

12. I disagree that it's a "loose" cannon. I think it is, though, very well aimed and has a

large, rifled bore.

[goclark]

13. Then I like Obama/Boxer

She is from a large state.

Experienced and classy.

And it would be good to have a woman that is a real Democrat on the ticket.

[Muttocracy]

17. I think the GOP would really go after her as a nutty treehugger from scary San Francisco!!!!111

I like her but I can't see it. She can be Dodd's whip when he's majority leader!

[goclark]

66. The GOP would paint anyone with their evil brush

I can't then of anyone they wouldn't ROVE UP!

They are evil doers and they have no conscience.

[Muttocracy]

72. well, that's true. For some reason I just figure they'd be extra-mean to her. nt

[gateley]

21. I was hoping Boxer for Biden when he was in the race.

But I've been thinking that neither Obama nor Hillary would probably pick a woman or a minority (I was thinking Richardson) -- TWO glass ceilings to break on one ticket. Don't think the Party would try that.

[goclark]

65. If the party picks the "Dream Ticket" that would be foolish as well

The "Dream Ticket" would be a nightmare.

[JanusAscending]

71. Has a Congress "critter" ever been on a ticket for VP?

I really can't recall. If there has ever been a precedence set, may I suggest U.S. Rep. Rosa DeLauro ? She is from Ct., a real fighting straight shooter, and an AVID Obama fan! She's been great for Ct. all these many years. I would like to see a woman on the ticket, who's name isn't Clinton !!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

24. Yep. His tongue has got an ego of its own.

[Thickasabrick]

10. I like him but hate that he is so cozy with the credit card companies

[autorank]

11. Biden is very smart, eratic, and funny

He would not be a potted plant. I like it when he gets upset and kirks out. He's usually
right when he does this. I think it's a fascinating idea in terms of the campaign. I think
he's a bit too moderate and tied to the bankrupt banking industry But Obama will be free to go left
when Hillary runs as McCain's VP;)

[jobycom]

19. Heh. Let the plagerism jokes begin!

[cliffordu]

20. I do. Joe don't play that appeasement game as much as most.

[hogwyld]

23. I really would like Joe as a VP

As he would be a straight shooter, and there are none smarter on foreign affairs. However, I don't think Biden wants the VP slot.

[gateley]

25. I think he'd be an excellent VP -

But I feel he can do more where he is now. If he were part of the administration, he wouldn't be able to publicly call people on their crap as he did recently during the SFRC Iraq hearings.

That's why I'd prefer he stays where he is -- doesn't have to be the spokesperson for the administration.

I'd sure love to see him debate McCain's VP nom, though :evilgrin:

[Gore1FL]

28. I like Biden

But I don't think Obama needs a Senator to round out the ticket.

[femmocrat]

29. He could, but....

he is another Senator, and from a very small state.

Lawrence O'Donnell predicted Wes Clark on Hardball tonight. Yes, for Obama. His reasoning was that Clark has needed military and diplomatic experience and would help bring in the Hillary supporters.

It's all speculation at this point anyhow.

[mmonk]

30. Biden would be fine. He was one of the ones on my short list

for president.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

31. "Wouldn't he totally counter any McCain advantage and help with the miltary experience?"

That's the problem, he wouldn't.

[reflection]

33. i've wondered that myself

Biden is a sharp cookie and a grownup among children. I would love to see him prop up an O ticket. I started a thread entitled Obama/Biden a few weeks ago, but the response was tepid. Perhaps he is too windy for most. He does seem like to hear himself talk.

[peoli]

34. Hes always been my favorite choice

[Bensthename]

35. DU-P polling here, he is always a top VP pick by many..

Me being one of them. He is a hip cat yo.

[bigwillq]

36. Biden better stay in the Senate.

That's where he can do the most good.

[dansolo]

38. He voted for the freaking war

Anyone who cast a vote for the war is probably disqualified as VP. It would seriously detract from Obama's anti-Iraq war platform.

[elocs]

40. That's a good point.

I've always thought that the Democrats needed a nominee who did not support, or vote to support the war. Having somebody on the Obama ticket who did vote to support the war would strongly conflict with his statements against it.

[goclark]

67. Oops, I forgot that ~ good point

[Think82]

89. If you think Biden is a hawk I'd watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UA

Biden voted for the RESOLUTION so that the us would have more leverage before the UN. Then bush invaded after they let the inspectors in after the resolution passed.

He has been trying to end the war responsibly more than anyone esle since. His non-binding political solution for iraq got passed in the senate, which is more than I can say for any other dem.

[rurallib]

39. I'd rather see Biden take over for Harry Reid

That is where his talents could be best used.

[gateley]

44. Biden is my guy -

100%, but I think Dodd has earned Reid's position with his filibuster for FISA.

[JerseygirlCT]

75. Yup, I agree.

In any case, Harry's got to go!

[JerseygirlCT]

74. Actually, I like Chris Dodd for that

He's a bit more um, diplomatic, than Joe Biden, but with many similar positive traits.

[TwilightGardener]

41. He's one of my top choices. But no military experience.

[InfiniteNether]

43. Don't speculate on VPs. None will be known until after Denver. That includes

McCain's VP. He won't announce it until after a Democratic nominee is known. That way he knows who to pick to counter any of the Democratic candidate's strengths.

[whirlygigspin]

47. smart choice

the VP presides over the Senate--that would be a great position for Biden to be in to actually get passed all the 'special interests'.

Obama's gonna somebody to pave that road, and Biden's got that experience, he's no pushover, plus, he's not beholden to any special interest, save those of his own state.

maybe they can work a deal, who knows.

[WheelWalker]

53. Excellent point, and I agree. Obama's going to need a VP who can

glide programs through the Senate. Someone who knows the process and has the connections. No one better than Biden.

[Muttocracy]

58. that's an interesting point - hard to remember since Cheney doesn't show up there much! nt

[gateley]

77. Well now you've got me thinking --

I honestly didn't know that the VP presides over the Senate. He has such a good working relationship with most of those people. Hmmmm.

[tokenlib]

46. Biden supported the evil bankruptcy reform bill....

...the same one Hillary voted for and was relieved when it didn't pass..

[JI7]

48. i would like Biden but i think Richardson would be better

[gateley]

51. Don't think that either

Obama or Clinton would choose a woman or another minority -- TWO glass ceilings to break on one ticket.

I think Webb would be great if they feel military experience is key.

[Think82]

88. Richardson is the worst debater ever.

Sorry, but it's true.

[Warren DeMontague]

49. Ego, neo-con tendencies, propensity to put foot in mouth, IWR vote, his idiotic RAVE act...

That's what I've got off the top of my head.

:shrug:

[Inuca]

76. NEO-CON tendencies?!?!

Biden? Most definitely NOT.

[Warren DeMontague]

84. He's a little too hawkish for my tastes, frankly.

And, there's that IWR thing.

Sorry, he's not everyone's hero. For my money, I'd much prefer Chris Dodd.

[AspenRose]

50. Because he said he didn't want it.

:shrug: I take the man at his word.

[AnnieBW]

54. Well, one of them is Biden

He's come out and stated that he doesn't want to be VP or SecState. He believes that he can do more for the country as Senate Foreign Relations chairman in a Dem Senate with a Dem President.

[newmajority]

56. Two senators on a ticket is suicide.

However, I would consider Biden an excellent candidate for Secretary of State.

[RBInMaine]

57. He'd be damn good, but has said he is not at all interested.

[jillan]

59. Because I wanted Biden for President, not VP.

:cry:

[kster]

60. Just a thinking outloud

http://webb.senate.gov/

[tammywammy]

61. Biden would be a great VP

But I don't think that he'll take it. He can do much good where he is now. :)

[hollowdweller]

62. Biden is in too tight with the Credit Card Companies and Banks

If it wasn't for that he'd be perfect.

[superkia]

63. Probably because he spewed the same kind of propaganda for...

war against Saddam and Iraq just like bush and Clinton did. I think he kept it up for a few years before he back peddled like Clinton.

At least, that is what I don't like about him. Anyone that ignored the likes of Dennis Kucinich, that went to the floor and screamed that the evidence was outdated and the reason for the war was for oil, should not be trusted...period! All of those who did so, did it because they all had the same agenda and that agenda had nothing to do with 9/11 or our safety and lots to do with oil.

I love it when I see some of them like Clinton say " if I knew then what I know now" and the sheeple eat that shit up! She knew then what she knows now but had to support the elites agenda for a war for oil and global positioning. Those people support the elite and THEIR future, not OURS!

[Carolina]

64. NO, Biden is damaged goods

big ego
big bloviator (loves himself on Meet the Press)
IWR aye voter
all talk

Biden is part of the old Washington system and is beholden to credit card companies in Delaware.
Look at the miniscule level of support he got in the primaries? He would bring Obama DOWN.

[MadBadger]

78. BOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Think82]

90. just jealous cause he's smarter than you : )

[Carolina]

91. why the personal attack

the post has nothing to do with his or my respective intelligence. It is a response about whether he'd be a good running mate. My opinion is no and if YOU think and read, others are not only of like mind but have offered the same reasons!

Spare me your crap.

[Breeze54]

68. Joe Biden's Bankrupt Vote

http://www.pacificviews.org/weblog/archives/000966.html

[whistler162]

79. One problem I see...

is that President Obama wouldn't be able to get a word in edgewise.;}

[Muttocracy]

82. Go back and watch Biden in the debates.

He was clear and to the point and didn't eat up all the time - on the rare occasions he was given time.

[CaptJasHook]

80. Funny I have been thinking about that all week.

Biden would counter a lot of arguments. But beside that, he is an excellent Democrat. A good man and a fighter.

[LWolf]

83. I don't want anyone as Obama's VP.

I don't want Obama. Period.

[billyoc]

86. Anybody but Hillarouche. nt

[Aloha Spirit]

87. He's a Senator. Two Senators on the ticket makes me nervous.

[foo_bar]

92. he probably blew it at "that's a storybook, man!"

[BeyondGeography]

93. Webb is the only active Senator he should consider

in no small part because he hasn't been in the Senate that long. Governors should figure higher on his list; Richardson, Schweitzer, Sebelius, Rendell, Strickland...

[BlooInBloo]

95. He delivers nothing that we didnt already have. Best would be someone from a western state....

... Or Clark, for the military thing.