Fellow Clinton Supporters: Time for the knock out blow in NC!

[kennetha]

Dear Fellow Hillary Supporters:

It's time to pour cash into Hillary's coffers. If we can take him down in Indiana and North Carolina, this thing is essentially over! Hillary is the nominee. The campaign won't trumpet this fact. They want the Obama forces to keep crowing about how they are going to win North Carolina.

But look at the latest poll from Survey USA from North Carolina. It contains a hidden mesage. 5% have already voted. Obama supposedly leads among these early voters by 12pts. 47 - 35% with 2% going for other. That leaves 15% "undecided." But unless NC has a funny electoral system, undecided isn't on the ballot.

What does that mean, you ask? And why is it good news for Hilary?

My guess is that it means that HIllary's support is probably under-reported. She may even lead among those who have already voted 50-47. It may even mean that Obama support among likely voters is overstated and that HIllary's is understated.

Even with that Survey USA has Obama ahead by only 9 pts with a relatively large sampling error of 3.7%. That means Obama's 9 pt lead could be as large as almost 17% or as small as 1%. (17 and 1% are both extreme, but they are equiprobable.)

But the dirty little secret is that a narrow victory is not absolutely out of the question for Hillary.

Let's pour on the dough and see what happens. Since Obama has HUGE expectations, a loss wouldn't be devestating for us (as long as we win Indiana.) But if we pull out even a narrow win, Obama is absolute TOAST. The superdelegates will abandon him and the nomination will be Hillary's.

The media is too stupid and in the tank to even consider the possibility. Obama's supporters are too drunk on their kool-aid to see it too.

So let's go, team. Pour on the cash -- I just gave another 200, to take my total over 1K. Let's steal this state and shut Obama down.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Mark Penn needs more donuts and deserves that $100,000 dollar/day salary. Keep donating to Hillary!

[MonkeyFunk]

9. Why is the truth anathema to so many of you

Obama supporters?

Mark Penn's salary is not 100,000 per day. That's a ridiculous lie that is told here repeatedly.

[JackORoses]

24. not since his 'demotion' anyway...

[MonkeyFunk]

84. No, that was never his salary

and you guys know it, and you keep lying about it.

[TTUBatfan2008]

34. Why is the truth so hard to grasp...

for the OP in this thread? She needs a ridiculous amount of the superdelegates compared to him in order to win, but the OP completely ignores this.

[MonkeyFunk]

85. It's not a "ridiculous amount"

it's just more than Obama needs. But until he has 2025 delegates, the race isn't over. Why can't you guys grasp that?

[Abacus]

104. Actually, it looks like $125,000 per day

at least in January

Before criticizing other peoples' facts, you may wish to get some of your own.

Feb 21, 2008 03:11 PM EST
Hillary Rodham Clinton started the year flush with cash, but by the beginning of this month, she'd blazed through most of it — spending $11 million on ads, $3.8 million on messaging guru Mark Penn and $1,300 at Dunkin' Donuts, to name just a few expenditures — leaving her campaign woefully unprepared for an extended battle for the Democratic presidential nomination.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8619.html

Actually, for Penn, who resigned Sunday night, Clinton's campaign for the White House has been about as effective an economic stimulus program for himself as anything his clients have ever proposed for the nation. Clinton paid Penn a total of $8.9 million for direct mail, according to CQ MoneyLine. She paid Penn for polling, at $2.8 million. She even paid Penn $160,000 for consulting about polling, which presumably involved his telling her what an excellent pollster she'd hired. By Feb. 29, she also owed Penn's firm another $2.5 million for "consulting/polling," federal records show. March expenditures won't be revealed for another few weeks -- but through February, Clinton spent nearly 9 percent of the $138 million she's burned through in the race on Penn's firm alone.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/04/08/penn_fees/

[MonkeyFunk]

120. That's not his salary

but I've come to expect that you guys will lie at every opportunity. I just enjoy pointing it out.

[papau]

25. If Hillary is within 16 points of Obama (58-42) it's a victory given the size of the black vote

[tekisui]

38. Yeah, because black voters are different than white voters.

If she wins the white vote, that counts as a victory, huh? Because they are the ones that matter.

[jackson_dem]

40. She got 63% of the white vote in PA, Obama got 92% of the black vote

If the same thing happens in NC Obama would win 55-45. However, Clinton doesn't get 60+% of the white vote in most states, although since the MSM began vetting Obama a bit she has done it in OH, RI, MS, and PA, so we can't rely on expecting her to get 63%. Obama can rely on 80-91% black support because he has gotten that level in every state that has voted thus far. If Clinton can break the 40's it will be a decent NC result coupled with winning IN.

[Seabiscuit]

63. Does that mean blacks are more racist by a 92%/63% margin? Is that coming next?

Actually, Hillary won the white male working class vote 70%-30%. That's the traditional dem base, so I don't see how Obama can win the GE without it.

[kevinbgoode]

91. I thought Hillary was popular among blacks. . .

Ohhh...she blew that back in South Carolina. Now she thinks if she takes the nomination by manipulation, they'll rush to vote for her? Certainly after she declared the blue collar white voter, and the neo-con right wingers were her "base." And we all know she'll lose the neo-cons right after the nomination, since this was an intentional game for them. That leaves her with a rather small base, no independent support, and a lot of angry Democrats and independents.

[Seabiscuit]

117. She *is* popular among blacks. But the Obama campaign is hitting blacks with a huge guilt trip

and tons of negative pressure, trying to shame them into voting for Obama simply because of race. Any black person (including Maxine Waters, etc.) is vilified by them if he or she supports the non-black candidate. That's about as racist as it can get, and it stinks.

Want to know what's really going on between Obama's ears? All you have to do is watch those Jeremiah Wright video clips. Beyond that, he's just a mentally lazy hollow suit.

[kevinbgoode]

126. I see...it is impossible that they might think he is a better candidate

with far less baggage.

[Seabiscuit]

127. Oh, anything's "possible" - but that's not what the evidence shows.

[Kool Kitty]

128. No, no. It's kinda like the guilt trip they lay on you if you are

a woman and you don't support Hillary.

[gal]

140. Show me a link.

I havn't seen this at all. What I have seen is pressure put on women to support Hillary Clinton.

[Seabiscuit]

150. What pile of sand has your head been buried under?

There seem to have been countless articles on the 'net about the pressure put on blacks to support Obama.

OTOH, I've seen absolutely none regarding any similar pressure put on women to support Hillary.

[IsItJustMe]

143. And how could Hillary win in the GE without the African American vote?

[GarbagemanLB]

41. So can we call Obama being under 10 in PA a victory because of the senior vote?

[GoesTo11]

77. If Hillary ends up with 150 less total delegates, it's a victory given the size of the black vote

[onenote]

92. If Hillary comes in second at the convention, and Obama has a majority

Is it still a victory for Hillary because Obama relied on AA voters?

Just trying to sort out the logic here, if you can call it that.

[GoesTo11]

100. That is the logic

But I was responding to the silly post about 58-42 NC being a victory for her. AA voters are American voters, and of course winning with AA votes is winning, whether nationally or in NC.

[kevinbgoode]

131. Yes. . .and we didn't count the people who didn't vote

who would have voted for Hillary if they had decided to vote. . .:-)

[my3boyz]

130. Why can't Hillary win the black vote? She could never win the GE without being able to carry the

black vote. Sound familiar? Just insert a different race. Oh what am I thinking? She doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of making it to the GE so it doesn't matter afterall.....

[Terran]

46. Best of luck overcoming his 10% lead

What I wanna know is, how is "this thing over" if HRC wins both NC and Indiana? She still won't have more delegates than Obama, not nearly.

[golddigger]

88. And when you donate to Obama 15% goes to Wright's church. So what's your problem?

[kevinbgoode]

132. Do you have something against the United Church of Christ?

[IsItJustMe]

144. I would have no problem with that at all. I don't buy into all of the msm spin. Screw that.

[ZinZen]

146. Keep throwing your money away

on a losing candidate. Go ahead and keep paying off her debts. I am sure she would do the same for you.

[democrattotheend]

2. I'm not taking North Carolina for granted

I'll probably be headed down there this weekend to campaign for Obama, if I can get my roommate situation squared away before then. You make some good points, although SurveyUSA has tended (with the exception of PA) to accurately predict Clinton's support or overstate it. Zogby and PPP seem to overestimate Obama.

[Avalux]

3. Hi kennetha. Nice post you got there.

:rofl:

[bookman]

157. Yea

I want what he's smoking!

[angie_love]

4. Not gonna happen bud. LOL

[Avalon6]

5. I don't think you realize how hard it is to pull an upset

No state we have had so far was really surprising in terms of who won. I know the polls in New Hampshire had Obama winning but those numbers were soft because they came right after Iowa. All the other states were easily predicted in terms of who would win.

[kennetha]

10. Here's what we've got going for us this time, though

Obviously something funny is up with Obama. 15% of those who have already voted claim to be "undecided." I suspect that those are Hillary voters who don't want to make it known that they voted against Obama. I suspect that Obama's support is overstated.

And I suspect that among all but AA's and very upscale whites his vote has gone soft. That's why he couldn't make up much ground on Hillary despite outspending her in PA.

I know it will be hard. But if it happens, you've got to admit that Obama is toast.

[Shae]

43. You have all these suspiscions

but they aren't based in reality.
Could it be your suspicions are just wishful thinking?

And like I said downthread -- she could win every remaining state plus Guam 60-40, win Puerto Rico 70-30, have MI and FL seated in her favor 55-45,

AND OBAMA IS STILL AHEAD IN THE DELEGATE COUNT.

[mamalone]

82. But he did make up ground in PA...

:eyes: He didn't *win* PA, but remember, he was down 20-25 pts just a short time ago and she won by only 9pts! He gained 15pts in only a week or two which is incredible, especially when you remember that PA is tailor made for Hillary. Looking back over the PA race, I think that Obama's primary goal wasn't to win the state, but rather to force Hillary to overspend and overreach just to eke out a win in a state that should have been hers without even breaking a sweat. Sure he would have loved to win PA, but winning each battle isn't a necessity in a war... sometimes the battle that's "lost" is actually a strategic pivot in winning the war.

All I'm sayin' is don't get your hopes up:)

[skooooo]

6. Hillary should be getting ready for Obama's knockout blow...

....cause it's coming.

[ScarletSniper]

31. uh huh

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Reuters_Photo/2008/04/09/1207757022_5499/

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

7. Clinton supporter here saying WTF?

:wtf:

Is that supposed to be inspirational? :shrug:

on edit, not that I don't like spirited support of a candidate, but, for some reason the language doesn't resonate.

[high density]

8. Knocking yourself out?

There are easier ways to end this... She could just quit, you know.

If you're talking about knocking out Obama, it's just mathematically not going to happen.

[bowens43]

11. ROFLMA!!!!!

[kennetha]

16. Keep Laughing

If Clinton squeaks out a win in North Carolina, what will you do then? Cry?

[onenote]

69. keep posting things like this and it will be hard not to keep laughing

[Gore1FL]

98. Point out that 115 more delegates are off the table

And her chances have narrowed again despite a victory.

That is what I'd do. Anybody else?

[IsItJustMe]

148. They are coming to take you away, ah hah, they are coming to take you away.

Don't fear those guys in the white suits, they are your friend.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

115. Obama outraising Clinton 3-1 in North Carolina, so make those checks at least 2,000 apeace

so you can catch up.

This is an Obama state.

[Name removed]

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[ima_sinnic]

60. Clinton as VP? I DON"T THINK SO

--I will NEVER vote for her in ANY office.

I will write to Senator Bayh and tell him the idea of traitor Clinton having any further role at all in the Democratic Party is party suicide. Let her be McCain's VP, she is thoroughly enamored of everything about the republicans: their foreign policy, their smearing campaign tactics, their lies, their corporate plunder, their disdain for democracy.

[IsItJustMe]

149. I feel the same way. If Obama chose her, he would be driving the death nail in his chances to

win.

[Raffi Ella]

61. Quit spamming our fuckin threads

[ShortnFiery]

13. Please! Step away from the bong ... you've had too much wacky-tabaccy

:evilgrin:

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. 43 North Carolina Mayors endorse OBAMA today

In a sign of Senator Obama’s broad, statewide organization, the Obama campaign today announced the endorsement of 43 North Carolina mayors, mayors pro tem, and former mayors, representing cities large and small, from Raleigh to Roper. To encourage North Carolinians to vote early, more than a dozen of these mayors will be voting early today at 1 p.m. at their local One Stop Early Voting locations.

"As a mayor, I’m on the front lines of local economic development," said Mayor Bill Bell of Durham. "We need a president who will work with us to solve the problems we face, help working Americans succeed, and usher in a new era of prosperity."

“I’m honored to have the support of so many mayors from across North Carolina who are committed to working hard to change America,” said Senator Obama. “These mayors understand what leadership is, and how important it is to bring people of diverse backgrounds together to make change happen for our working families and our communities. Their support is incredibly important to this campaign – and I look forward to working with them to build a stronger economy where Main Street thrives, not just Wall Street.”

FULL LIST OF MAYORS ENDORSING SENATOR OBAMA

Terry Bellamy, Mayor, Asheville
Leni Sinick, Former Mayor, Asheville
Linda Blackburn, Mayor, Ahoskie
Frank Wilson, Mayor, Bolton
Loretta Clawson, Mayor, Boone
Kevin Foy, Mayor, Chapel Hill
Mark Chilton, Mayor, Carrboro
Harold Weinbrecht, Mayor, Cary
Harvey Gantt, Former Mayor, Charlotte
Linda Ingram, Mayor, Conetoe
Darryl Moss, Mayor, Creedmoor
Malcolm Johnson, Mayor, Dover
N. Carnell Robinson, Mayor Pro Tem, Dunn
William Bell, Mayor, Durham
Cora McFadden, Mayor Pro Tem, Durham
Perry Blanks, Mayor, East Arcadia
Warnie Bishop, Mayor, Enfield
Roy Bell, Mayor, Garysburg
Yvonne Johnson, Mayor, Greensboro
Keith Holiday, Former Mayor, Greensboro
Mildred Council, Mayor Pro Tem, Greenville
Horace Reid, Mayor Pro Tem, Hertford
Matthew Block, Mayor, Laurinburg
Phil Bazemore, Mayor Pro Tem, Monroe
Eulis Willis, Mayor, Navassa
Lewis Brown, Former Mayor, Navassa
Jerry Merrick, Mayor Pro Tem, Navassa
James Knox, Mayor, Northwest
Randolph Voller, Mayor, Pittsboro
Charles Meeker, Mayor, Raleigh
James West, former Mayor Pro Tem, Raleigh
Estelle Sanders, Mayor, Roper
Perry Dixon, Mayor, Sandyfield
James Mill Sr., Mayor, Scotland Neck
Melvin Broadnax, Mayor, Seabord
Howard Morgan, Mayor, Sedalia
Wilbert Harrison, Mayor, Speed
Ethel Clark, Mayor, Spring Lake
Donald Davis, Mayor, Snow Hill
Betty Gholston, Mayor, Wagram
George Draper Jr., Mayor, Weldon
Robert Spivey, Mayor, Windsor
Vivian Burke, Mayor Pro Tem, Winston-Salem
Carl Lee Sr., Mayor, Lewiston Woodvill

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/zachedwards/gGCBRX

[kennetha]

15. Keep believing

that Clinton doesn't have a chance in North Carolina. That's what we want you to believe.

[MattNC]

54. she doesn't have...

the political machine behind her here that she's needed in other states. she has no major endorsement of any kind (unless you want to count maya angelou and hugh shelton i suppose.). let's not even start with her demographic problem here. still...Obama's camp isn't taking NC for granted.

[Progressive_In_NC]

17. A LOT of campaign contributions to local races went out today....

That's how things get done here in NC...

[Labors of Hercules]

19. woohooHOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

:woohoo:

[Raffi Ella]

62. Quit spamming our threads

[EnviroBat]

154. WAAAAAAAAH STAY OFF OF OUR THREADS!

Jeeze, grow up.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

113. Plus Edwards Campaign General Manager in the trenches for Obama

and that is one powerful dude, Ed Turlington. His connections run
wide and deep.

[IsItJustMe]

151. WOW!!! Very impressive.

[SeaLyons]

18. Hillaryclinton.com

I've donated today. IN, NC - belong to Hillary.

Obama is TOAST!!

[FSogol]

20. Spin, spin, spin!

Someone drank the kool-aide

[formercia]

53. I bet Maytag would be interested

With a spin like that, you could dry clothes.

[terrell9584]

21. My theory is that most undecideds are Clinton voters

Essentially that undecided is a shield that Clinton voters are using to not appear racist, or even wierder yet, to throw off all the pollsters into building it up as heavy Obama country.

Also, the one area where Edwards has a real base is also the area that Obama would have to do well in, and well, Edwards is better off with Clinton doing well than Obama doing well, because Edwards, if the convention goes to a second ballot, would stand a real shot of being a compromise nominee. It's why I think he has stayed out of it. The question is, Edwards has people, he does, and what will he be directing them to do during the primary

[cali]

35. Edwards has exactly no chance of being the nominee

the SDs will never nominate a one term Senator who has failed in two tries to win the nomination. And polls show he hasn't much influence in his own state. He got crushed in his native state.

[Spider Jerusalem]

22. Clinton is as likely to win North Carolina as she is to be crowned Queen of the United Kingdom.

And she's as likely to get the Democratic nomination as she is to do either.

[Leopolds Ghost]

121. In Place Of A Dark Candidate You Would Have A QUEEN... QUEEN of North Carolina!!!

Not dark, but BEAUTIFUL and terrible as the dawn!
Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than...

[onenote]

23. in a battle between facts and wishful thinking, facts will win. (and HRC will lose NC)

A narrow victory is almost certainly out of the question for HRC in NC. African American voters make up around 40 percent of registered Democrats (and its a closed primary). There has been an influx of new registrations, and that percentage may well be even higher.

There also is a sizable college population in NC: Duke, UNC, NC State, etc etc.

All in all, the demographics strongly favor Obama.

Those are facts.

[Independent-Voter]

134. Not entirely closed - unaffiliated voters can vote in the party primaries

but otherwise, everything else was spot on. Hillary is going to get her ass handed to her down her. We've already had 3 Obama workers knock on our door in the past week, and there's no Vaginas for President! signs anywhere.

She'll take some of the old, low-educated, white women voters, but that ain't enough to win in NC. I think he'll win by at least 12%.

[KansasVoter]

26. How is it over if she wins those two states?

[Shae]

39. It isn't .

Playing with the Slate delegate counter at

http://www.slate.com/id/2185278

I plugged in the following numbers:

Senator Clinton wins 55-45 in Pennsylvania.
(even assuming she would gain 16 delegates from that win which she won't).

I give her the very unlikely scenario of winning 60-40 in EVERY remaining state plus Guam.

I give her a 70-30 win in Puerto Rico.

I seat both Florida and Michigan in her favor 55-45.

And she STILL LOSES the delegate count.

[2rth2pwr]

58. Math isn't going to decide this, if Hillary ends strong and Obama continues to

lose, the SD's will do what's best for the country.

[haymakeragain]

75. You mean what is best for Hillary and Bill, but most certainly

not what is best for the country. But they won't do that. she needs to win it fair and square and it don't look like she can do it. good luck to you and she.

[Shae]

83. hold on to your dreams nt

[2rth2pwr]

97. I believe in Hope.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

116. If my grandmother had wheels then she'd be a go-cart

thats how likely Hillary is to win NC.

We are a progressive state, democratic registration has been increasing for years,
we have affordable eduation and we still have lots of people moving into our state.

We're progressive. Our most progressive lawmakers have endorsed Obama this week.

[2rth2pwr]

125. What is it about Obama and his supporters that they have to trash their Grannies?

[FlyingSquirrel]

27. Where's that "negative rec" button?

[adoraz]

28. LOL! You think she will win here in NC??

are you kidding me?

[ScarletSniper]

29. In North Carolina? Don't even count on it. Indiana? Don't count on that either. She's finished

but please give more money..

[Shae]

30. It's time for you to come out of the rabbit hole. nt

[cali]

32. lol. Okee dokey, Baghdad Bob

:rofl:

[dionysus]

33. can ah get a hit of that weed?

:rofl:

are you really typing that with a straight face?

[Jersey Devil]

36. OK, take 60% of the vote for Hill in both NC and Ind - where does that leave you?

In fact, take 60% in ALL the remaining primaries. Who is ahead in pledged delegates?

[YOY]

37. Is she accepting cats?

From what I've seen the crazy cat lady vote is in her corner!




(No offense intended to one particular DUer who is hardly crazy!)

[Dr. Death]

42. "Obama's supporters are too drunk on their kool-aid to see it too"

Well, I haven't had any kool-aid for quite a while.

But I am sitting here in North Carolina.

And if you think that HRC is going to win here, you're nuts.

[zabet]

44. I am in NC too and I think you might be surprised...

it will be a lot closer than you think.

[MattNC]

55. why is that? n/t

[zabet]

86. "Hide and watch."

Everyone seems to have forgotten the explosion of the Hispanic population in NC since the last census.

[MattNC]

107. It is up

that's for sure, but not nearly to the extent that it'll swing the election for Hillary like it did in California or Texas. As I've discussed elsewhere, she just doesn't have the political machine in place that she's had elsewhere to maximize voting from her core constituencies (which are also much smaller here than say Penn.).

[Independent-Voter]

136. Many of those hispanics are either illegial, or registered republicans

NC has had a huge influx of Mexicans coming up, largely illegal, but I don't think it's going to matter much in the whole grand scheme of things. We've also had a huge influx of educated folks pouring from other states the last 10 years as well.

[dbmk]

152. And check out this SUSA poll

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=7e1ed059-9ef0-4a2c-a2a6-3cbef8ca9803

81-19 among hispanics for Obama.

[formercia]

45. Only if she takes her teeth out. n/t

[Bjornsdotter]

47. K & R n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. All you need to do is win NC by 132%

Using Clinton math, you can do it!

[SaveAmerica]

49. Where you getting that knock out blow from? W?

[Leopolds Ghost]

122. Yeah, this had better be the good stuff.

:rofl:

[wowimthere]

50. Time for the Clintons to be sent back to the 90s where they belong...

[LSK]

51. Obama 51.3 - Clinton 35.8

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nc/north_carolina_democratic_primary-275.html

[rodeodance]

76. 04/10 - 04/21, this was pre PA win. But its 16 pts for O. lose.

[LSK]

81. when has Obama ever lost ground in a state to Hillary???

Hasnt he ALWAYS closed the gap or pulled ahead when they started campaigning there?

[kevinbgoode]

114. OH, I expect Hillary to immediately go on television and declare

that if the people of Great Britain had not been disenfranchised in voting for her in our election, she would be the nominee.

[futureliveshere]

52. "Steal" is the right word!!!

:rofl:

All the best to you and fellow 'stealers'. But NC is Obama territory. Lets see if she can reduce his lead the way he did to hers in PA.

[Jed Dilligan]

56. Or you could just donate to the NC GOP

They are running attack ads against Obama.

[yourguide]

57. SHE NEEDS TO WIN EVERY REMAINING STATE AT 68%...

HELLLLLLLOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[Raffi Ella]

59. Oh YEAH!

She's gonna fight like hell for NC and Indiana and I plan on doing everything I can to help her win -I donated my biggest sum yet, $500, after her win in PA! I plan on making phone calls for her as well.



Step It Up Y'all! :kick:

K&R

[Political Heretic]

64. I BELIEEEEEVE I CAN FLY I BELIEVEEE I CAN TOUCH THE SKY LA LA LA LA

Everyone, all together now!

[Raffi Ella]

153. How ironic,

coming from an Obama supporter! lol.:P

[rodeodance]

65. REC

[onenote]

67. I think you meant "wreck"

[UALRBSofL]

66. To All Clinton Supporters ! ! ! !

Send your rebate check to Senator Clinton because she needs our support. Obama is outspending her 5 to 1 in Indiana and North Carolina. This is an emergency and we need ads running today. Please go to Clinton's web site and donate. Thank You!

That Is All! :)

[rodeodance]

68. i has no arrived. but some will definately go to Hillary.

[Road Scholar]

71. Hillary is bringing their smear campaign train wreck here to NC

but we're ready for her and Bill too. NC will be the end of the Clinton bullshit.

[rove karl rove]

78. no loss in NC isn't going to stop her but an IN one could

she will push it to the max.

[UALRBSofL]

80. rodeodance, I know a lot of folks can't afford to send the whole check

Mine hasn't arrived yet either. That said, I should have posted to all folks send what you can of your rebate check. I'm sure there are folks around the country that can't really afford but if they are able to send $5.oo that would help a lot as well. Anyway, thank you for your support. Your a great trooper posting on DU. Personally I have to take breaks from the discussion forum or I fill myself getting bitter. :)

[ShortnFiery]

72. 5 to 1?!? Like HRC's people lied in PA that only amounted to 2 to 1? It's not Obama's fault

that HRC can't raise money. She wouldn't cut him any slack. In fact, HRC would swagger, spit and censure Obama for WHINING like "a baby" for complaining ... remember the "can't stand the opponent's campaign discipline and fund raising" then get OUT OF THE RACE? :evilgrin:

[Independent-Voter]

135. Blah blah blah - he's outspending, because he's OUTRAISING HER YOU FUCKING IDIOT!

Seems so simple, yet Hillary supporters just can't get it through their thick skulls what the reality of the situation is.

[scheming daemons]

70. Unless the entire state is Diebolded, Hillary has no chance there...

..

[JimGinPA]

73. Yet Another Hillogical Thread

:eyes:

[SoCalDem]

74. Hillary's coffers

[Lannigan]

79. K&R - nt

[kevinbgoode]

87. LOL...only a Hillary supporter would claim that winning one primary

equals the nomination. She must be planning to campaign in the general election among New England states and in NY, Pennsylvania and maybe California. . .cuz she can't afford the rest of them, doesn't recognize their voters or delegates, and believed she was going to skate to the nomination until she couldn't. . .and now demands it anyway.

[kennetha]

103. It's not the math that matters

if Obama loses NC, he has NO ARGUMENT LEFT to make to the supers. He will have totally tanked and will be seen as stupendously unelectable. Neither the media, nor the kool-aid drinkers seem to realize how precarious Obama's situation is. Mark my words, if Hillary wins NC, Obama is toast. He may even withdraw.

Of course, we have to actually do it. We need money to do so and a take no prisoners campaign over the next two weeks.

Fortunately, the repugnants in NC are helping out a bit.

Go Hillary!

[onenote]

108. "fortunately the repubs are helping out a bit"

sort of says it all, doesn't it.

BTW, NC is a closed primary. It has a substantial AA population among registered Dems (north of 40 percent), the redneck voters are repubs. The Research Triangle and college age voters Dems and fall squarely within the Obama demo.

But if it helps you get through the day, by all means, keep on dreaming until you have to face reality.

[kevinbgoode]

112. Wow...and Hillary, after eleven losses in a row....didn't tank.

I love reading good fiction.

And yes...isn't it endearing to think the Superdelegates are going to reward the Democratic nomination to someone who received such enthusiastic far-right Republican support - which deserts her the second she gets the nomination.

Then Hillary can blame the loss of the fall election on all of the Dems she alienated during the campaign.

[gal]

142. I need a answer...

How are you NOT ELECTABLE if your winning?
Obama is winning pledged delegates and popular vote.
When Hillary Clinton passes him THEN she is more electable but until that happens he is the more electable candidate as there is more people voting for him.

[rolleitreks]

89. Excellent satire! n/t

[gsaguyCLW54]

90. Ill keep my fingers crossed.....but my money is donated after the convention

[chapel hill dem]

93. Most NC college students will be home by May 08. If they did not

vote early in their college town, then they have to vote at home. I am not sure what the last day to register is, but this could dampen the Obama vote.
FWIW

[BlooInBloo]

94. Heh. Clinton supporters hopeful about low Democratic voter turnout. How novel.

EDIT: Made subject more precise.

[UALRBSofL]

95. I think the last day to register was already passed

I could be wrong but I thought someone told me it had passed.

[onenote]

102. possibly: but there are a lot of "in-state" college students in NC

The big schools in the state: UNC (various campuses) and NC State, are state schools that are required by law to admit mostly in-state students. I think UNC's freshman class is something like 80 percent in-state.

So they will still be around to vote if they are so motivated.

In addition, early voting has been well-publicized within the college community from what I understand. See the following from the UNC website:

http://uncnews.unc.edu/news/campus-and-community/chancellor-mayor-student-body-president-faculty-chair-to-vote-thursday-first-day-of-early-voting.html

[chapel hill dem]

133. Most in-state college students are registered in their home town, not their college town.

This usually happens when they turn 18 and get their full driver's license. Yes, I know it can be obtained at 17, but a lot of kids wait until their 18th birthday so they can register to vote and register with the draft at the same time.

This means that they either go home to vote on Tuesday, vote early (pre-arranged in their home town) or skip voting due to exams and dorm check-out.

It really is a messy time to get NC college students to vote.

[MattNC]

106. No, they won't

most will still be in the middle of finals. But, like you said, anyone interested in voting will have ample opportunity to do so by May 6. The Obama campaign seems to be doing a good job of recognizing that fact.

[Erin Elizabeth]

96. It may also mean that you're going to sprout wings

and lay an egg!

Stay fabulous, man, stay fabulous.

:rofl:

[Danger Mouse]

99. Not. Going. To happen.

[Road Scholar]

110. We're still embarrassed about Jesse Helms down her, Hillary

ain't Happenin' in NC. We're ready for her and her tatics.

[Yael]

101. K&R

You all keep that grocery money coming. Hilly has a loan to pay back.

Soon as that is taken care of, she's outta here -- and said to say "thanks for retiring my debt".

Woot!!

[nichomachus]

105. Thank you

I thank you, my tailor thanks you, my broker thanks you, and my deli thanks you.

[sueragingroz]

109. yay! Go Hillary!

[LulaMay]

111. Indiana, Indiana, Indiana!!!! WHOO-HOOO! and close the gap in NC...He's TOAST

[mystieus]

118. okay, i'll send $250..... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bensthename]

119. Sad, but Obama gains polling from the start of a primary, where Hillary drops. ie. PA..

I wouldnt count on Hillary improving her numbers.

[wisteria]

123. Wake up! She has already lost.to Senator Obama.He is our nominee. n/t

[aquarius dawning]

138. I think you need to wake up. He hasn't been declared shit.

[zulchzulu]

124. Are you suggesting she run her head into a wall? That's about what it's going to be like...

She'll have a knockout blow, alright...

:rofl:

[Seabiscuit]

129. I've been away for a few days but did read the USA Today headlines this morning that Hillary

raised a record-setting $10 million on the day after the PA. primary, largely from tens of thousands of new donors.

I've decided to join their ranks. I'm donating my first dollar to Hillary tomorrow, along with another 2,299 dollars. In one swell foop. I want her to have a very good Friday.

[aquarius dawning]

137. The demographics don't favor us in NC from what I've seen.

I believe in "choosing my battles" which means fighting on ground that favors me and withdrawing from ground that favors the enemy. I was thinking that the summer battles were much more favorable to Hillary than North Carolina. I was thinking that we should attempt to mitigate his victory in NC by appealing to the rural white voters and accepting that he will win the urban areas. We don't have to win, but we need to keep his victory small and manageable so we don't lose momentum and resources going into the later battles. We need to fix him in NC, not beat him. This is just my opinion of course and I'm nobody really. If you can make a strong argument against me, I would listen to it.

[Stop Cornyn]

139. We agree that NC ought to deliver a knockout blow ...

[lojasmo]

141. Yup. Time for Clinton to go

[Beacool]

145. I've been donating for a long time.

IN is a possible win for her, but in NC we can only wish to narrow the gap since the demographics don't favor us.

[SeaLyons]

147. K&R

hillaryclinton.com

[snooper2]

155. I'll bookmark this thread for you....

just for a week and a half or so :rofl:



GOBAMA!

[krkaufman]

156. I dunno. Maybe Bill shouldn't be campaigning down there. n/t