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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:30 AM
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Why I support Barack Obama, but think Hillary Clinton is the better candidate.
When I decided to jump ship to Obama's campaign, I stated very simply that I still believed Hillary Clinton was the better and more qualified candidate for President of the United States. I still believe that to be true today, even though I'm still part of Obama's campaign and still eagerly awaiting the General Election battle against Senator John McCain in November!

Some of you wondered why. I'll tell you why. I want to state my reasons, for nothing else than to show why I think all Americans should come to the conclusion that Senator Obama's time is now and our time to win is now!

Here are my reasons:

#1- MATH It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who the Democratic nominee will be. Senator Barack Obama may not be able to put her away just yet, but we all know he will. Even Hillary supporters here on DU are optimistic yet concerned, and I can't think of many of you that haven't cast doubts that she'll win or that haven't tried to spin the fact that she's losing. When it became apparent to me that Senator Obama was going to be the Democratic nominee, I had no issue. I like and respect the hell out of Obama, and think he'd make a great President. So for that matter, it was somewhat easier for me. My conclusion was that Hillary Clinton's window of opportunity had all but closed, and I wasn't going to be on the wrong side of history. I didn't jump ship to side with the winner before he won, I jumped ship because I knew the only direction for Clinton was down and more negative. And I knew she wouldn't drop out yet, and would only mud up our chances in the fall. Not help them. Not because she hates America or the Democratic Party, but because she aggressively wants to be President. My father likes that about her. He told me the other day that she was tough for staying in, and he wanted a President who wouldn't quit when it got tough. I agree, and I think it's incredible how she's kept in and kept strong. But I knew by her staying in, it'd do more damage than good. And so far, I think I've been right.

#2- ELECTABILITY I posted a thread several, several months ago when I still supported Senator John Edwards about Senator Obama being the most electable candidate in the fall. I still believe that, despite the fact I support Edwards at the time and later supported Clinton before jumping ship to his campaign. I know the Clinton strategy to try and manuever victory out of his hands is to raise doubts whether he's electable. And that's a fine argument to make. Because he has plenty of scandals, controversies, and questions to answer about his past. But so do the Clintons. This is politics, John McCain is a Republican, their playbook is dirty, and any Democratic candidate is going to get blasted with bullshit talking point after bullshit talking point. I'm confident that Obama can respond, and respond in a way that comes off human and Presidential. Not only that I think he does something that Hillary can't, and that's appeal to moderate Republicans and independents. McCain has gone so far to the right, that he will no longer appeal to them in a way that he did in 2000. And Clinton, despite my feeling towards her being very positive, is absolutely polarizing. Up wards of fifty percent, if not more, would not vote for her by default in the fall. Barack Obama inspires people and gives them hope, and for that reason his time seems to be now--and he can carry us to victory in November!

#3- TACTICS This reason is a new one, and ties back to reason one. I said I knew the Clinton's only strategy going forward would to be negative. And I was right. They've came after Obama with the Rev. Wright stuff, leaking pictures of him in Muslim garb, questioning whether he's electable in the fall, and pushing a 'bitter' comment whether he misspoke and they distorted in the same fashion that Rove and Bush misused Kerry's "87 billion" comment in 2004. They've showcased advertisements with children saying Obama isn't ready to answer the phone at 3am if a crisis hits, playing the fear card. And Hillary became the first Democratic candidate to use 9/11 as a fear tactic in an advertisement showcasing Bin Laden and Pearl Harbor. These tactics have only given Republicans their talking points for November, and bitterly divided the Democratic party and is finishing this primary season off with a very toxic tone.

There you have it. These are my reasons. They may not be good reasons to you, but to me they are. I geniunely believe Senator Hillary Clinton is the better candidate, and I had looked forward to her being the nominee. But the math isn't on her side, I have questions about her electability, and I hate her campaigns tactics. Those three reasons are the sole basis for my support for Barack Obama, and I hope when he's the nominee we can all come together and beat John McCain.

I may trust Clinton more on the economy, like her healthcare plan more than Obama's because of it's similiarity to Edwards, and believe she has the experience to take on the job from day one. But it's Obama's time, and he'll make a great President. And I'm looking forward to helping him, with all of you, to win in the November election!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:34 AM
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1. I'm sorry, but John McCain is more qualified.
I'm glad you're an Obama supporter, but Hillary and McCain both voted for war.

Jugdement > Experience
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:36 AM
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3. I supported Kerry in 04', Edwards in 08'. Voting for the war has never been the defining issue.
At least for me. I can understand why it is for others.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:34 AM
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2. As another Edwards supporter, I agree with much of that.
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:35 AM by onehandle
I am committed to the Nominee.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:36 AM
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4. It'd be easier on me if Edwards was the nominee.
:P
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:47 AM
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13. It would have been easier on the party.
You know what the polls said about Edwards against McCain in the GE.

oh well...
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:47 AM
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14. Edwards would have easily wiped the floor with him.
Too bad he couldn't get heard or noticed over the media circus.

He started too towards the end, but it was already too late.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:38 AM
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5. I disagree; I think Hillary has demonstrated she is a terrible candidate.
Her kamikaze campaign, horrible stewardship of her campaign's finances, and her monster negatives which she has personally driven down 14-pts since January make HER unelectable.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:39 AM
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7. I don't know about unelectable, she's very polarizing.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:38 AM
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6. I'm baffled by the fact that you clearly (unintentionally) outline why it's OBAMA who is the
better candidate, yet you still insist Hillary is. You are confusing some POLICIES of Hillary's, that you happen to prefer, with her actual candidacy. You don't like her tactics, you concede that she's a loser in the math, and you don't think she's that electable. Your "Hillary's a better candidate" argument makes no sense at all.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:41 AM
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9. Better candidate= Best represents the policies I prefer and direction I want the country taken.
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:42 AM by Kerry2008
She just doesn't have a chance, and she needs to drop out.

Does that mean I think Obama is better? Absolutely not.

But I've made my peace, and I'm 100% comfortable with him as the nominee.

He'll make a great President....
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:45 AM
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10. You prefer obliterating Iran with nuclear war if they attack another country?
OK, then.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:46 AM
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11. You really can't stand when someone's opinion doesn't match yours, do you?
Grow up...

This isn't how you'll pull people into the Obama campaign.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:51 AM
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15. Hillary is not electable for two reasons
She can't beat Obama and her electability argument is BS

There are actually a lot of other reasons, including two weird gaffes that have created an international furor in less than a week, but those two are undeniable.

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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:53 AM
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18. Well, I agree. She can't beat Obama.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:35 PM
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23. Doesn't she have to
beat Obama to be electable?

That's my point.

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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:49 PM
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25. No, not really. I think Edwards was electable. So was Biden or Dodd. They just didn't win the nom.
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 12:58 PM by Kerry2008
She can lose to Obama and still be electable.

I think all of our candidates, minus Kucinich and Gravel, were electable.

Obama and Edwards were always the most electable.

Then Clinton, Biden and Dodd.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:52 AM
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17. Well, sounds like YOU are the one who doesn't like opposing opinions.
You made a post, but when someone challenges your points, you can't get huffy about it. My job is to challenge your assertions. That's what makes discussions, NOT circle jerks.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:57 AM
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19. You accused me of supporting an attack on Iran because I think she's the better candidate....
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:12 PM
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20. You said you support her policies. Her policies and Obama's are much the same--
it's pretty hard to make that argument, frankly. There's just not that much difference between them--EXCEPT for a willingness to sound like an insane bloodthirsty hawk. That's all Hillary's schtick. Just checking to see if you agreed with that sort of bellicose bullshit, or not.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:48 PM
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24. I believe Hillary's healthcare plan is better. I believe she's better on economic issues.
On foreign policy, I'd give that column to Barack. No doubt.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:39 AM
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8. Excellent post.
I think Hillary is an astounding campaigner, even though I detest the way she campaigns. I felt the same way about Bush in 2004 -- nasty, divisive campaigner, but he knew what would work, and he didn't shy away from it, and in the end he got what he wanted.

I think Hillary-Obama would've been a tremendously strong ticket this year, but alas it is not to be.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:46 AM
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12. i used to support her too
there was a time when i'd have had no problem casting my vote for her, were she to win the primaries

despite her known flaws (poll-driven decision making, overwhelming HRC hate from the right, etc)

but then?

those tactics kicked in...
and the inconsistencies
and the conflicts of interest
etc

i'll still vote for her if i must, but it might sting i little.

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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:51 AM
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16. I too am glad you are in the Obama camp
but Hillary's qualifications are based not on her strengths but her husbands. The truth is she did not make Bill, Bill made her. In Arkansas having the wife of the governor on the board, lawfirm. etc. thats quite a coup. I do not see her as having earning anything. It has been handed to her

"From the start, Hillary not only proudly assumed credit for everything that happened when her husband was the President, but absurdly added her years as First Lady to her political resume. We knew that her actual “experience” started with her position as a U.S. senator, but, like the plumber’s wife who talks handily about clogged toilets even though she has never wielded a plunger, we overlooked it. It was close enough. After all, she could have been the president if she’d had the chance. However, when she came up against real, live, disgruntled Pennsylvania voters who had lost their jobs offshore because of NAFTA, she switched horses, telling us she hadn’t agreed with the NAFTA pact pushed through by her husband, anyway."

great article from a feminsit

We Can Do Better
Hillary: Another Feminist Perspective
By LAURA SANTINA
http://counterpunch.org/santina04232008.html
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:23 PM
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21. Interesting ........ you use the word 'trust' in referring to ....... Hillary.
Even if you still prefer Hillary's Health Care plan , what makes you think she would actually implement it as stated on paper? 'Trust' is a big issue with me in judging someones character, and there have been quite a few instances in this primary as it played out that Hillary has lost my 'trust'.

As far as the Economy being directed better by Hillary, are you sure your not judging this decision based on 'The Bill Clinton Presidency' past? Coming forward to today, and just observing the financing of either campaigns performance till now, well I trust Obama in that regard, but that's just me. :)

All that aside, I wish more Hillary supporters would be brave enough as yourself to just make the decision to jump ship and move on so as you say we can come together and beat John McSame. Peace.


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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:28 PM
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22. thank you for laying itt out like that, nice post :)
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