Why Obama can't beat McCain...the racist 8 percent...Roger Simon

[hell-bent]

Obama is the wrong choice right now. He will not be able to overcome the racist 8 percent or the 15 percent of white voters that think Obama is a Muslim according to a an AP-Yahoo poll on April 2-14. As ignorant and racist as that poll sounds, it probably is an indication of what Obama will be up against. And, those figures might be a bit low according to Simon. Is this the time to "test the waters" with his candidacy in November? There is too much at stake, folks. Idealism and hope are wonderful; however, defeat in November would be disastrous for the average American citizen. Just keep in mind that these prejudiced voters will override their miserable economic situation with their strong dislike of a man of mixed races. It is a sorry fact at the present time. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9761.html

[powergirl]

1. So why do the Republicans want Clinton to be their opponent

:shrug:

[Kittycat]

27. Don't inject common sense in to this discussion

We know hillfans don't tolerate it very well. Case in point... MATH.

[Bensthename]

2. GOP always gets the racists.. Nothing new there. They can keep them too.

Obama will pick up more then Hillary or McCain..

[lisa58]

3. aren't the "racist 8 percent" already voting republican?

[TexasLady]

7. 'zact;ly

And I find most racists to be sexists as well..the men anyway. As in Good Ol Boys Clubs

[PVnRT]

11. Kind of what I thought as well

Each party is going to have a committed % voting for it; this is just a reach.

[beezlebum]

12. yep

the same 8 percent who wouldn't vote for obama would not vote for a woman either, or any dem, because, as you stated, they are already voting republican.

people who don't like black people don't like persons of middle eastern decent either and have no problem with war.

such bs.

[Arkansas Granny]

18. You're probably right.

[redqueen]

19. Vast majority of them, yup.

[onenote]

21. Yep, which is why the poll the OP cites found that Obama is a stronger candidate than HRC

I love it when DUers post references to polls that they obviously haven't bothered to actually read and thus don't realize they completely undermine the point they are trying to make. Too funny!!


http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-gains

[Thrill]

4. So why are the Repukes making ads for Obama now?

During the Primary?

[BeyondGeography]

5. Will the racists let us know when they're "ready," Roger?

Old school horseshit...let's keep making the world safe for ignorant white racists and forget the 85% of white people who don't give a shit about Obama's race. Not to mention people of color who might actually be excited by the prospect.

[beezlebum]

16. saying

obama shouldn't be the nom because racist 8% won't vote for him is utter and pure racist bile in itself. so, we should not vote a for a black guy to keep 8% of the population happy?

it's kind of like something insane i read the other day- clinton made her obliteration comment to keep the "moderates" happy.

utter old school horseshit.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

6. You might've been right a couple months ago...

but now Clinton is the poorest candidate to put up against McCain. She's acquired way too much baggage and dirt for the Republicans to throw at her in the GE... which is why Limbaugh's whole thing was to turn out conservatives to vote for HER in the primary...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. So, Hillary would get the racist vote? Why?

[Catherina]

9. And we want racists in the Democratic party because? n/t

[zulchzulu]

10. So when is the "right time" for racism to end?

This is the same shithead argument that Goldwater and other Repig asswipes used when civil rights legislation (which was very popular) was going to be enacted.

What a fucked up OP.

[onenote]

13. And if you actually look at the AP/Yahoo poll, you aren't going to like it if you're for HRC

Live by a poll, die by a poll. Yes, the AP/Yahoo poll shows that there is portion of the electorate that is racist and ignorant. Guess what: they're mostly repubs who aren't going to vote for HRC either. And, thus, here' is what the AP/YAHOO poll found: "Obama appears to be the stronger candidate"

Sorry.

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-gains

[Life Long Dem]

14. The voters are ignorant right now if they think Obama is Muslim

The more people learn about Obama the more they are voting for him. Obama rises in the polls over time and Clinton sinks.

[wndycty]

15. So Hillary and her supporters want the racist 8% to determine our nominee?

I thought a president, and for that a matter a presidential candidate, was supposed to lead.

[BlooInBloo]

17. Heh. Gotta love DUers.

[Triana]

20. Can't be any worse than the percentage of Clinton-haters who..

...right now are supporting her because they want to defeat her in the GE (but she's too selfish to care).

Many men will NOT vote for a female and certainly NOT Hillary. What percentage of those are out there? I'd venture to say at least the same percentage.

The article may not present a false premise however, there is a similar divide for Hillary re: sexism and the sheer fact that she's a Clinton.

[frickaline]

22. I think this is the wrong reason to choose a candidate.

[NJmaverick]

23. 90+% of racists vote republican and would never vote democrat

Beyond that, Hillary and company says that sexism is rampant. So what about the 25% that would never vote for a woman as president????

[scheming daemons]

24. I don't want the racist vote.... it is voting GOP no matter who our nominee is anyway...

[Fluffdaddy]

25. The 800-pound gorilla in the room, that no one wants to look at.:)

And that's why I dont think BO can't win in the GE. There are just e-nuff racist to make a difference in a close race.

I WANT TO WIN

[RaleighNCDUer]

34. You left 'MCCAIN' out of your scream.

A mere oversight, I'm sure.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

26. You win! Stupidest argument against Obama EVER.

Where's the "Fuck you" emoticon?

[jobycom]

28. How many of those would vote for ANY Democrat? Besides, McCain gets worse numbers

because of his age. Polls have shown a higher number of people saying they wouldn't vote for McCain because he was too old.

And no doubt Obama would pull in voters other candidates would miss. Maybe because of his race, maybe because of his age, and largely just because the media has been campaigning for him 24/7 since he was first elected to the senate.

Don't get me wrong, he will lose in November. He has no experience, he has only borrowed words and ideas, and once he starts campaigning against McCain, the media will turn on him. Some already have. He will lose--that's the corporate plan. But it won't be because of his race (Or because of Clinton).

[DinahMoeHum]

29. Fuck 'em. Let their kids die in Iraq.

There comes a point where you just cannot fix stupid.

And if they come begging to me for a life preserver - I'll throw them an anchor.

:evilfrown:

[Barack_America]

30. If our country won't vote for Obama because of racism, it deserves McCain.

There, I said it. Been holding back on that for a while.

That's how I feel. If our country is willing to put its prejudices above its best interests, then it deserves what it gets.

I'll work with my community to survive a McCain presidency together. As for what happens to poor racist whites under McCain, I couldn't care less.

[Terran]

32. That is exactly how I feel

After the last eight years, if this country rejects the chance to go down a better path out of something as pathetic as racism, then we deserve what we get. Let China or India run the world, because our time is up.

[krawhitham]

31. So what, 8% will never vote for a woman either

[mkultra]

33. and what percentage are sexists?

[gsaguyCLW54]

35. Are people here aware that not all racists are Republicans....

....yes, there are Democrats that will never vote for a person of color.

[RaleighNCDUer]

36. but there are plenty who will vote for a republican.

Fuck em. We can do without them.

[onenote]

37. I'm sure there are. And neither are all sexists.

Take a look at the poll that the OP relies on. You may find it interesting.

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-gains

[Aloha Spirit]

38. most of the racist 8 also hate women and gays, so I don't see what the problem is.

[TragedyandHope]

39. Those voters were going to vote McCain anyway

It's a hollow argument.

[jzola]

40. There's 8% who won't vote for an old man as well.

[windbreeze]

41. yes, but......I wonder how much sexism will also have an effect...

how many persons of any color don't want a woman president either??...both racism and sexism are a problem...it isn't just one of them....Pa proved that...wb