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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:27 PM Original message |
Did you know that Obama netted more delegates out of Idaho than Hillary did out of Pennsylvania? |
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guyanakoolaid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. But Idaho just has potatoes, not huge infrastructure, so their votes should count less. |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
2. Do you think he would win Idaho in the General Election? |
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johnnydrama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. no, he won't win Idaho, but... |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
36. polls at this time are worthless |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Indeed. Coattails cannot be discounted! |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. That's like asking if you can win the Superbowl playing by World Series rules. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. You are one worn out one-note. |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Don't cry, little one |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Tell me of your tears in June. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. Tears of joy that clinton the proven liar finally accepts her loss? Sounds awesome! |
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gsaguyCLW54 (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. yeah, but she can win FLA, OH, MI, PA |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. This is not the General Election. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
44. Obama has coattails, and Hillary doesn't. We could get a Dem Senator AND a Dem Rep with Obama. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #44 |
72. what in the heck makes you think he has coattails? most people never heard of the guy a year ago. n |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Because of how I just explained it. |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
6. Did you know the Rockies won 21 of their last 22 games last year? |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
85. Whoo-hoo! n/t |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. Wow. |
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gsaguyCLW54 (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
9. and did you know that he'll never win idaho in November |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. What does that have to do with ANYTHING regardin the PRIMARY?? |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
73. don't you think dems should consider who can actually win the GE when choosing the nominee? nt |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Clinton has taken the all state popular vote lead after PA - leads Obama by 122,728 |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. ANOTHER CLINTONITE LIE. FL AND MI DON'T COUNT. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. No matter how many times you post that, it's still wrong. n/t |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. the voices of those Idahoan Dems are just as important as yours. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
45. Are you from Idaho? Probably not, I am. And Obama has a chance that Hillary doesn't. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #45 |
75. i live in SD; yeah, O may get a few more % points than hill, but there's no way in hell he's going t |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Actually, since you're not a psychic, you can't predict what will happen in November now. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
11. Did you read the Rolling Stone cover story about Obama? |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
13. Exactly and remember when all of the Clintonn DUers were laughing at Obama for going to |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
15. That tells you how ridiculous the pledged delegate system is. n/t |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. actually it proves the genius of the system |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Pennsylvania is more important than Idaho. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. It has more say in the General Election, because of the winnertakeall nature |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Democracy won't mean much when there is a McGovern-esque blow in the general election |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. You do know that Missouri is the Traditional Bellweather, don't you? |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. How is Obama going to win the low-income white voters in the suburbs in MO? |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. How is Hillary going to win the Cities without Blacks? That is how Dems have always won Missouri |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. The blacks will come back to Hillary. Are they going to vote for the Rethugs? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:18 AM Response to Reply #35 |
70. They will abandon the Dem party if Clinton steals the nomination from Obama. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
49. Yes, it does and since we don't hold our state convention until June, I thought you would like |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
54. Moreso it proves |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
16. Which just goes to show that the PDs don't reflect the will of the American people. Each delegate |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. The Idaho PDs reflect the will of their state, as do those of PA |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. ALL THE DELEGATES. Those are the rules of the democratic nominating contest |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. The Delegates are representatives of the voters from their states |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. To say that delegates are representative of the voters from their states is silly |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #43 |
86. No, the delegates are apportioned by the votes, so it isn't absurd. |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
19. And is that not quite absurd? |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Not at all |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. And Utah will vote democrat in November? |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. the Primary results do not determine the General results and never have |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
31. How many people participated in the Idaho caucuses? |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
37. "Something new and vibrant?" Like what? Don't count big states that Hillary has won.... |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. she didn't win anything in MI and FL, those elections were wholly flawed |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
38. kandr |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
41. 21,124 people participated in Idaho caucuses. 2,260,000 Democrats voted in Pennsylvania. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. And 4 million voted in Texas! And guess what - Obama won there, too! |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. The caucus portion, not the primary vote. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. You're nitpicking and that's not a good sign at this juncture of Hillary's campaign. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. You're right. 4,000,000 Democratic voters is too small a nit to pick. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. you would rather have the SDs choose and totally overrule the Primaries? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I agree, but those are the rules. The same rules that allow Idaho and Alaska to overrule PA and Ohio |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Do you honestly think that the SDs will even try it? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Do you think they will pick the winner of Idaho and Alaska over the winner of Ohio and PA? |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:55 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. They will pick the person with the most Pledged Delegates. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #52 |
87. No, what I meant was - Obama actually won the state of Texas. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
90. Ridiculous on it's face. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. And Texas had 2,000 times the voters. That's what's ridiculous. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Clinton supporters and math... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. You're correct. Idaho caucusers are allocated 190 times more weight than Texas Democrats. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Texas also has a caucus, ergo the paltry delegate gain. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. No, it's gamed against Democratic voters. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Agree/disagree. |
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bobbert (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. Where did you get the exact number of idaho caucus goers? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Here, the New York Times. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
55. Does not that prove that the currect delegate strategy sucks? Idaho means squat in the GE |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. we're not in the General! That's the whole point. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
59. but Idaho doesn't count |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. It counts, but not at a ratio of 1,000 to 1. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. What????? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Idaho has 18 delegates and 22,000 caucusgoers. PA has 158 and 2,300.000 voters. |
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sakura (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. 22,000 : 2,300,000 is a 100:1 ratio, not 1000:1 |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:36 AM Response to Reply #69 |
81. 100:1 isn't a good thing nor is the within state schemes |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:22 AM Response to Reply #81 |
91. Hillary only won in 1 county in the entire state of Idaho, out of 44 counties. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Obama won 7 counties in Pennsylvania, Clinton won 60. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #81 |
105. they got 3X the delegates because they had 3X more dem voters than "others" |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #66 |
89. We have 23 delegates. 5 more will be chosen in June at our state convention, for Obama. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #89 |
98. So, you're ok with Dem leaders in a small state overruling Dem voters in a large state? |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #66 |
94. but having Super Delegates who represent NO ONE would be more fair? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #94 |
99. I agree with you. Let's all follow the rules. Supers can do whatever they want under the rules. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. absolutely! And we count delegates in all states where the rules were followed. |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
63. LOL - "the birth of something new and vibrant." -- democracy, schmocracy, |
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Secret_Society (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
68. True democracy in the Democratic Party... |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
71. yeah, and how many electoral votes are dems going to get out of idaho? yeah, ZERO. nt |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Wins in Primary =/= Wins in GE |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. you mean "does not equal?" if so, that's exactly why we have superdelegates. nt |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
76. Yes I did - but he won it for only one reason - she couldn't give a damn about it |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Why should she give a damn about it? Pledged delegates don't count |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
78. Do you know the last time Idaho went Dem in a GE? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
80. That shows he much of a fraud the delegate scheme is |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
84. Hmm, so winning Idaho with 3 electoral votes is better than PA with about 26? |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. No, we have 4 electoral votes. But, the delegate count for Obama here wiped out Hill's win in PA. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Yea, but you don't count. |
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liberaldem4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
104. K & R!! Haven't heard that before-that's great |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
106. K & R |
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