In NC the GOP is doing fucked up shit against Obama and ALL DEMOCRATS should be beating their asses

[wndycty]

. . .but unfortunately HRC and her supporters will probably support this effort.

Even John McCain is DENOUNCING THIS AD. Where the FUCK is Hillary?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXxkctYRAZQ

[Kittycat]

1. Probably photo copying her Penn Playbook, that Rove lent them - and passing it on.

[Emit]

37. Probably helping to fund the ad!

[DJ13]

2. Hillary is COUNTING on groups like this to help her

If theres one thing this primary season has taught, its that deep inside both Clintons have always been racists.

Oh sure Bill did some good things for the AA community when he needed their votes in the 90's, but those days are long gone.

[cbayer]

27. You know, DJ, I am going to have to challenge that.

The Clintons are not racists. You may not like them. You may not agree with some of the tactics that have been used in this primary run, but they are not racists.

[wileedog]

33. So why is the Republican denouncing the ad and Clinton is not?

I don't think they are racist either.

Morally bankrupt and despicable, but not racist.

[cbayer]

36. I don't know why and hope that they do.

Silence does not imply consent (just look at all of Obama's present votes). It may imply uncertainty or lack of clarity or a recognition that you can't win either way.

Thank you for saying they are not racist. A lot of accusations that are made here I can stomach. That particular one, I cannot.

[EFerrari]

38. That's right. They only play them on teevee. n/t

[cbayer]

41. I have to admit, that one did make me laugh.

:hi:

[EFerrari]

115. Laughing is a good thing these days.

:hi:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

53. They aren't racists, but they are willing to let certain things slide if it helps them.

[cbayer]

58. All politicians are willing to let certain things slide if it helps them

That is why I quit politics. I am not capable of letting certain things slide. All successful politicians are willing to let certain things slide if it helps them.

[DerekJ]

3. They should show McCain calling his wife the C word, followed by him accepting the Catholicism is a

whore religion.

That should destroy himmmm.

[Catherina]

6. That would probably elevate him in certain eyes

:scared:

[DerekJ]

13. Those eyes will never vote for Obama anyways.

The ones on the fence though, especially decent women will be disgusted.
It will kill the "Family Values" argument republicans usually run with.

[Blue_Roses]

72. he doesn't need to stoop to that nasty level...

McCain is trying to get them to not air the ads. He said he doesn't want that to represent is campaign. Isn't it an activist group airing this ad?

[Political Heretic]

105. When did he call her the C word

:wow:

[JVS]

124. How are you going to broadcast the C-word? It'll get bleeped and people will think it was a less...

offensive word.

[GoldieAZ49]

4. The local GOP office isn't going to listen to any dem or repub, it is a statewide race

not national. They can run anything they want to.

Here is the problem, they are attacking the down ticket candidates through their endorsement of Obama.

What signal does that send to other Super Delegates? Do you think they have enough political capitol that they will want their photo and name laid over Rev Wright & Obama?

perception is everything and this is EXACTLY what the SD's look at, the candidates running down ticket.

[mmonk]

54. So you approve of this strategy?

Here is Clinton's problem if she steals this thing at the end by twisting superdelegates to go against the states and their delegates: LOW AA turnout.

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[Mags]

15. why when BO is attack by a Republican, do you folk whine and cry

for Hillary to come to his rescue? That is his job, not hers. I would be totally embrassed if Hillary had to call on the Precious One to come to my rescue.

[blogslut]

7. Hillary who?

n/t

[NC_Nurse]

8. It's okay because we in NC will beat their asses.

Everyone I talk to is disgusted with Hillary's nasty campaign. This latest Repub bullshit just
proves she is NOT the candidate of change. She's part of the RW machine - shit, she's even
kissing up to the people she said were part of the "vast RW conspiracy" against her and Bill (Scaife).

[gabeana]

9. From what I understand Hillary has not spoken out against it

like McCain and the GOP

RNC and John McCain Condemn Anti-Obama TV Ad; Hillary Clinton Mum
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/rnc-and-john-mc.html

Hill and her supporters have a lot Class?

[gabeana]

10. From what I understand Hillary has not spoken out against it

like McCain and the GOP

RNC and John McCain Condemn Anti-Obama TV Ad; Hillary Clinton Mum
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/rnc-and-john-mc.html

Hill and her supporters have a lot Class?

[OzarkDem]

19. Clinton isn't a Republican, she's a Dem

Objections from fellow Republican will exert more influence in getting the ad off the air.

It will only be temporary, you must realize. If Obama were to win the nomination, we would see far worse than this during the GE.

[gabeana]

21. don't be naive or dishonest

she love this, she could disavow it but as of now she chooses not to
It's all about her like I said she and her supporters show a lot of class

[wndycty]

23. Hillary would get a ton of respect and some support if she took the high road and condemned this...

. . .I truly believe that one of the reasons she has struggled is because she has SOLD OUT on the irrelevant wedge issues and has either been silent or agree with the likes of Hannity or Limbaugh. I won't vote for McCain but he has completely outclassed her in this arena.

[Chovexani]

99. Oh please

Y'all would find something to bash her on even if she did. She can't do anything right. Hell, she can't even win fair and square without the Chris Crocker contingent crying into their koolaid.

Hillary breathes and the koolaid set accuses her of polluting the atmosphere with CO2 emissions and killing the planet, evil cackling wench.

[ScarletSniper]

109. You nailed her in your description..damn..that was good

[otohara]

126. Dramatic Underground

She can't win fair and square, that part is true.

[Erin Elizabeth]

34. Coulda fooled me.

[NJSecularist]

11. What did you expect?

This kind of crap is inevitable. It will happen a ton in the general election if Obama is the nominee. Better buckle up your seat belts.

[GarbagemanLB]

14. So what days of the week are 'Hillary days' and what days of the week are 'Obama days', for you?

Is it like an every other day thing, or what?

[NJSecularist]

17. I'm now a Hillary supporter. Obama is unelectable. He is putting together a McGovern coalition. n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

86. Excuse me while I whip this out .....................

Sorry I don't buy it.

[Leopolds Ghost]

100. NJSecularist has already crossed over twice. Maybe he's one of those undecided voters.

:shrug:

[wndycty]

22. And when it happens in the general election, Republicans will point to Hillary and say. . .

. . .she doesn't have a problem with it, she stayed silent.

[SoCalDem]

12. Hillary is loving it and laughing her ass off..

:puke:

[libbygurl]

89. Yeah, 'cuz you have eyewitnesses for that libellous charge. Just your trusted word for it, hey?

'trusted':sarcasm: <-- just in case some don't get it.

[boston bean]

16. It's Baracks problem not Hillary's nt

[dana_b]

18. it is total b.s. and will effect him. some people will believe it, some will know it's crap.

The fact is, they're attacking him because they know that he's the person to beat. If it was Hillary, the ad would be directed towards her.

[mckeown1128]

20. No... Clinton supporters agree with Wright attacks on Obama...

Hillary legitamized the faux scandal with her "he wouldn't have been my paster" comment.

[psychmommy]

24. i went to the nc demo state party website.

i made a small donation and sent a note to the party chair. told him i am an obama supporter and i am appalled at the ncgop ad. i know everybody gave to obama last night but if you have anything in the piggy bank-let them know that we support him and them. 50 state strategy!!!!!

[McCamy Taylor]

25. Dems should be protesting. Also protesting Obama's efforts to blame Hillary.

I just heard KO and Rachel Maddow blame Hillary.

[GarbagemanLB]

30. Hillary should denounce the ad, don't you agree? McCain has already. Is McCain more honorable than

Hillary?

[seaglass]

60. You can't possibly believe that McCain did this other than to

help himself with Independents and disaffected Dems - can you? Seriously, the guy is not honorable and I am so SICK of seemingly reasonable people falling for his shit. This is how he WINS - do you get it?

[wndycty]

63. You are right, but since the press has asked Hillary for comment how does anyone defend her silence?

:kick:

[tbyg52]

26. Synopsis for a dialupper, please?

Thanks in advance - gotta go for tonight.

[Leopolds Ghost]

102. Hideous Obama ad in NC featuring a hectoring white woman vs. Rev. Wright

Just missing the white hoods. Reminiscent of the "white hands ad".

You'll see it on TV news, they'll talk about it and give it free air time.

Also an ad from the guy who did Willie Horton, saying Obama will set black
gangs loose in your neighborhood (presumably to rape yopur white wimmin')
showing a B/W photo of Obama standing in an alley, Willie Horton style.

[Olney Blue]

28. This ad is despicable.

:grr:

[cbayer]

29. i can't download it, but the description in the article will suffice.

It is clearly an objectionable ad and should be condemned.

It may have happened, but I have not seen a single Cinton supporter say that it is OK. The Clinton campaigns silence SO FAR is just that, silence. That does not imply consent. I would also like to see her campaign denounce the ad. I would also like to see the Obama camp not turn around and use her silence to beat up the candidate or her supporters.

[Erin Elizabeth]

32. Silence, however, implies consent.

And that's a problem.

[cbayer]

39. From your premise, then, we can assume that everytime Obama

did not vote or voted present he was consenting. I doubt you want to go there. I do not agree with your premise.

[madrchsod]

51. that`s her problem ..

she does`t care even if it were in her best interest to denounce the ad.

[EFerrari]

40. That's precisely what it implies. n/t

[cbayer]

43. But this one does not make me laugh.

So every time Obama did not vote or voted present, he was consenting? Silence can mean many things.

:still waving in a friendly manner:

[Erin Elizabeth]

31. She's probably applauding the fucked up shit the

GOP is doing in NC. It probably makes her giggle and feel very happy.

[SoCalDem]

91. I'll save this one the trouble of having to re-type the message

I'll share it with you..a kindred spirit .. :rofl:

libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #12

89. Yeah, 'cuz you have eyewitnesses for that libellous charge. Just your trusted word for it, hey?

'trusted' :sarcasm: <-- just in case some don't get it.

[libbygurl]

92. Yep! Thank you for cutting-n-pasting my comments.

Thanks for saving me the trouble!

[Jamastiene]

35. I'll have to think about that.

[libbygurl]

93. LOL! Now where have I heard that spoken before??? nt

[Jamastiene]

98. Hmm...

:evilgrin: :P

[DemGa]

42. It's Hillary's job to protect Obama from right-wing smear?

Seriously? After Obama and his campaign co-opted those very right-wing attacks against H. Clinton? Wow!

[marimour]

44. seriously?

obama is the one who uses republican tactics? Some people are seriously out of touch with reality now.

[DemGa]

46. Sure he did

Obama began his campaign running on Hillary's "negatives" created by right-wing attacks. This was one of his primary arguments for his own "electability."

And by using the effects of those attacks - and their continuation - for his gain, Obama created the nastiness we see today.

[wndycty]

45. No its Hillary's job to do the right thing, SHE TALKS ALL THIS SHIT about taking on the right wing

. . .but what she doesn't say is that only applies that when it is in her self interest. Right wing smears are completely acceptable when they are directed towards another Democrat.

[Leopolds Ghost]

103. Maybe the DNC should run a picture of that hectoring NC white woman superimposed against KKK hoods

And attack her patriotism and commitment to her religion.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

[Raine]

47. Hillary remains silent ... KO said she

was asked for a reply ... crickets ... chirp ... chirp. Why would she reply when they are doing the work for her and it saves her from doing the dirty work herself. Gee Hillary if they do it for you, they'll do it to you, duh.

[barack the house]

48. Yep let's donate to moveon who can respond more adequately as outside the system.

[madrchsod]

49. "If you don't say it's wrong then that says it right."

none of us are free ...

she could speak out but she refuses to see......

[Catherine Vincent]

50. Don't put this shit on Hillary!

[wndycty]

52. As they said tonight on Countdown she step up condemn and move on. . .

. . .the longer she remains silent the more this becomes her issue. Evidently the media asked the Clinton campaign for comment THIS MORNING and they have yet to get a comment. Her silence will become an issue. How hard is it for her to condemn the ad?

[Catherine Vincent]

55. Bullshit!

Of all the right wing attacks against her (and her husband, who was the President at the time), she never said anything about it. Didn't say a word. So why should she say anything about right wing attacks on her opponent if she didn't say anything back then?

This attack has nothing to do with Hillary. Let McCain/Obama and their campaign handle it.

[wndycty]

57. Here is the thing. . .

. . .we can drop it on DU but as evidenced tonight on Countdown if she stays silent it becomes and issue. This thread can get locked we can cease discussion but its too late its her issue weather we on DU say so or not.

[psychmommy]

59. Hillary is a dem

this ad not only attacked obama but 2 down ticket dems. whether you support obama-this party stuff. at some point you make a stand for your party or you become joe lieberman.

[wndycty]

61. EXACTLY! She talks all this SHIT about how she is the one to take on the RIGHT WING but. . .

. . .evidently she only acts in her self interest. Not what I want in a president.

[Neshanic]

67. Obama world logic. Bad things all Hillary. No republicans involved.

[ScarletSniper]

110. Why not, she's full of shit already...fits nicely

[PassingFair]

56. LOVED the comments:

"YES WE CAN, BITCHES, Yes We Can!"

[Independent-Voter]

62. The NC Democratic Party really needs to get their shit together.

And not just on this one issue. They're a fucking trainwreck when it comes to organization.

[yardwork]

64. This is a put-up job to allow McCain to look like a "good guy."

The Republicans in North Carolina, led by Jesse Helms, invented a particular form of really filthy nasty campaigning.

[wndycty]

66. And Hillary can look like a "good woman" by just denouncing the ad and moving on

:kick:

[yardwork]

70. Except that Hillary's already pushed Wright as an issue, so it's a little too late.

This is the sort of maliciousness at which the NC Republican Party really excels. They'll get a three-fer out of this. (1) They'll run the ad, which will hurt Obama and by extension all Democrats. (2) McCain is getting a lot of press for "strongly disagreeing" with the decision to run the ad, which makes him look like a "nice guy" while actually calling more attention to the ad itself, and (3) Hillary looks bad no matter what she says now. If she denounces the ad, the Republicans will yell "hypocrite" for her earlier statements, and they'll imply that the Democrats are trying to "hide the ad." If she ignores it, she looks like she's in collusion with the Republicans, which further divides the Democrats.

All this over a completely manufactured issue that has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama's policies or ability to lead the country.

I hate the Republicans.

[Neshanic]

65. Oh Noes! The repubs are not playing nice! What a freaking surprise.

[wndycty]

69. The question is will all Democrats (including those running for president), respond the way . . .

. . .Democrats should?

[Hugabear]

68. You kidding? Many Hillary supporters on this board would probably do far worse than that

That attack ad was nothing compared to the shit that's thrown at Obama here.

[SeaLyons]

71. Maybe

Obama needs HIS ass kicked for being associated with all these problems that the RW are going to bring up. What in the hell does Hillary have to do with Wright. Do you guys ever hold Obama responsible for anything????

Hillary supporters do not support the airing of such controversial issues. In fact, we are dismayed that the dem front runner has such STUPID baggage that can be used against him.

Don't worry, I'm sure he'll give a speech about how rude it is to play "gotcha" politics. He'll tell everyone they need to play nice. Everything will be fine for Obama.

[spanone]

73. it's now called 'swiftboating' and it's part of american politics....the land of the free & fucked

[wndycty]

74. A Democrats should stand up against swiftboating.

:kick:

[libbygurl]

95. Again, where were you and BO when all the sexist attacks were dumped on Hillary?

BO had better learn to deal with the GOP attacks right now - there's loads more to come in the GE IF he gets the nom. It only matters to you BO believers if BO is attacked, doesn't it?

[zabet]

75. Whaaaaaaaaaah!!!!

Save me Hillary!!!!! The mean ol' republicans are picking on me!!!!!!! Never mind I haven't come to your defense in the blatant sexism and media bias. SAVE ME!!!!!!!

:rofl:

EMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[amelia]

77. citizen jane - I love your reply. It gave me a laugh and I needed one. Very funny!

[wndycty]

80. Its not save me Hillary, its Hillary says she can take on the right wing. . .

. . .well take em on, or is it only when it is in her self interest.

[zabet]

82. Bwahahahaha!

Everything negative Obama has done is in his self-interest but, thats Okie Dokie with the Emocrats.

Usher in that Idiocracy!!!!!!! :rofl:

[libbygurl]

88. I want my Mommy!!! Help, me, Mommy!!! Whaaaa!

Dork BO is screwing up all by himself, and screwing it up for other Dems as well, and you O'babies now want Mommy to help him out - he's so weak not to deal with the RW attacks now? So how's he going to stand up to the BIGGER GOP smear machine in the GE?

[golddigger]

118. No shit, Obamababies shit on her, post vile RW talking points. Now they want her to come to his

rescue.They don't even realize how pathetic and stupid they sound.

What a bunch of MORANS!

[amelia]

76. This is a very small taste of what will happen in the GE, IF he might win

[mmonk]

78. Yep. They will go easy on Hillary.

:sarcasm:

[wndycty]

79. And with her silence Hillary endorses it

:kick:

[libbygurl]

94. By that logic then, where was BO when all the misogynistic attacks were afoot...

...against Hillary? Did you hear Hillary or Hillary supporters asking for anyone's help in countering those attacks?

Grow up, babies!

[BlackVelvet04]

81. Where is Hillary?

The same place Obama was when Randi Rhodes called her a fucking whore.

What a bunch of damn hypocrites you guys are.

[libbygurl]

97. Spot on, BV! nt

[golddigger]

119. Right on BV, what's so pathetic they don't even realize how stupid they sound.

[MethuenProgressive]

83. The OP is the biggest Hillary basher on DU - And now he demands her help?

Go chase a car.

[ronnykmarshall]

85. Isn't that ironic?

No it's just pathetic.

[ronnykmarshall]

84. Obama gets a splinter!!!

Where in the name of god isn't Hillary there with some tweezers??????

[golddigger]

114. Lmao...

:rofl:

[Catherine Vincent]

117. hahaha!!

:P

[troute19]

87. Maybe Barack Obama shouldn't have sat in his pew for 20 years

ever think of that?

no tears, whining, or outrage here

Barry made his bed, now sleep in it.

[Carrieyazel]

90. Its NC in the primary: doesn't matter. If this is done in PA in the general, though......

it will need to be countered.

[libbygurl]

96. Obaby, we know: EVERYTHING, even when BO screws up by himself, IS HILLARY'S FAULT!

Suck it up, deal with it. He's supposed to be a big boy, isn't he? Or is he really a baby who can't take the heat and must get out of the kitchen?

[MethuenProgressive]

101. Where the FUCK is Kennedy? Where the FUCK is Kerry? Where the FUCK is Richardson?

Silly OPer. Step 1: Hissyfit.

[golddigger]

120. Good question. After they anoited the ONE, they kind of disapeared into the wind.

The new JFK, RFK is nothing but a fraud.

[jonestonesusa]

125. Just reading along as a progressive voter...

it strikes me as ironic that Republican swiftboating gets such a series of laughing emoticons. I do agree with our HRC-leaning DUers that I wouldn't expect HRC to personally reject the ads, since it is a competitive nomination race with no love lost on either side. But beyond the sexist tone of your attacks against Obama and his supporters (they're such mama's boys, such girls) which I would think the HRC crowd would avoid, I hope you all recognize that this Republican attack is against all Democrats, local and national. One of the reasons for the New Right takeover of so many local offices, legislatures, and judgeships is the fact that liberal Democrats gave up the fight in the so-called Red states, with the Terry McAuliffe-era DNC basically giving up large sections of the country without competing on behalf of Democrats in those states. One reason why I'm supporting Obama is I think he has a better chance in making Red states into swing states, including North Carolina, where there are swing voters that might at this point support Democrats locally if not nationally.

So, while you have your chuckle, keep in mind that for the better part of 25 years (before Dean took over the DNC), Democrats in red and some swing states have been withering on the vine, and the party organization has not even gained a competitive foothold in territory such as North Carolina. Don't forget that Harvey Gantt, African American senatorial candidate against Jesse Helms, got swiftboated there as well, helping to keep the Republican senate majority a few years ago - and this could happen again to candidates this year. Due to Obama's appeal among a wide range of Democrats, he has raised funds and support and built organizations in some of the swing and red states, and locally that can make a difference for progressive values. I've seen this happen in Western Wisconsin, where liberal-minded people have energized themselves since 2000 and now we have taken over 3-4 state legislature seats formerly held by Republicans. Look at Montana and its movement towards the Democratic side, Colorado too - that's where standing up for your party, not just yourself, gets results. You show me where Hillary Clinton has this longer view in mind, the need to play as a team and get local parties energized as well as the national party, and I would be happy to see it. But the Democratic party strength in these settings took a big tumble under Bill Clinton from 1992 till the end of his term - it took a new team at the DNC and new energy by local activists to buck the tide.

Keep laughing, though, if you think all this funny.

[knixphan]

104. Hill camp responses are classic illustration of 'me' vs 'we'

which is why the supers are coming to the O-boat.

Ask Bill Richardson.

[ScarletSniper]

111. Bingo!!!

[ScarletSniper]

106. "Where the FUCK is Hillary?"

I know where she is..but I can't say, or I'll probably get banned. Suffice it to say, it ain't pretty..lmao.

[golddigger]

121. "Where the FUCK is Obama?" Crying in Rev. Wrights arms?Lmao.

The mean old RW is picking on me and Hillary won't help. As he and Wright do the bump and grind on the podium.

[ScarletSniper]

123. Hillary is much worse off..lmao.you don't want to know.as I said, I'd be banned..it's really bad..

[invictus]

107. Hillary depends on Republican talking points and probably money too. n/t

[jackson_dem]

108. lol Obamites always blame Hillary for Obama's problems

Obama had two decades of bad judgment. He has only himself to blame.

Why is this happening anyway? I thought Obama would "unite" us with the rethugs and we would all live happily ever after?

[ScarletSniper]

113. Actually, I blame Hillary and Bill for the problems of the world, not just Obamas' problems..lol..

[spotbird]

112. Hillary supports the effort. nt

[terrell9584]

116. they haven't won a gubernatorial race since 1988

and they don't do well at statewide races either, the only ones they seem to win are U.S. Senate. They see an opening and they're taking it.

That being said, I think GOP strategy will be something like this. Surrogates play bad cop, McCain denounces, the message still gets out to who it needs to, and McCain looks like a swell guy who just has nasty supporters.

[barack the house]

122. Yep we gotta send out DVDs of utube stuff to debunk the lies send out door2door in NC.