"People need to get past the 'race card thing'"

[CoffeeCat]

North Carolina Republican Party Chair, Linda Daves just said this to Nora O'Donnell, when O'Donnell
asked Daves if she was playing the race card with her Reverend Wright ad against Obama:

"I really encourage people to get past the race-card thing. That is an accusation that is frequently made by
people when they want to divert the discussion from the real issue at hand. And the issue is good judgment
and patriotism."

Daves went on to say, "This is about the people of North Carolina...and it's my job to point out the weaknesses of the Democratic
candidates in North Carolina."

:wow:

[mmonk]

1. Yes, goose steppers are patriots.

Lemmings as well.

[EFerrari]

2. This race has brought stupid out in droves.

lol

[ej510]

5. Some of the republicans have been working hard trying bring blacks back home.

My family use to be republicans then Nixon went after the racist vote and then blacks defected from the party.

[EFerrari]

6. Sure. And, they would be stupid themselves not to try it, right?

Democrats have a clear choice this year. I hope they make the right one.

[MADem]

3. CLASSIC Atwater. CLASSIC.

Didn't take long for that whole ad business to hit tee vee, did it? Where it will fester for DAYS, maybe even get some play on Timmy The Potatohead.

Now EVERYONE is gonna wanna see it.

CLASSIC Atwater.

And McCain, in gentlemanly fashion and in high-sounding tones, decries the whole sorry business. Tsk, tsk, bad, bad. Shake head, look saddened and sorry.

If anyone can't see the sheer brilliance of the GOP attack machine in this tiny (in the big picture) state GOP imbroglio, well, those blinders must be glued on. And those bastards aren't even warmed up yet.

This is like one of those teeny little pink tasting spoons ya get at Baskin Robbins. Come the general election, they'll be after the nominee with three scoops and a double fudge sundae.

[redqueen]

15. The important distinction that I think you're missing...

is that in the GOP, the candidates rarely get down in the mud themselves. They usually (intelligently) let that fall to others, and stay above the fray.

Sadly, Hillary's campaign seems not to have caught on to that tactic... which is why her lead shrank from 25 to 9 points.

[MADem]

20. That's a very neat little assertion, but it is entirely untrue.

The GOP candidates FREQUENTLY get down in the mud themselves--they did this last time, only they were so bland and boring, no one noticed.

You have to follow both sides of the race to see these things. But then, you were too busy trying to fit in a little dig at Senator Clinton there to bother being factual, I suppose.

Examples (and there are DOZENS more where these came from):

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1024544220080111
Romney attacks McCain at Republican debate

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/channel-08/2007/12/new_spots_from_thompson_giulia.html
Romney Ads Attack McCain, Huckabee

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/channel-08/2008/01/romneys_chairs.html
Giuliani Attacks Romney; Romney Attacks McCain

http://www.lewrockwell.com/hornberger/hornberger128.html
Giuliani’s Attack on Ron Paul Falls Flat

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/23/thompson-takes-on-giuliani-over-guns/
Thompson Takes On Giuliani Over Guns

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/10/thompson-ads-at.html
Thompson Ads attack Romney, Giuliani

http://www.eyeon08.com/2007/05/31/romney-attacks-thompson-on-immigration/
Romney attacks Thompson on campaign finance

You see, your thesis is entirely unsuupported by the evidence.

:hi:

[redqueen]

21. Campaign finance? Guns? Those are issues.

Were they lying? Implying guilt by association?

If not, it doesn't compare.

[MADem]

23. Oh, so now you don't like what they were attacking each other over...

:eyes:

I didn't notice any blacks or females on the GOP debate stages, unless they were pushing cameras or asking questions. So there's none of that sexism/racism carpet bombing happening on that side of the fence.

I'd say the ripping into Rudy's personal life by all comers was pretty "down in the weeds" and not entirely "issue" related. Same with "Lazy" Fred Thompson and his too-young bride, and the digs at Popeye for his age and his closet "librul-nezz."

Of course the two primaries aren't going to "compare." They're different parties.

The fact remains, your thesis was unsupported.

:hi:

[redqueen]

24. What?

Why are you trying to make this about me?

When you say "Atwater", that implies you're not talking about slamming a candidate on issues.

As for their getting down in the mud re: personal life, age, etc. - I didn't read the links so I didn't see that the candiates were saying all that - so point taken. However I still think the more successful candidates in the GE haven't done that... they let their surrogates do the dirty work.

[MADem]

25. Again, your thesis is unsupported. They don't farm out their dirty work all the time.

You were drawing a comparison between their primary and ours, and you insisted that they don't go on the attack. They DO.

Just like we do.

It is how primaries work.

If Obama can't take a little back-n-forth attacking at the primary level, he will never be able to withstand the "Atwatering" at the general level. He'll spend all his time refuting, or staying above the fray, or trying to explain himself. OR, ignoring--and that doesn't work, either. And no matter how many surrogates attack FOR McCain, and no matter how many surrogates defend on behalf of Obama (if he wins the general), that dynamic IS going to play into the race. The tougher the candidates are, the better they'll do. A mollycoddled candidate who can't take a hit in the primaries will be eaten alive in the general.

I'm not making this all about you, but you keep insisting that the GOP does it differently--and that isn't true. They do it just like us, only whiter and maler.

[redqueen]

26. The winners do?

Did McCain get down in the gutter too?

Sorry... when you said that about what I like, I found that to be irrelevant... that's what I meant by making it about me.

[MADem]

27. Sure he did--with his own homies.

He called Romney a serial flipflopper that voters can't trust--getting him on character AND talent--in a single brilliantly vicious little mailer. McCain can get rough, too--but then, not enough people on our team paid attention to the GOP contest, so they didn't see it. Just as most people don't pay attention to the "inside baseball" bullshit people whine about here.


Romney should have CRUISED to victory in NH--after all, he owns a multimillion dollar lake home in that state, and spent more time up there than he did in MA when he was governor. Seriously. It was his to lose. He also spent money like a drunken sailor. And McCain, the real drunken sailor, with way less money and organization, wiped the floor with the guy by playing low-budget rough with a big fat smile pasted on his face.


I cite, because I don't make shit up: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071218/NEWS08/78615490

CONCORD – Republican hopeful Sen. John McCain, of Arizona, launched an attack – a direct mail campaign labeling New Hampshire primary front-runner Mitt Romney as a serial flip-flopper that "voters can't trust.''...The two-page flier cites a May 2007 article in the Tampa Tribune, which states Romney had once supported allowing illegal immigrants to "apply for citizenship and permanent residency''

It then refers to Romney's decision to re-hire a firm after it had been found to have used illegal immigrants to work on his Belmont, Mass., home.

"Like so many times before, Mitt Romney advocated totally inconsistent, policy positions,''..."That's why voters don't trust Mitt Romney.

"No wonder why Mitt Romney is trying to cover up his own mixed-up record by smearing straight-talking John McCain.''

It concludes with a picture of Romney holding up the fingers of his hand.

"How many times has Mitt Romney flip-flopped?'' the mailing asks. "Immigration, taxes, gay rights, abortion, campaign finance reform.''....."Obviously when John McCain is attacked with un-truths, we are going to set the record straight,'' Dennehy told The Telegraph.

"He's never been for amnesty. That's the bottom line.'' The mailing also criticized the views of ex-New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson on immigration. ...

[redqueen]

28. Attacking him for flip flopping isn't Atwateresque... it's not gutter politics. (nt)

[BlooInBloo]

4. It's what white folks say to enforce the nothing-is-racist blockade.

[EFerrari]

7. Nothing is racist except the racism card.

I swear, it's like being on a junior high playground.

[BlooInBloo]

8. Well, yah - except for that.

[ej510]

10. Alot of white people in this country like blacks as long as we entertain them but the moment we want

run a state or run for the white house the inner racist comes out of these people. But it rears it's ugly head in sports to. You here these terms for the black quarterback. He's a great athlete with god given gifts. The white quarterback. He's the brains, the intelligence, he's a great leader, he's a hard worker.

[BlooInBloo]

12. Yup. Zirin is excellent on that aspect. It carries thru to people hating athletes' salaries...

... While you never hear a peep about the money the owners make. Somehow people manage to criticize the black millionaires while the white billionaires are ok. Funny how that works - it even trumps union support.

[Catherina]

9. The Nazis tried the same excuse. It didn't work for them either. n/t

[Binka]

11. Hi Girl!

We did fine last night, but you know what the fascists are doing, clouding the well, spreading the propaganda. It won't work. This ad in NC is gonna blow some shit wide open.:hi::hug:

[Catherina]

17. I can't wait to see the NC Ad

:hi: :hug:

What filth. As bad as we both knew she was, as angry as we are about the war, did you ever think she'd be this ugly? I hope Axelrod makes it one swift blow.

[Binka]

18. Last Night As The Talking AssClowns Were Sputtering Predictions

"Will Axelrod stay positive?" "Will Axelrod play dirty?" I screamed at my TV "smash her in the solar plexus and drive the stake David." I scared Peyton.... AND her Polly Pocket dolls!

It is time to get mean. A "win" of 9 points was NOTHING in PA; he cut that from 28 last year, he has her on the ropes, Jesus she was talking about MONEY in her GD victory speech, go in for the KILL.

[Catherina]

19. There's nothing dirty about it. Axelrod will be honest.

I heard parts of her speech last night and laughed so hard. There she was wearing her 300th pair of diamond earrings and money-grubbing. The picture was complete.

[AspenRose]

13. Um...

"it's my job to point out the weaknesses of the Democratic candidates in North Carolina."

Does this mean they're planning an ad against HRC too? Or just Obama?

(that's rhetorical)

:think:

[redqueen]

16. Heheheh...

[ErinBerin84]

14. ok.

Do they really want a video of the Religious Rights' "greatest hits", and the politicians that pander to them, out? really?

Oh right, even if that were ever to come out, it wouldn't matter, because the media allows Republicans to shit all over the country with their double standards.

[wowimthere]

22. Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!