About that 25% of Democrats in PA who say they'll vote for McCain if Clinton isn't the nominee.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

Raise your hand if you suspect most of them would be voting for him in November regardless.

*OP raises hand*

[Fresh_Start]

1. I know democrats who won't vote for either of our candidates

maybe its the candidates and not the democrats which are the problem

[DrDan]

4. perhaps the growing elitness of the party plays a role

as a resident of Florida - I have no intention of voting for either candidate. I will be voting for a Democrat - one of my choice. The party cares nothing about my voice - so why should I feel any need to reciprocate.

[Fresh_Start]

6. I too am frustrated with a party who cannot understand

pragmatism.

We need to win this election.
We didn't need a historic election.
We didn't need to fracture the party.

[stillcool]

15. I'm sure there was no doubt...

when this all began who would be the winner. A funny thing happened on the way to the nomination.

[DrDan]

38. Exactly. Well said. n/t

[glowing]

9. FL is going to lose to R...

[DrDan]

39. and the party can blame itself for that.

They have decided that the voters in Florida can be cast aside. The voters in Florida fully recognize that. The voters in Florida will respond accordingly.

[cali]

17. Why? Because it's not about the party caring about you

it's you caring- or not caring- about such things as the SC. Justice Stevens is 88 years old. Ruth Bader Ginsberg is 75 and frail. McCain absolutely would appoint "strict contstructionists". And it's not just the SC. It's the entire federal bench and other issues.

[DrDan]

35. why has the party decided there are two levels of Democratic voters

those they listen to and those they don't?

Do they just assume I shall remain loyal to their candidate? I will vote for a D, just one of my choice.

[glowing]

5. ditto.

[Fresh_Start]

13. I cannot say what I think of the supporters of HRC or BHO

who disparage loyal democratic voters because they are not embracing their candidate of choice.

We all were disgusted with the bloc voting of the Bush supporters. Now we think the right thing is to become bloc voters?

Politics contaminated everyone it touches...not just the politicians but the partisans as well.

[dmallind]

8. Really?

Which plank of the party platform do either of the candidates strongly diverge from? Are you sure it's not those who would witbhold their votes who are outside the party mainstream instead?

[Fresh_Start]

19. I think they want real experience

and not just novelty.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

11. And I know registered Democrats

Who haven't voted for the Dem presidential candidate in decades.

[Fresh_Start]

20. Can't say that I know those.....

But I do know Republicans in name only.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

29. Lots of them in red states, and in the red areas of states like PA.

They're Republican but haven't switched their registration. It's a pain in the ass for GOTV because you end up wasting phone banking and canvassing resources on people who aren't going to vote our way.

[stillcool]

12. What kind of democrats are those?

who do you speak for?

[livetohike]

26. Not much difference between the two (Clinton and McCain)

anyway. When I voted for Bill in 1992, I knew he was a centrist and so is McCain in most regards.

Kucinich was my candidate and Hillary is at the far end of the spectrum when you consider that. Oh well.

[ingac70]

2. The were there 'cause Rush told them to anyway. n/t

[Cant trust em]

3. That's how I feel

Wait until it's Obama or Clinton vs. McCain. Then they'll see what they're really up against.

[kwenu]

7. I think I know more Repubs who will vote for Obama than that group.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. I agree. That's why I'm not worried about the 25% I referred to in my OP. nt

[EFerrari]

10. My mom says that but if she votes for McCain, I'll eat my cello. n/t

[DJ13]

16. As I heard earlier today, any poll like that taken on election day isnt reliable

People took the time to vote for their candidate, asking them if they will support the other candidate under that circumstance wont lead to an accurate result.

[MonkeyFunk]

18. Where's that fact from?

According to the exit polls at CNN, 10% of Dem voters said they'll vote for McCain in Nov. Of that 10%, 70% voted for Obama yesterday.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#PADEM

[ej510]

21. I agree. Some Hillary supporters will support McCain.

That's fine but some Obama supporters like myself will remember that shit.

[knixphan]

23. ditto!

[MonkeyFunk]

28. well

according to the data I linked to, more Obama supporters will vote for McCain in November than clinton supporters.

[azmouse]

22. I read this in the AZ Republic newspaper.

A stunning 25 percent of Clinton supporters in Pennsylvania insisted to one pollster that they would not back Obama in November should he be the candidate.

[gkhouston]

24. that was from an exit poll mentioned last night on MSNBC.

Since Nora O' Donnell was the person breathlessly telling us all about it, I took the information for what it was worth.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

33. I should have said 25% of Clinton supporters.

This wasn't from the exit polls. It's from polling done in the past few weeks.

One in four (26%) Clinton supporters say they would vote for McCain in a general election if Obama were the Democratic nominee.
Significantly fewer Obama supporters (16%) say they would defect to McCain if Clinton wins the Democratic nomination

http://www.srbi.com/time_poll.html

[Milo_Bloom]

25. Most will be voting for Obama...

This happens in EVERY primary season. The underdog's supporters swear they will not vote for the winner if they win.

[Mags]

31. you are very wrong, I promise you the most of the women

supporters who have put up with the crap from BO & his supporters will not forgive or forget and will never vote for him

[Milo_Bloom]

37. No, actually I am 100% correct.

And you can prove it with just a little memory.

In 2000 polls showed bradley supporters wouldn't vote for Gore.

In 2004 polls showed Dean supporters wouldn't vote for Kerry.

In 2000 polls showed McCain supporters wouldn't vote for Bush.

WHENEVER there is any type of contentious primary battle the losers supporters swear they won't vote for the winner, but it has and will be mostly hot air.

A few won't, but hardly a significant number.

[Mags]

43. wait and see.

[Milo_Bloom]

45. I don't need to wait and see when I know the result.

90% of these people are lying, just like every single time before.

Just like Michael Moore vowed he would never support a war voter and then campaigned for John Kerry.

[Mags]

46. don't hold your breath. Your BO supporters are in for the shock of your life.

[Milo_Bloom]

47. Where have I heard that before?

Was it 2004? Or 2000 or 1992 or maybe 1988 or 1984.. maybe even 1980.


Go sell silly somewhere else.

90% of you will vote for Obama, the other 10% will remain bitter and 100% of us won't give a damn.

[Mags]

48. oh well, I have tried all I can to warn you. Take care .

[Milo_Bloom]

50. Your warning has been filed under silly where it belongs.

Good luck with the bitterness.

[Mags]

51. I'm am far from bitter, I am so up today, excited about Hillary's and her

win. Women are so strongly behind her and it makes me so proud to be included in her campaign. Thanks for the thought though.

[Milo_Bloom]

52. Noooo, not bitter at all.

Just coming with warnings of doom and gloom for the democratic nominee... claiming that the supporters of the losing candidate would rather vote republican.... nahhh, who would call you bitter.


The fact that 90% of you are just blowing smoke is a completely seperate thing.

You do realize her campaign actually ended last night, right? Nah, you are so filled with bitter free glee you didn't stop to do the math.

[Mags]

53. what ever makes you feel good about you, that's ok with me.

just say it. I'm like Hillary, tough.

[Milo_Bloom]

55. Yes, you are a lot like Hilary.

You act bitter, then claim you are not.

[Mags]

56. thank you sooooooooo much. Nicest compliment I have ever receive.

God Bless you.

[Milo_Bloom]

57. You have a lot in common with Clinton.

You have no path to the democratic nomination.
You will most likely vote for Obama in the general election.

The list goes on and on.

[Mags]

59. and you my dear, are living in na na land.

[Milo_Bloom]

62. Just the land of math and facts.

You will join us here sometime soon.

[Mags]

63. bye, bye

[Beacool]

27. Nope, they won't.

You obviously weren't knocking on doors for weeks and heard what some of these people had to say about Obama. Hint, same questions that you all criticized the ABC guys for asking Obama are the same questions people had on the street, add to that the people who actually think that he's Muslim.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

36. I went to NV twice and TX to canvass for Obama

Not to mention untold hours canvassing here in AZ. I heard all the questions. Funny how that Muslim/Pledge email made its way into thousands of emails just before primaries, isn't it?

And don't you just seem pleased-as-punch that people think all those ridiculous things about Obama, and that ABC gave them credibility. I'm sure you were just tickled when your candidate helped them out by bringing up Farrakhan.

Oh, but, wait....I know...You're just concerned. :eyes: :puke:

[TahitiNut]

30. Yup

:hi:

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the counties voting greater than the statewide spread for Clinton are a lock for McCain in November.

[thereismore]

32. Well, you know, McCain is white. I am no longer shy about saying this: some

Clinton fans are fanatical about her because they are racists. When I posted something to this effect after TX, my post got deleted. Whatever. I am sick of these people who just can't vote for a black man, but will give you a thousand other reasons for it. Racism is apparently a stronger force than sexism in some counties.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

40. I agree 100%. Those dead-enders need to go join the GOP.

I do a lot of volunteering, for both Obama and local politics. I can't tell you how sick I am of knocking on a door and finding out the person is a bigoted DINO. Just yesterday, we were told by volunteers circulating ballot petitions for an A/A candidate that several registered Democrats refused to sign it when they saw his picture. We need to stop wasting resources on these idiots and attract new voters and progressive-minded independents to join us. I wish we could revoke registrations on the spot when someone reveals themselves to be a backwards asshole.

[Zachstar]

34. Well some of them will come around

[invictus]

41. A larger percentage of Republicans and the majority of independents would vote for Obama. n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

42. I think so too. That's why I don't worry about it and neither should anyone else.

These are DINO dead-enders.

[RoadRage]

44. The issue to me is "How" they got to be the Dem. Candidate...

I don't understand Clinton supporters who say they won't vote for Obama. He will have the most popular vote & most unpledged delegates.

However, if Clinton were to win just because she convinced Super-D's to over ride the will of teh voters - then yes, I have a HUGE problem with that.. and I will be one of those who won't be voting for her. If it was possible for her to overtake Obama, as much as I dispise her tactics, I'd vote for her in November. But, that's not the way she will get there - the only way she will win is to "cheat".. and I won't support that. To me, that's worse then McCain.

[Eurobabe]

49. Idle fucking threats, they were McCain supporters to begin with.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

54. Ding ding ding! You got it.

I bet they haven't voted for a Dem in a general election since the 70s.

[suston96]

58. 25% plus 19% who said they will stay home and not vote at all...That's scary..but..

...I don't believe all will do as they said. Then again, judging from the hate spewing blogs, including this one, who knows? The hate can be that deep. And it runs both ways. I hope not.

[JVS]

60. Oooh oooh Mr. Kotter!

*raises hand*

[Hepburn]

61. Hand is raised....

...these people are NOT real Dems ~~ especially the ones who voted for Hillary.