The thing I love about the Clintons...

[MonkeyFunk]

is that they win.

They fucking win.

When everybody counts them out, they win. When they're considered has-beens, they win. They just don't stop fucking winning. And boy, that pisses people off.

And I love that about them, too. They piss off all the right people.

I don't predict that Clinton will get the nomination. But I believe she will. Because they just fucking WIN!

[datopbanana]

1. ??? Shes won 14 of 44

That would be good if she was playing baseball???

[ElsewheresDaughter]

42. 14 of 44 what?

[WillyToad]

47. On a red/ blue map of the country, most of the map is red...

because most states are empty.

Do the math.

[DerekJ]

2. Goodness: She was expected to WIN PA BIG.

No one was counting her out. BUT SHE LOST THE PRIMARIES. GAME OVER.

10 Delegates and 200K votes means he is still ahead by 160 delegates, and 500 + K votes.

And guess what the next big state is: NC.

He'll get them back again.

[MonkeyFunk]

5. Don't be upset if she wins the nomination

it's what she does.

[DerekJ]

10. Not going to happen. SHE LOST. LOOOOSSSTT

[MonkeyFunk]

11. She very well might

but I wouldn't bet against her.

[JTFrog]

17. Those that actually put their money up disagree with you wholeheartedly.

You could make a nice chunk of change if she's the winner you claim she is.

http://www.intrade.com//?request_operation=main&request_type=action&checkHomePage=true

Barack Obama to be Democratic Presidential Nominee in 2008

Last Price: 81.4
What does this mean?

81.4 means the market predicts there is a 81.4%
chance that this event happens.

If you think it is more likely than this you should buy.
If you think it is less likely you should sell.


All markets trade between 0 ($0.0) and 100 ($10).

81.4 = $8.14

I think Hillary's Last Price was 16 or 17.

:)

[WillyToad]

49. If I recall, you predicted her doom in New Hampshire...

I believe you posted the EXACT SAME LINE then, if I do recall...

[golddigger]

119. It's okay. calm down. Take a couple of Xanax and wash it down with koolaid.

and maybe you won't LOOOOOSSSEE IT.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. No Problem. And if she doesn't, I guess you were wrong. Won't be the first time.

[goletian]

19. no chance in hell. if she steals it by disenfranchising america

dont be upset when mccain becomes president, and you become an outcast among democrats.

[MyNameGoesHere]

66. I make the decision to be a Democrat or not. NOT YOU or the party.

I AM A DEMOCRAT PARTY MEMBER and it is not the fuck up to you or them to cast me out. How fucking dare you?

[goletian]

84. outcasted, i say! - nt

[JeanGrey]

81. We won't be. You might be, though. :-)

[BlueCaliDem]

104. I don't think I'll be upset. I'll just write-in Obama's name then leave the Democratic Party...

...to become an Independent and I'm taking 14 other Democrats in my group with me. We've decided this months ago.

Should Hillary win it won't be she, but McCain who will be president.

The Clintons will be annihilated by the GOP right-wing regarding the pending suit in California because of felonious tactics back in 2000.

The California supreme court is ready to set a trial date any day now.
http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/what_hillary_clinton_and_the_media_are_hiding_from_the_voters/

The right-wing blogosphere is all fired about this "little known factoid". The media is curiously silent about it. Ever wonder why?

Hillary will be blown out of the water by the GOP/Fascist right-wing machine with OODLES of help by the American Propaganda-Press and Broadcast and McInsane will be the 44th President.

Then again, at least I can say, I never cast my vote for a warmongering DINO Dem who uses right-wing tactics against fellow Dems.

[merh]

110. I fear you are correct

the "powers" have lulled her into a false sense of self and entitlement, she won't be prepared for what will hit her by the 527s and the media, McCain can stay above it (not by choice, just he is too stupid to get it) and the effects will still be felt - folks don't like her, they don't want the co-presidency that she offers and there is dirt that has yet to come out or that has been ignored. Watch mccain's VP choice, that is who they want to rule, ermm, I mean they want to hold the office.

[rg302200]

130. Amen......n/t

[krkaufman]

131. Putting aside any new attacks against Clinton ...

.... she would have had a hard time winning in November if she had cleanly won the nomination, say back on Super Tuesday, but the methods she's used to this point, and the fact that her only path to the nomination is the superdelegates stealing the nomination for her, she's going to have an even harder time. Her only chance will be a McCain implosion, maybe if he physically assaults her at a debate.

[McCamy Taylor]

18. But Obama spent what 100 million to her 30 million? How much has he paid for those 150 delegates?

[goletian]

20. obamas got money, worth every penny to close the gap between him

and hillary CLINTON. her last name is the only reason shes still in it. without that name recognition, obama could beat her as broke as she is, lol.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

21. He spent more than she did because he raised more than she did.

McCain is raising less than both of them, and if he loses the GE to one of them, you can't tell me that "But she/he outspent him!" is going to be accepted around DU as a valid point.

[suziedemocrat]

34. Good Point.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

111. When's your Queen going to pay the creditors she owes? nt

[DemVet]

43. But he won't get to 2025

Hillary is going to kick his ass at the convention.

[oasis]

3. Winning is what they do. There are not enough Clinton haters in the world to

stop them. :woohoo:

[midnight]

23. I don't understand all the hate... I believe there has been enough

posting here to show that the voting difference between both candidates is slight.

[oasis]

112. I suspect that at least half of the Hillary haters here aren't even Democrats. If that's any

help to you.

[cali]

4. lol. she's still losing, genius.

even with her kitchen sink approach, and she's stone broke. better send her some bucks.

[MonkeyFunk]

7. She won today, genius

despite being terribly outspent.

I don't predict she'll win - but I won't be a bit surprised when she does.

[cali]

22. she won in PA but not by enough,

dearie. And she won, in part, as the NYT says, by degrading the process and running an almost completely negative race, in a state with excellent demographics. I predicted a 12 pt loss for Obama in PA. In NC, I predict a 20 pt win. Madame Obliterate is still screwed.

[EffieBlack]

30. how much you wanna bet

that if Obama wins big in NC, the "anybody but Obama" crowd will dismiss it as meaningless because "it's his demographic" and "he was expected to win anyway?"

[InfiniteNether]

38. That's exactly what they will say. Oh, and NC is a small state, so it doesn't matter.

[DemVet]

44. That's true, though.

[EffieBlack]

48. That's true for Pennsylvania, also, but they're treating her like "the Comeback Kid"

for winning a state that she was supposed to win anyway - and by a much smaller margin than originally predicted.

[rug]

67. Wasn't that said about Clinton in Pennsylvania?

[JeanGrey]

The Clinton's will probably say "Its a black state"

[sandnsea]

6. She's lost everything

She lost Iowa. She tied NH. She lost NV. She lost SC. She lost Jan. She lost Super Tuesday. She lost February. She lost March. She's lost more states, more delegates, and is still behind in the popular vote.

SHE LOST.

Again, I just gotta say, I hope she pays well.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

8. That's what I dislike about her.

She would do *anything* to win. I understand that's politics, but it still makes the bile rise. It's *why* they win, but it's a trait that I've always hated. I avoid people like that in my life whenever possible. I know it's a must for politicians and I know Obama isn't innocent in this regard either. However, I sincerely don't believe he would still be in the race if the tables were turned. On the plus side, should she secure the nomination, I am sure she won't let the GE slip away easily.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. They'll all do anything to win

the Clintons are just better at it than most.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

15. No, I don't think all other candidates in her spot would still be in this.

She knows she can't win in pledged delegates and her hopes lie in getting the SDs to choose her. This is within the rules but it's a bold strategy. I don't know that other candidates would be willing to risk the party infighting that would ensue.

[NJSecularist]

9. The Clintons have 9 political lives.

Never count out the Clintons. They have an almost surreal ability to rise back up from the dead. They take a punch and get up stronger than ever.

If Hillary comes back to win the nomination, it'll be the best comeback story since Nixon (and her husband, of course).

[SemiCharmedQuark]

13. I think that is worth repeating over and over again .

"Never count out the Clintons".

[Justitia]

16. Yeah, that whole Impeachment thing was a HUGE win for the Party! And then we WON Congress too!

Oh wait.....

[suziedemocrat]

36. Impeachment? How on earth was that the Clinton;s fault?

It was an expensive exercise in futility. And, he stayed in office.

This is the same argument the Republicans give for hating the Clintons.

[gal]

41. It's called Lieing...

[bigtree]

72. It's called prosecutorial abuse by Starr in conflating the Jones case with his Whitewater probe

. . . after he'd uncovered nothing more than a failed land deal.

I didn't want to know about Clinton's sex life. I don't think Larry Klayman and his Nazi-inspired Judicial Watch had any business at all in asking Clinton about his relationship with Lewinsky. I approve of his lie. It's NONE of our business.

[ScarletSniper]

74. We can't dance around it. Billy lied and got caught. There's a video tape too.

[bigtree]

75. so what. who was hurt? I'm more interested in the attempted theft of my vote

. . . in the republican attempt to impeach him over the petty lie.

[ScarletSniper]

80. don't be offended your choice, the man still lied..if he lied about one thing, he'll lie about more.

In fact, he got caught in another lie yesterday, which only reinforces my opinion of him as a liar!! If he didn't lie, there'd be no grounds for impeachment..and he was, it wasn't an attempt...nice spin.

You like Bill, that's your choice, I don't. My choice. See how that works. You can praise him and I can do just the opposite. Ain't America grand!!!

[golddigger]

121. Only Right Wingers are hung up on the CLENIS....Hmmm!

[JeanGrey]

83. How was impeachment not their fault? Are you kidding?

[susankh4]

24. I am on your wavelength!

Hillary will take this thing all the way because.....

"Failure is Impossible."

[still_one]

25. She had a 25 point lead cut to a 10 point victory. She was supposed to have

wrapped up the nomination by now. She was the "party" favorite

Obama was even supposed to be close

and what does Clinton have to show for it?

She is still behind in the delegate and popular vote count, and broke

What a victory

However I will give it to your candidate that she is a fighter

[avrdream]

26. I'm still with you Monk!

And Pennsylvania was definitely a WIN, no matter how it gets spun.

[bowens43]

27. yes, they cheat , they lie, they steal....

if you call that winning , you and I have different ideas about what winning is.

[Usrename]

28. Except when they lose.

I know, you'd rather stay in your dreamworld.

[d00mzday]

29. Last time I checked

Last time I checked, Obama has been winning and Fuckin winning more than the Clintons ;)

[OzarkDem]

31. and they care about our country

and what happens to all of us.

[TheZug]

33. Putin really cares about his country too.

[suziedemocrat]

32. I used to hate her. Now I really like her. She sounds more "real" lately.

She used to be so phony. Now she seems so down to business and I really like that.

To me, Obama seems more and more like a whiner. And his speeches are too broad for my taste. To me, he is not specific enough.

[TheZug]

35. Sounds more "real," as opposed to actually real.

[d00mzday]

37. More real?

She is more real lately? In a matter of a couple of days, weeks? Bin-Laden "seems" to love america because he hasn't attacked it lately ?

[RBInMaine]

39. She was SUPPOSED to "win" what she has "won". Hello ! Take DEMOGRAPHICS 101.

[MethuenProgressive]

40. K&R!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Armstead]

45. "She Pisses off all the right people" eh? Perhaps you should change your avatar to Rush

Yes those liberals and progressives and African Americans and others who don't believe that there should be 32 years of rule by two families.

[durrrty libby]

46. I Love it

:party: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

[rodeodance]

50. morning MF--tis a great day

[Bonobo]

51. Yup, pricks usually win.

But weasels don't.

[QC]

58. Ah, Mr. Civility is raising the tone again! n/t

[golddigger]

122. Talking from experience?

[nichomachus]

52. Then you must be just wild for Karl Rove and Bush

Because they've been winning for a long time -- I guess that's a reason to love them, according to your calculation -- as long as you don't mind what they have to do to win.

[Jamastiene]

53. K & R

:kick:

[blm]

54. Easy to do when BushInc is working with you. Except now they HAVE NO MATH TO WIN.

And they've pissed off the Open Government Democrats for YEARS - you know, the part of the Democratic party that you think are the right people to piss off.

Your wing of the party wants BushInc protected into the next decade and you don't care how many lies Clintons' put up to make sure that happens.

[rodeodance]

116. and is obama have the math for the magic number?????????

[bigtree]

55. the pissing people off bit is my favorite, I admit

and, I genuinely like and admire the Clintons.

[Armstead]

56. Yes -- pissing people off is great politics -- and even better for governing

That's why GW Bush has been such a great president.

[bigtree]

57. you seem pissed

[Armstead]

61. I've been pissed for years by the Clintons

So I'm not a very good barometer.

Their aggressive support for NAFTA and the whole GOP "free trade" thing, ya know..Plus their bungling of healthcare reform, deregulation of the media, privitization of public services...and their ongoing marital and financial soap opera....Oh yeah, and that little matter of helping Bush push for the Iraq War.

So she didn't have to do much work to keep me pissed off. But she's been working hard to alienate all of us "elitists" who don't agree with their conservativism. :)

[bigtree]

64. *slurp*

ahh

[Marie26]

59. That's a big reason for her support, too.

Clinton is the ONLY Democrat who has won the Presidency in the past thirty years. And he had a knock-down, drag-out primary battle as well. But he won. And people know that, & they believe that Hillary Clinton has the same tenacity and determination to get a victory for Democrats.

[ShortnFiery]

60. The thing I detest about the Clintons is that they CHEAT and form UNHOLY ALLIANCES ...

because with The Clintons, it's not about America or The Democratic Party in general ... with The Clintons it's PURELY about THEM. I loathe cheaters. Yes, I despise low life, crotch kickers, whether it be in "cage matches" or "politics" - IMO The USA deserves FIGHTERS (Representatives) with INTEGRITY who play by the rules.

In other words, "Clintonian Integrity" is, IMO, a contradiction in terms.

Wake up America! This isn't a Vince Lombardi hype for ratings - this is the race for the very heart and soul of our Democratic Republic.

[dionysus]

68. don't bother, you can't argue with these sellouts....

the clintons have embraced the RW tactics they cried about for so long and their supporters couldn't care less :(

[AtomicKitten]

70. Chuck Todd: "It is now impossible for Obama to lose his lead."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x122816

[displacedtexan]

62. When people say Clinton will do anything to win...

I say, "Good." I want a Democrat who'll fight tooth and nail to destroy the Repuke choke hold on the country.

We're not going to get rid of the horrible R's with a "hands across the aisles" message.

[Evergreen Emerald]

63. She is ahead in the popular vote! The people want her.

[ScarletSniper]

76. lmao...delusional crack smoking dreams

[dionysus]

65. fuckety fuckety shit fuck poo?

YEARGHHHHH!!!

the clintons look out for themselves!! WOOOOOOO!

(psst she's still losing)

:rofl:

[ProSense]

69. The thing I love about Obama...

he's winning.


Hillary can't!

[SeaLyons]

71. Hillary Wins....

she wins the states needed to win the White House. No matter how you bend it, Obama cannot win the White House if he can't win the big swing states. He has not done it.

Hillary wins!!!! She fights, she keeps going, she doesn't give up, she's tough, she's a winner!!!

Go Hillary!!

[ScarletSniper]

73. She won't win..and if it is given to her..the Dems will lose. The sooner the Clintons disappear the

better.

I'm sure Bill is missing his "comtupene," and Hillary hers...lmao

[Texas Hill Country]

77. LOL, k&r

[JeanGrey]

78. Well, if wishes were horses we would all ride.

[my3boyz]

79. WHo counted them out in PA? LOL LOL LOL LOL nt

[Occam Bandage]

88. I think they're so used to blowing 20-point leads, when they saw she was up 20 in PA,

they thought, "oh, fuck, no chance."

[PBS Poll-435]

91. Umm...quite a few.

Did you take a vacation?

[redqueen]

93. Who?

A few people here?

Please.

[PBS Poll-435]

95. Against the rules to call people out...

But search for PPP and yesterday's Obama by 10 thread...

:-)

[redqueen]

96. Yeah, that's what I thought... a few people on a messageboard.

Reeeeeally meaningful, that.

She blew a 20 point lead... she was *never* counted out. :rofl:

[PBS Poll-435]

100. Uggghhh....

:hangover:

I thought you meant people on here....

On the teevee, Olbermann looked a little pissed at the results ... :rofl:

[redqueen]

102. I'm sure he was! 10%? After the way she's been acting?

Guess not everyone catches on as quickly as most. :P

[my3boyz]

94. You are full of it. Regardless of the poll every single news outlet

said she was favored there because she had the Rendell "machine" and the demographics in her favor.

[PBS Poll-435]

97. Full of what?

CNN people seemed a little surprised last night...

[redqueen]

98. News doesn't matter... it's what people on message boards say that matters!

:rofl:

[PBS Poll-435]

101. Umm...

I misunderstood...

:hangover:

[redqueen]

103. Ah c'mon...

I'm only givin ya a hard time.

:hug:

hehehehe... It's really MF who should be feeling sheepish, after attempting to portray her as having been "counted out"... *snort*

[PBS Poll-435]

106. Alright...

:hug:

It was a pretty good OP though for people on my side. :P

[durrrty libby]

123. Bambi can't close the deal. Thank God

[NC_Nurse]

82. What about when they lose?

It's really already happened. All over but the shouting.

[Nedsdag]

85. What do you mean, "counting them out."

SHE was the one with the 20 point lead.
SHE was the one with the so-called "home court advantage."
SHE was the one who was "inevitable."

You need to have your head examined, MF. I have the number of a psychiatrist I can give you.

[Stinky The Clown]

86. I don't see how she can win this time.

Unless she is successful in changing the rules.

She would have to win 70% of the all the delegates still available in order to win. That's highly unlikely, don't you think?

[Occam Bandage]

87. Except for the fact that, you know, she's losing.

[PBS Poll-435]

89. K&R - Exactly

Winning is the fucking best!

[Cali_Democrat]

90. The Clintons piss off all the right people?

All the Repuke commentators are celebrating this morning. The Republicans clearly want Hillary to win. They aren't pissing off the right people.

[Dr Fate]

108. She means it in the Joe Lieberman sense- she pisses off "the far left nut roots" and anti-war DEMS.

Pissing off "centrists" and right-wingers isnt the goal- Hillary people are still be under the vaugue illusion that the Obama Republicans are going to support Hillary-LOL!....

[redqueen]

92. Yeah... who cares if they're corrupt status quo liars...

they're WINNERS!

They WIN STUFF!

Accountability? Who needs it! All that matters is WINNING!


Do you really not see what that perverse mindset has done to the RW over the years?

Jesus.

[ecstatic]

99. That's what my friend said

I stay calm when dealing with my friends in real life who are still HRC supporters. She said, the same clips that make me turn away with disgust from Clinton are the same clips that make her love Clinton. She says Clinton is the better "politician" and knows how to fight. Obama is not a true politician: :eyes: Some people set the bar so low...

[Emillereid]

105. Is winning everything? What do we win - a candidate or president who would

obliterate millions of people? If that's the prize - I'll take losing.

[Dr Fate]

107. Lieberman and Bush "win" a lot too.

I'm sure they piss off all the right people as well.

BTW-2000, 2002, 2004 were not wins for the party or any DEM I know- so I'm not sure where all these "wins" that are supposed to be helping me are coming from...

[LSK]

109. politics is not a fucking sport, its life and death for millions

Go watch a baseball game if all you care about is winning.

[bigtree]

113. as if you aren't obsessed with Obama winning

Why is this poster's desire to win any different from Obama supporters'? There are myriads of reasons to support a candidate. Start knocking them down and where does it stop?

[LSK]

115. oh, I dont know, maybe because I dont want another Neocon in the White house?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5647386

[rodeodance]

117. tell Obama to drop out then

[LSK]

118. you want to base that on ANYTHING?????

[Maddy McCall]

114. I agree 100%....that's one of the factors in my choice to support Hillary.

Although I didn't agree with everything that happened under the Bill Clinton presidency, I also realize the reality of what he had to work with...

And, considering those facts, he was an excellent president...and will always be remembered as such.

Thanks for this thread. :yourock:

[Erin Elizabeth]

120. Normally I'd admire such optimism.

But not when it's not based on any kind of reality. And in this case, it's not. Despite having been repeatedly accused of being sexist by Hillary supporters, I do sort of feel some sympathy for you. It's got to be hard.

Hopefully there will be a Democrat in the White House in January 2009!

[Raffi Ella]

124. THAT'S RIGHT!

They WIN! And that's what we freakin need, a WIN!

After 8 long nasty years of REPUKES Hillary Clinton is the SOLUTION. She will FIGHT those fuckers and get things done and She will do it with a SMILE on her face. I am just SO impressed by her - She is fearless and FIERCE and she WILL win this nomination, count on it! Count. On. That! :bounce: :woohoo:

[JackORoses]

125. Except when they lose. Just like in 31 Primary contests, and this Nomination.

When they lose, they lose like spoiled brats. Like entitled royalty. Like George W Bush.

I take great solace knowing that they will never live in the White House again.

They have no place in the People's Party.

[VotesForWomen]

126. yep; O would have folded up his tent a long time ago if he faced what clinton faced.

[txaslftist]

127. Funny.. That's one of the things I like about Obama. He wins.

[guyanakoolaid]

129. ...

Black is white to some people

:shrug:

[EmilyAnne]

128. Do you also love cockroaches? How about George W. Bush?

[cliffordu]

132. I think you're right about the phrase "The Clintons"

That's who you are trying to elect. Not Just Hillary. Bill is going to thry to recapture the Glory that was Bill when he was POTUS..

IF they accidentally steal the election you can look forward to Bill trying to jump in front of the camera every chance he gets. For FOUR years.

She doesn't stand a chance against that publicity whore.

:hi:

[Radical Activist]

133. And every Democrat around them, including the entire party, loses.

The House, the Senate, Al Gore. The party was nearly dead with young voters at the end of Bill's two turns because the Clinton-era party ignored them completely. There was no thought about the future health of the party beyond Bill's two terms. They win but they win like parasites. They feed off the party's long term health for their own short term gain.

And Bill never one a majority of the vote.

[hfojvt]

134. Just like Bush, eh?

Clintons win, and the people lose. The Democratic Party, loses. Party like it's 1994, because it's all good, as long as the Clintons win.

Who are these 'right people' who get pi$$ed off? Labor leaders? Democratic precinct people? Ted Kennedy?

[mcctatas]

135. The thing I love about the Clintons...

Bill
that is all...

[kwenu]

136. That can also be interpreted as "they don't know when to stop" or "they don't know when enough

is enough." Where I come from you put those kinds of people out the door in a hurtful manner that makes a point.

[kdpeters]

137. You must really love the Bushes!!!

They've got a lot more "winners" in their family and they piss off liberals and progressives too!

[whatchamacallit]

138. Ha, they are soon to be relegated to the dust bin of history

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[donheld]

139. Everything you like about Clinton applies to Bush as well.