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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:49 PM Original message |
Why can't Hillary connect with Black voters? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. I know. Why can't she connect? |
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BayouBengal07 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. Because she's running against a black guy? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Bingo. |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. I bet you have never listened to any of the national black radio stations. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
94. I have. What's your point? nt |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. She had the majority of black support at the beginning - and that "black guy" was running against |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I believe that the democratic party takes black voters for granted. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Well, the DLCers sure do. It's appalling. |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Even the democrats on this board. Treat blacks as if we were cattle. |
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malletgirl02 (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Unfortunately you are right |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
52. And since then they've gotten to know him better. But they know McCain, too. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. I wouldn't be so sure of that. |
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #59 |
80. Dis-enfranchisement... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
81. And then he played the race card with such awesome deftness... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Do you mean May 2007 when Hillary's butt-kisser Stephanopoulus asked Obama ... |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #81 |
110. I am sick and tired of the "race card" |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
86. That was before the blacks supporting Obama started threatening the blacks |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Guess what this is politics. If you choose to align yourself with the enemy you will get voted out |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Who is the enemy? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
32. Only two candidates have ever gotten 80-91% support from a racial group during primaries |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. If Hillary does not get the black vote she will not carry Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Michigan. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. She will just like Dukakis did when he went up against a white candidate in the GE |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. You don't listen to national black radio do you? |
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redstate_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #44 |
97. Wow. This is TOTALLY different than then. |
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redstate_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #32 |
95. So what does that tell you about Novemeber if she manages to |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
38. I bet when Obama starts running against McCain, he will win a lot more than 40 or 45% of white women |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:40 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Kerry won 41% of the white vote. Do you think Obama can do better? |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #42 |
61. And Kerry won Ohio, Florida, and PA in the primaries, and still lost 2 of them in the GE. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #42 |
84. Yes I do believe that Obama will do better |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #38 |
55. I agree. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #38 |
56. I agree. n/t |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think it has a lot more to do with Obama being in the race, |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. Figure that obama has nothing to do with it? |
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Secret_Society (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. I believe in the GE that HRC will do fine with black voters... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. No. She won't get the black vote because of the way her campaign |
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Secret_Society (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. You raise an interesting point |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Yes, more Hillary supporters would rather vote for McCain than Obama. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #27 |
82. Ugh. Sorry, that just isn't right. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #21 |
49. It won't matter. The country is so sick of Republicans |
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rwheeler31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
6. We know |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Actually alot black voters do not like Hillary or Bill anymore. |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. And we watch the media say things like Obama cannot win the white vote and |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
10. OMG, okay, funniest thread of the day. That's my cue - time for bed. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Right, because Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and Carol Moseley-Braun got 90% of the black vote too. |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Oh good, more deliberate obtuseness! Did you want to add that she wants |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. You could try being honest enough to admit... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Jackson did |
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gort6 (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
15. Why can't Obama connect with White voters and Latinos? |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Why can't Hillary win college voters, black, and affluent voters. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Which blocs are larger? Do the math and Obama is weaker |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Yet Obama is winning. What does that say about Hillary. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. He benefits from Dem primary demographics not being the GE demographics |
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RememberWellstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
23. Because she is not? |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:19 AM Original message |
One reason I bring this up because I am sick of the Obama can't win |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. But she led among black voters as late as December '07/January '08, and Obama was |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Exactly Obama had to earn our vote but Hillary supporters ignore that. |
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RememberWellstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #25 |
35. I agree. |
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redstate_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #23 |
100. You're a racist tool. |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
29. rofl - that was awesome. |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
30. And Obama can't seal the deal with white voters! |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
31. Because the other candidate is black and she is white |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. He won black men 96-4 in PA. This is ok but Hillary getting 60% of white women in PA is wrong |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. You are an ass black men have voted for white men and white women. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:40 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. How does this work? 96% is ok but 60% is racist? |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #43 |
51. There are some that want to see history but alot of them |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:55 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. So 96% is based on issues and 60% is prima facie evidence of racism? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
41. Because she's running against Obama, not McCain. |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I can guarantee you that if he is ahead in either the popular or the pledged delegates and they give |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. What is she is ahead in the popular vote and he is ahead in pledeged delegates? |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. If he loses oh well. At least he got this far. |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. I am black we have survived through hell. Guess what we can survive through McCain but I will not |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #53 |
63. You keep getting back to the assumption of voting against O as prima facie evidence of racist voting |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Obama has no chance in that racist state. Western Pa and Wv are virtually the same state. |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I know it's hard for you to comprehend that there are alot of racist that hate black people in this |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #70 |
93. Yeah, I know nothing about racism |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #93 |
99. And Hillary has alot of experience? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. You are back to that assumption again |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #71 |
83. She may not get that many because of the college educated. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #83 |
90. That is a reasonable assumption. Let's give her 55% |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #90 |
98. I told you there are blacks that are excited about the possibilty of a |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Fair enough |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. I've said that in another thread 2 days ago. But Hillary also gets |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:27 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. I agree with that just as Obama gets the male sexist vote |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #71 |
87. Jews are white people. I know because my great grandfather was jewish. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. I doubt that. They would be hurting themselves, if they hand the country |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #54 |
64. If he is ahead in the popular vote and pd's I can see McSame getting up to 35% of the black vote |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
47. because she marginalizes them every chance she gets. -eom |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
48. Because she is not black... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
60. Why Oh Why didn't Hillary win all 5 of her homestates? |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Because she can't close the deal on the unknown senator from illinois. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Obama had 97% name ID three months ago. It is probably 99% now |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Clinton supporters always say that they do not know who he is. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. In that sense you are right and that is an asset for any politician |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
67. Because Obama is black |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
72. I think it's the whole entitlement thing. She acts like black people owe her, |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. This is so true. The biggest misconception by |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Yep. Plus what's even worse is that she's trying to piggyback on her own husband's |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. And this is how she treated Bill Richardson. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
74. She can, but Obama is black, even though his mother was white, so |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Not if the nomination is taken from him. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #75 |
105. Define "taken from him." If they both go to Denver |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 03:27 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. That won't happen so they would have to take it from him. |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
77. Because she threw the black community under the bus. |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Hillary believes that the world owes her. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
85. because she's lost the democratic base which includes other demographics |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. I agree 100%. The rest of the party votes republican. Blacks are the most loyal. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #89 |
107. no the rest of the party does not vote republican. Its clinton supporters who would back McCain |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. That's the problem. |
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goletian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
92. because they know she doesnt speak to them like obama - nt |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
104. That's one stupidest thing I've ever seen posted |
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TragedyandHope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
109. Have you not heard or read anything Hillary's campaign and her surrogates have said |
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