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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:05 PM
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Barack reaction to the Bosnia story (Hillary Clinton: Nastiness Vs. Presidential)


Senator Hillary Clinton has no class. Clinton, the Queen of nastiness was at her best at the presidential nomination debate with senator Barack Obama tonight, in Pennsylvania.


The defining moment in tonight’s debate, sponsored by ABC, occurred when Clinton’s Bosnian lies question came up.


The moderators, George Stephanopoulos and Charlie Gibson played a videotape of a man-on-the-street who said Senator Clinton did not have credibility based on her lies about having dodged bullets in Bosnia in 1995.


Clinton was clearly embarrassed and claimed she had “apologized” for the incidents, which in itself was a lie; previously, she had only claimed she had "misspoken" which is not the same as admitting to the blatant lie.

Clinton went on to respond that she had written accurately in her book about what had happened in Bosnia, and that somehow had not accurately described the Bosnia visit in recent weeks. Might it be that she wanted to manufacture a false incident to demonstrate foreign policy involvement that also showed her courage and bravery?


When the floor was turned over to Obama, he could have reinforced Clinton’s lies about Bosnia by asking how it was possible for her to repeat her claims of dodging bullets on at least four occasions, without consciously being aware she was lying.


Obama showed that he is presidential and that he has class; Clinton dragged out the Rev. Jeremiah Wright incident again tonight, proving that she is not presidential at all. She has no capacity for reconciliation and forgiveness, even though she had the heart to "forgive" her husband Bill Clinton, for having at least 10 sexual encounters with Monica Lewinsky in the Oval office. Unless she remained with her husband, as many people believe, just so he could help her make a run on the White House. This type of cynical calculation would be chilling.


Clinton also engaged in the type of pathetic mud-slinger that all Americans, including her supporters, now expect from her. She even dragged in Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan’s name into the debate and associated him with Obama.


She repeated her disingenuous and ahistorical assertion that had she been in Obama’s position, she would have left Rev. Wright’s church after his objectionable remarks.


Under what circumstances would she have ever have been a member of a historically Black church anyway? She, a white woman who grew up in privilege, and was a former Republican?


Black churches, historically, led the charge against racism, lynching, discrimination and segregation in America. White churches provided the enabling environment for slavery and racism, even rejecting Black members; white churches also served as enforcers of racism as well. So for Clinton to glibly suggest that she would have just “walked away” from a Black church, when historically Black people were not even allowed in white churches, is of course disingenuous, patronizing, and duplicitous. What's more, she knows it too.


The debate’s moderators tonight also disclosed that an ABC News poll in Pennsylvania found, not surprisingly, that 60% of those surveyed said Senator Clinton was untrustworthy and had no credibility.


A second opportunity for Clinton to proudly display her lack of class was when the moderators asked Senator Obama about his association with a member of a former underground organization that was involved in bombings 40 years ago.


Obama forcefully responded to Stephanopoulos that when the bomber was involved in the sabotage 40 years ago, Obama was eight years old, and that for anyone to imply that he approved of Ayers’ sabotage operations then just had no logic.


Here Clinton again went into slime-mode, accusing Obama of having served on the same Board as Ayers. These kind of associations were important, because those nasty Republicans will bring up the issue during the general election Clinton said.


This was a brilliant moment for Obama to strike back, and he did, slapping Clinton with a zinger: Her husband, as president, had formally pardoned two members of the underground organization, whereas he just happened to know a former member.



The New York senator stood there completely stunned by this swift comeback; she was becoming too accustomed to Senator Obama gentlemanly presidential responses.

Sometimes it's hard to treat someone like a lady, when she's not, as Obama now realizes.

http://blackstarnews.com/?c=135&a=4441
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Masterofarts Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:06 PM
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1. Barack was classy
Obama has never jumped to harshly criticize hillary for anything, if you think about it. Hillary on the other hand would do anything to hurt his chances.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:44 PM
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7. which is why her unfavorable number keeps rising
I like what I saw tonight.

If you are straight with the American people, they will judge you fairly
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:06 PM
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2. Thanks Obama for taking the high road on the Bosnia story.
I'm proud of you.

You make us all proud.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:09 PM
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3. kick
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:11 PM
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4. They both did well - and Obama's Bosnia response was expected as was Hill's "he can win"
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:11 PM
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5. She Is Despicable...
I like to see someone go on every "political pundit" program tomorrow and call her out for the slime she is.

K&R
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:40 PM
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6. Hillary and those who support her tactics are simply amoral, valueless scum.
There was a day when a TV station turning a debate into tabloid trash would have been roundly criticized by all who call themselves Democrats. Her faction proudly claims this as a victory for them even as their tactics turn Hillary into a pariah. But at least she can give the keynote speech at the 2012 Republican convention.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:57 PM
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10. hilary's supporters are bred from the
same strain and applaud her attacking with LIES, and just lying, whining, and posing to get the thing she desires.

NOT THIS TIME.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:52 PM
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8. Wow! That's Killer response!
"This was a brilliant moment for Obama to strike back, and he did, slapping Clinton with a zinger: Her husband, as president, had formally pardoned two members of the underground organization, whereas he just happened to know a former member.

The New York senator stood there completely stunned by this swift comeback; she was becoming too accustomed to Senator Obama gentlemanly presidential responses".


Did her face look all shocked like ..you weren't suppose to know that, Barack!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:58 PM
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11. attacking her is tricky--he has to do it carefully.
It has to be in direct response to one of her attacks or accusations. If it is not, it allows her to play the victim and wins her sympathy as a female being "picked on" by a male. And she really loves playing the victim.

It's been really hard but he's held up pretty well. I like how he uses humor on the stump to laugh at some of her more silly stories.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:15 PM
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15. Yeah, hilary thinks she so clever
with her little whiny victim act.

I love how he uses humor..and it comes naturally.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:54 PM
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9. It would've been nice to see Obama punch Gibson in the face
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:01 PM
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12. Obama broke Hart's "Final Rule" first when he called Hillary's foreign policy was tea drinking
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/12/28/obama-clinton-tea-off/

Facing a statistical dead heat just days before the Jan. 3 caucus, Democratic candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton got into a war of words today over, of all things, tea.

At a packed speech in a high school gym in Coralville today, Obama said his democratic rivals didn’t have the ability to bring about change, the magic word that has come to dominate the Democrats’ stump speeches lately.

“My experience is grounded in understanding how the world sees America, from living overseas and traveling overseas, and having family beyond our shores,” Obama said to an audience of nearly 900 people. “It’s that experience, that understanding, and not just of what world leader I went and talked to in the ambassador’s house who I had tea with.”
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:29 PM
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16. I missed that part.. I went for a smoke .. I was fucking furious
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:03 PM
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13. And you must have missed the remark about the Obama camp emails about Hillary being a "liar" that
that they are apparently sending to the press on a regular basis. I thought that it was very nice of ABC to let us see that side of the Obama campaign.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:11 PM
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14. rope a dope....dam hillary ya fell for it again.
how can this woman be so dam dumb...
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:35 PM
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17. Why did they show that video?
I'm a hardcore Obama supporter but ABC pissed me off with that shit. We all know it was a lie, we all know some people find her credibility in question because of it, we all know already. For them to play that video, to bring it up, once again and to embarass her was bullshit. I like that Obama took the high ground and didn't play along. I think had he played along they would of went after her like a pack of wild dogs but he didn't. She on the other hand didn't take the high ground, not once.
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