Holy Mary Susa Kentucky Clinton 62% Obama 26%

[sunonmars]

Holy Mary

Look at those numbers

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportPopup.aspx?g=7970b4f8-b612-4f2e-8dde-3f865c3d7ac5&q=45558

In Kentucky, Clinton 36 Lengths In Front of Sputtering Obama: In a Democratic Primary in Kentucky today, 04/15/08, five weeks to the vote, Hillary Clinton defeats Barack Obama 62% to 26%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted for WHAS-TV Louisville and WCPO-TV Cincinnati. Compared to an identical SurveyUSA tracking poll released two weeks ago, Obama has lost ground among men and women, young and old, conservatives and moderates. In Western KY, Clinton had led by 30, now leads by 43. In Eastern KY, Clinton had led by 52, now leads by 63. in North Central KY, Clinton had led by 30, now leads by 39. In greater Louisville, Clinton had led by 12, now leads by 16.

[SeaLyons]

1. Go Hillary!!!

That's great.

Thanks for posting.

:kick:

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[Cant trust em]

10. I think it's unfair to attribute Hillary's strong support in KY to racism

I had the same thought for about two seconds, and then my better judgment kicked in. I'm trying to work on my better half.

[BlooInBloo]

21. Sure, if you ignore reality, the world is a WONDERFUL place!

Where white folks aren't racist, and... I get PONIES!!!!

[Cant trust em]

29. I'm just not willing to paint with that broad of a brush

Hillary is winning in Kentucky. It must be because Kentucky is full of racists. That may be true, but I think I'll keep that thought in the back of my head.

[Kittycat]

36. Really? Because I am.

I've known enough KY-folk in my life to know better. I guess you need to meet a few.

[xmas74]

166. I have family from Kentucky.

I wouldn't call them racist by any means.

Maybe you need to reassess what you think you know about people from KY. Kentuckians are good, hardworking people. They care about their families and they do their best by their neighbors.

Most of the people I know from Kentucky would give you the shirts off their backs, just because they knew you were in need. And race wouldn't matter when it came down to it.

[BlooInBloo]

37. It's wonderful how we give each other the "benefit of the doubt" every single time...

... And since it's always theoretically possible to doubt, we ALWAYS get the benefit. WOOT!!!

It's wonderful to be the foxes guarding the henhouse - it really, really is.

[woolldog]

86. Oh, please, of course it's racism.

It's Kentucky. C'mon. There's a reason why Obama has held his own almost everywhere except with southern whites. Not a coincidence.

[xmas74]

169. So everyone from Kentucky is a racist?

My greatgrandmother was from Kentucky. No way was she ever a racist.

This is highly offensive.

[Symarip]

79. Oh shit!!!

Did you get 2 ponies?

Son of a bitch.

I haven't gotten mine yet.

I can't wait.

[pnwmom]

99. Are the African Americans in Kentucky racist, too? What has happened

to his support among black people in the state?

[msallied]

139. That's the 26%.

[hedgehog]

159. Off-topic - but I love your poster. My grandpa and uncle

worked at Sheet and Tube!

[GoldieAZ49]

150. Anyone that doesn't support Obama is racist regardless

of actual race, it has become the largest voting block in America.

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[pnwmom]

165. Anyone who says that must be sexist.

:shrug:

[jackson_dem]

154. He gets the same black support in KY he does in every state

You see, when 80-91% of blacks vote for Obama in every state with no fluctuation that is because Obama is such a great candidate. When Clinton gets above 50% of the white vote or Latino vote anywhere it is because of racism!

[GoldieAZ49]

161. LOL so true, but it isn't enough to win in November

[otohara]

24. My Better Half

Wait, I don't have a better half. :evilgrin:

[Cha]

33. Maybe not but what do we call

people who believe hilary's relentless fear crap?

[Cant trust em]

56. Those would be the fearmongers, who may in fact be racist

but since I haven't talked to any Kentuckyans (or Kentuckyers) I won't judge them.

[Cha]

75. Kentuckians..and no I won't

be judging anyone either.. too busy with my EYE ON THE PRIZE.

"The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not -- we will not -- travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain." Barack Obama

[Adelante]

111. EYE ON THE PRIZE

I love you :loveya:

[Cha]

118. Sweet! I should have dated that quote

from Obama which was October 2, 2002! :loveya:

[juajen]

74. Try smarter than you. That would work. Does for me.

NT

[kwenu]

121. Strange how that argument never seems to be a problem when analyzing Obama.

[jackson_dem]

123. It is the same excuse they use for any state that doesn't buy the messiah's hype

Yet when Obama wins every state with a large black population they never claim racism. Why the hypocrisy?

[Cant trust em]

128. possibly because the history of racism in America has been largely one sided

that's just my guess.

[jackson_dem]

132. True but there are racists of all stripes

The difference is only whites have the power to discriminate institutionally, aside from a few isolated pockets here and there, given their numbers. That does not excuse the hypocrisy. Obama gets 80-91% of the black vote in every state. No fluctuation at all. Race isn't a factor in that? They both have 100% NAACP ratings. This is similar to Romney's support among Mormons. Did he have any special policies for Mormons? Of course not.

[Cant trust em]

135. The difference is the motivation behind the "discrimination"

Let's take this out of the current Obama/Clinton perspective for second.

I'm Chinese, so there is definitely a cultural tie that I'd have for a chinese candidate. If I voted for that candidate over, let's say, a latino candidate, it would be out of a specific draw to my own people. Not out of a dislike, or a push against latinos.

But when we take into account the last few hundred years of American history, it seems more likely that southern whites overwhelmingly supporting Clinton would be due to racism against blacks. On the converse, it seems also likely that blacks would be voting for Obama out of support for an African-American candidate.

[jackson_dem]

140. Would you vote for Gary Locke over Obama?

I understand the affinity and we saw this with Mormons as well this year and in the past with Catholics (JFK, Al Smith) but two points: 1) there are some racists in all groups as we, both minorities, know all to well 2) it is not as innocuous as you make it sound. In order to vote for someone based on race or gender or religion you have to vote against someone due to being born different. As an Edwards supporter I have been disappointed to see this given the role it played in sinking him.

[Cant trust em]

142. unfortunately voting is a binary choice

a vote for someone is also a vote against someone else. But again, I think it's the motivational factor that is the determinant here. Here's another example. If I had $100 to give to a single charity and I selected The Salvation Army, it's not because I think that cancer patients aren't worth that $100. I just have a special place in my heart for TSA.

That's another reason why I'm just about primaried out. I don't like having to pit two (or 8) people against each other that I would be proud to vote for in November.

[msallied]

137. I'm sorry, have you ever been to Kentucky?

Because you sound like an idiot right now.

[Cant trust em]

141. I just know that if I lived in Kentucky and were for Clinton

and someone told me that it was because I was racist, I'd be pretty pissed. Fortunately I live in California and am for Obama, so I don't really have to worry about that. I'm just trying to wear another hat for the moment.

[msallied]

151. It might not be because "you" were racist

But generally, anti-black sentiments run very strong in that state, and that's a big part of it.

[Cant trust em]

197. I guess I'm just feeling particularly charitable today.

Sometimes I'm willing to let things slide when I would normally bust their balls.

[xmas74]

170. I have a grandparent from there.

Not everyone there is racist and your assumption that all are is quite disgusting.

[nonconformist]

189. I *live* in Kentucky

And the people that sound like idiots are the ones that assume that the only way Hillary could POSSIBLY win is because of racism.

Let me fill you in on something - Kentucky loves the Clintons, always have. They voted for Bill twice, and they remember that their lives were much better under Clinton.

And I'll tell you something else - yes, there are a lot of working class people in this state. You know, the people that used to be considered the key part of the Democratic base? Working class people are pragmatic. They have to be. They can't count on hope and fairies and ponies shitting rainbows. They don't have that luxury. They need concrete plans and results to their problems, like the lack of healthcare.

I know it's FAR easier to believe that the entire state is just full of ignorant racists... how can those bottom-feeding low class fools actually make an intelligent decision about who would be the best president, right?

[jsamuel]

16. and you wonder why rural people have a hard time with Obama supporters

couldn't possibly be because the state is mostly rural?

[cali]

23. no. it couldn't. my state is almost entirely

rural. And we voted for Obama. By a lot. Stop generalizing about rural voters.

[jsamuel]

43. yes, there are lots of reasons to vote for Clinton or Obama besides racism

that is my whole point. To simply call an entire state full to the brim with racist Democrats because they prefer Clinton to Obama is ridiculous.

Rural areas (as opposed to urban areas) do tend to vote for Clinton more than Obama. That does not mean that there aren't rural states that vote for Obama. And that isn't a generalization, it is from the actual vote count. A generalization is saying that they cling to guns and God and hate other people because they are bitter.

[Kittycat]

46. I know - kind of like Idaho & North Dakota & Nebraska & Iowa & Minnesota

Right??? Or do they not count?

[jsamuel]

53. look at the vote count by county instead of by state

it is all relative of course

[aquarius dawning]

116. Red state Caucuses everyone of them (except Minnesota which is also a caucus state)

As such, they are far less representative of the will of the Democratic party as a whole than wins in true blue states and wins in primary states. I mean, if we're not even seating Michigan or Florida, I think it's only fair to re-examine the red state caucuses a little more closely.

[SoCalDem]

48. Never said rural

People who would NEVER EVER EVER vote for a black person make up their minds every quickly.. And if enough of them get polled...well there you are..

Once Obama starts campaigning there and new polls are taken, we'll see if the numbers change..

[CTLawGuy]

190. they don't

WY, ID, ND, NE, KS, WY, AK, ME, VT, but none of those states are southern states. It's SOUTHERN rural, very white states, like TN, OK, WV, KY that he has trouble in.

[aquarius dawning]

30. People have more reasons than just skin color to hate Barack Obama.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

87. Hate?

[Hoof Hearted]

152. Yeah, hate. Just like some people hate Hillary, but you're probably less taken aback by that,

predictably.

[MADem]

188. You're not allowed to hate anyone but Hillary. Apparently, it's in the DU rules or something...

:shrug: :eyes:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

196. Hate is crumby!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

191. But that is one of them and you know it.

Embrace your "base".

[JoFerret]

51. Hold on.

Listen - first - polls, smolls etc.

"They" say that Obama has sewn up 90% of the black vote.

Makes sense to me given our history.

But don't start yelling "racist".

We are ALL racist. And that includes you and Barack Obama.

[BlackVelvet04]

88. That's rich coming from a sexist. n/t

[lastliberalintexas]

138. So the sexists in North Carolina made up their minds early, I guess

:wtf:

God I see some strange stuff posted here these days.

[GoldieAZ49]

149. Obama and his supporters promote racism

good job, enjoy your loss, you worked hard for it and deserve it

[scheming daemons]

3. I hear they've got good bourbon in Kentucky too.... Hillary can knock a few down...

...

[truebrit71]

4. Which state was the racist Rep who called him a "boy" from?

That's what i thought....

[jsamuel]

5. wow, so Kentucky as a whole is condemned by you because of what one man said?

[ampad]

25. Might as well

Ask Hillary what is so bad about San Francisco.

[goldcanyonaz]

8. Guess you missed what Mitch McConnel said about Clinton at that dinner.

[Hepburn]

9. Yep.....

...Jeffy Davis indeed was from that state.

Figures....:eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. So Was Abraham Lincoln

~

[MADem]

71. Muhammad Ali, too....in Louisville! nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

96. My Hero

He lives in Phoenix now... I guess the weather helps his health...

[mtnester]

107. Whoopsie...stepped in it a bit didn't you?

things like that happen sometimes.

[Bensthename]

14. I believe it was that same state... Interesting...

[xmas74]

173. So one person's comments decide an entire state?

I don't freaking think so.

Why are you looking for a fight? Why are you trying so hard to insult the hardworking people of an entire state-a state that you've probably never even been to?

[DemGa]

6. Extremely good! --- NT

[Bonobo]

7. That should be helpful for the GE! Kentucky!

[paulk]

20. it's sort of like all those red caucus states Obama racked up his

delegate lead in.

Don't you think?

[Bonobo]

59. You mean the ones that Hillary discounted? You know the flip side of the Big State argument?

Well, if you think Obama won't win CA, you're wrong.

Same for NY, IL, and all of both coasts.

See? It goes both ways over here too!

[paulk]

78. the argument has never been that Obama can't win blue states

but it's the usual for kids like you to miss the point.

[bowens43]

50. In win in the primarys has what toi do with a win in the GE?

It's irrelevant.

[Bonobo]

62. You're exactly 100% right. So Hillary's staff should quit their stupid "Big State argument".

[Blue_State_Elitist]

155. Bill won it.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

11. Let me guess where the new goal post will be set up.

:think:

[otohara]

12. Well There's A Shocker

It looks like greater Louisville is the only place I'd fit in!

[RememberWellstone]

13. Kentucky loved Wellstone too!

He was a champion for the little guy..I remember him talking about the Rockefellers and the the little fellers. I do believe that the "little" guy is being ignored in this primary. Obama shows how out-of-touch he is with the little guy.

[bvar22]

105. Wellstone would NOT be supporting Hillary.

I lived in Minnesota and had the privilege of working to elect Paul Wellstone.
Before his death, he started expressing his frustration at the wing of the Democratic Party that were helping Bush by supporting his WAR, Trade, and AntiLABOR issues (DLC). Paul had no use for triangulating Centrists (The Clintons).

"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone



Paul Wellstone would be standing with his LIBERAL peers:
Ted Kennedy
John Kerry
Russ Feingold

[backscatter712]

15. Welcome to KKKentucky! n/t

[xmas74]

175. Get a life.

Not everyone from Kentucky is racist. How dare you even think it.

[DefenseLawyer]

17. Meet me in Kentucky!

Clearly the most important primary has always been Kentucky. The winner of Kentucky will determine the nominee. As Kentucky goes, so goes.......

[goldcanyonaz]

22. Nope, that would be Mississippi.

[truebrit71]

35. No, no, no...it's Guam that is the most important primary...

...always has been...

We have ALWAYS been at war with Oceania...

[Monty__]

147. Well President Lincoln did say

I hope to have G-d on my side, but I must have Kentucky

Of course, he was talking about something else

[book_worm]

18. No surprise she has been ahead in KY and WVA by large margins

TN also went for her overwhelmingly in the super Tuesday primary.

[MADem]

19. It sort of explains all the calls for her head so early. Can't have

that sort of thing on the way to the coronation...

[goldcanyonaz]

26. True, but we don't need Kentucky, cuz we're gonna win Utah.

[aquarius dawning]

40. and Alaska, don't forget about Alaska..

[Blue_In_AK]

70. Never EVER forget about Alaska...

...if you know what's good for you. :P

[aquarius dawning]

109. We're gonna take Alaska this year. I CAN FEEL IT!

and Texas too!

[Blue_In_AK]

122. I think there's a good possibility...

People here on DU argue with me about it, but I feel it, too. With all the Republican corruption scandals we've had up here in the past two years, people are definitely turning left.

[totodeinhere]

85. No, that doesn't explain it.

No matter what happens in Kentucky it will be too little too late for Clinton. Kentucky is only one state and even if that poll is true, Obama will still have won a lot more states and amassed more delegates than Clinton. The reason why they have called for her head is because we need to get this thing over with so we can start concentrating on McCain. It's nothing more or less than that.

[AX10]

193. True.

[rug]

27. Astounding.

The spin will exceed Katrina.

[Phillycat]

28. Excellent news - thanks for posting.

She will not give up - she has earned my vote here in PA. :)

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[Cass]

81. Where do you get off with your snark-ass remark to that poster?

How dare you ask her that just because she says she is going to vote for Hillary.

News flash - she can vote for whomever she pleases whether you approve or not.

[SoonerPride]

100. She "gets off with her remark" because she has the right to free fucking speech. Duh.

Whether you approve or not.

Touché

[Hoof Hearted]

164. Apparently the mods did NOT approve!

:rofl:

[juajen]

82. No, thank God, she doesn't give up.

How lucky we are to have a candidate like her.

[SoonerPride]

103. Yeah. Just so lucky,

I'm all tingly.

[IsItJustMe]

181. That really depends on your point of view.

[Justice Is Comin]

148. Salute to you.

And keep on saying.

[bunnies]

31. roflmao.

shocking. :rofl:

[Oreo]

32. If those numbers hold true...

Clinton will get 32 delegates to Obama's 19.

That 13 delegate pickup will be DEVASTATING for Obama.
He might as well give up now

[rug]

39. Sure, a 36% loss will be ignored.

[bowens43]

45. Not ignored but certainly it'll be irrelvent.

She can't win the nomination. A huge win in Kentucky won't change that. She knows that. Her only goal now is to try to sabotage Obama in the GE so that she can get another shot in 2012.

[redqueen]

34. She's still got 5 weeks to shoot herself in the foot...

not trying to rain on your parade... just trying to lower expectations. :)

[aquarius dawning]

42. Obama does that pretty well himself.

[redqueen]

47. Okay!

:hi:

[Jane Austin]

38. This is not surprising

for a state that elected the sadly senile Sen. Jim Bunning and the execrable Mitch McConnell.

I get the impression the voters there aren't terriby well-informed.

[IsItJustMe]

183. I believe Kentucky ranks 49th in Education. Just saying,

[SoonerPride]

41. Too bad Kentucky doesn't matter.

Clinton only says Big Blue States matter.

Kentucky is dead to Hill.

[aquarius dawning]

44. Luckily she wins those too.

[SoonerPride]

54. Still wanna wager?

I'm a betting man.

I bet Obama is the nominee.

[aquarius dawning]

89. The odds favor him, I'll agree with that. My job is to even those odds

and I intend to spend the next several months doing that.

[BzaDem]

49. This is hillarious. Now Obama supporters are saying states don't count.

[MADem]

52. Or their voters are stupid. It's interesting, isn't it? NT

[Cameron27]

61. Interesting is one way to describe it...

[BlooInBloo]

60. Au contraire. America's mean, stupid, and bigoted electorate DOES count...

... And because they count, America is in the position it's in today.

Boy do they count.

[MADem]

64. Now isn't THAT special! Voters who don't agree with you are mean, stupid and bigoted.

Fascinating.

[truebrit71]

67. Which state are we talking about again? KKKentucky right?

Yeah, Obama's skin colour has NOTHING to do with his low numbers...

:eyes:

[MADem]

72. Well, every poll I've seen says that sexism trumps racism, so there's got to be

another reason at play--maybe it's that "elitist" attitude that keeps getting dismissed?

[MADem]

73. .............

[xmas74]

180. What the fuck is it with ya'll

calling it KKKentucky?

There are good people who live in that state and they deserve a bit more respect than to be called racists.

[BlooInBloo]

68. Nah. Voters who are mean, stupid and bigoted are mean, stupid, and bigoted...

... Whether or not they agree with me on this-or-that is a matter of purely contingent fact.

[Maribelle]

57. This could be a reason the Obama followers were screaming almost in unison for Hillary to drop out.

[Avalux]

76. Sure. That's the reason.

:rofl:

[MADem]

90. If it's so funny, you shouldn't be worried. Let the whole thing play out. Don't call for anyone to

leave the contest...

[Avalux]

92. I don't recall ever asking Hillary to drop out. I'm just fine waiting.

Obama will be a much stronger candidate against McCain after this nomination process plays out. :hi:

[mckeown1128]

58. My wife is from Kentucky(Louisville) and she says that...

...outside of Louisville, the voters are the stereotypical racist rednecks. She isn't surprised by the polling numbers. I am not either... just look at Tennessee.

[BlooInBloo]

65. Only racism-deniers (i.e. supporters) say otherwise.

[Mags]

69. so how does your wife know all these stereotypical racist redneck Kentuckians?

[mckeown1128]

136. Uhh.. she is from Kentucky... you know... she met them... in...person?! nt

[xmas74]

182. So the lady from the city refers to the

rural folk as "rednecks".

What a freaking shock.

(Oh, and it's quite offensive. I have family from rural Kentucky and it's comments like this that make everyone look bad.)

[mckeown1128]

186. Look I am sure the majority of voters in rural Kentucky are NOT racist.

But I am pretty sure that a nice chunk are.

[xmas74]

195. Most would consider the phrase

"a nice chunk" to mean a sizable majority.

You're still referring to a "nice chunk" of the citizens of a state as racists. I dearly hope that the citizens of Kentucky know that not everyone believes the same that you do.

[Bigleaf]

66. Who the fuck is Mary Susa?

;)

:sarcasm:

[indimuse]

77. GREAT!

Thanks for this post! Go Hillary!!! K&R :toast:
:bounce:
:toast:
:bounce:

[totodeinhere]

80. You know it's funny. Polls have Obama way ahead in North Carolina and we see very little mention...

of that from Clinton supporters. Yet a poll has Clinton way ahead in Kentucky and you would think that it's the second coming of Christ from the way they are crowing about it.

But here's a hard reality for the Clinton camp. If the polls hold in both Pennsylvania and North Carolina and Clinton only wins narrowly in PA and loses big in NC, it will be all over with by the time Kentucky rolls around and she could win there by 90% and it still wouldn't make any difference.

Kentucky is only one state. No matter what happens there, it will be too little too late for Clinton.

[aquarius dawning]

97. There area number of contestst coming up that strongly favor her (PA, KY, IN)

and a number of other contests that could go either way, OR, SD, MT, for example. We know Barack will probably do well in NE,HI, and NC. Then there's MI and FLA. This all suggests that we are in for a long drawn out battle all the way to the convention. It also suggests that Barack's 160 delegate lead could be whittled down into a very weak argument for the nomination given the other arguments out there. I think you better just anticipate a few more months of this shit.

[totodeinhere]

110. That's too much spin.

The only state where she is strongly favored is Kentucky. She is not strongly favored in Indiana or Pennsylvania. Various polls have shown her only ahead by single digits in PA and the polls are divided over who is ahead in IN. Yet you say she is "strongly" favored in all three states. That's just not true.

[aquarius dawning]

115. I live in Ohio sandwhiched between IN and PA. I feel confident in my predictions

based on that alone. The polls support my predictions and increase my confidence such that I would bet money that Hillary wins PA and IN handily.

[totodeinhere]

120. OK, if that's what you are predicting that's fine.

You are entitled to your opinion. But your subject line didn't say that you were making a prediction. You said that she is "strongly favored" as if that's a fact, and it just isn't. It may be your prediction but many polls don't agree with your predictions. Didn't you see this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5518228&mesg_id=5518228

[aquarius dawning]

124. I disagree. The polls strongly favor her in IA and PA just like they strongly favored her in Ohio.

[totodeinhere]

126. Ok, what about this poll?

Clinton losing traction over Obama in Pennsylvania, Indiana:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-poll16apr16,0,794499.story

[aquarius dawning]

144. Bloomberg/LA times is a reputable non-biased polling source now? Give me a break.

And you guys gave me shit for posting an AOL poll?

[totodeinhere]

145. LOL. So only the polls that show your candidate ahead are reputable polls.

[aaaaaa5a]

83. Obama hasn't been to Kentucky yet!!!

Lets remember when Obama campaigns in a state he can cut 20 points off of a lead in just a few weeks. Remember he entered Texas down 20 and lost by 4.

He entered Ohio down 15-20 and lost by 10.

Some polls had him down 26 in Pennsylvania several weeks ago. And even with everything that has happened, he has clearly closed the gap from where it was 4 weeks ago.

This follows a trend we see in every state. Clinton opens with a big lead. And when the two begin campaigning in the state, the lead narrows.

If Clinton leads 62-26, I think Obama could cut 15-20 points off that lead with solid campaigning. Look for Kentucky to finish in Clinton's favor around 60-40.

BTW... a 60-40 win or even a 65-35 win will not be enough for Clinton to catch Obama in pledged delegates. And if she doesn't win Pennsylvania by 20 or more points, even huge wins in West Virgina and Kentucky and Puerto Rico will not allow her to catch up in popular votes either. (as flawed as the popular vote argument is anyway)

[redqueen]

95. Good points...

well, depending on your point of view, anyway. :P

[GoldieAZ49]

153. point spread doesn't matter

If O loses the white vote H will have her vindication for electabilty to the SD's

[PBS Poll-435]

108. LOL

I have never been to Houston or Dallas/Fort Worth, KY.

It is gonna be 65/35 worst case scenario for Obama.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

84. Kentuck's full of them typical bitter rural white folks

[oasis]

94. Not willing to swap their moonshine for Obama Kool-Aid.

:rofl:

[oasis]

91. Damn it, Obama's got them God fearin', gun lovin' hayseeds all riled up

by all his Dr. Phil type analyzin'.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

93. That same day Oregon is having a primary with 5 more delegates at stake.

:rofl:

Eta: Even when she wins, she loses!

[aquarius dawning]

101. What makes you think she can't win Oregon?

It is a primary state, unlike Washington, and it has less than a 2% AA population and I haven't seen any recent polling on Oregon to draw any conclusions from.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

104. SUSA had him up 10 a week ago.

He'll probably win by 10-15.

I live in the PacNW. We don't cotton to Clintons. :D

[mmonk]

98. Race baiting + unAmerican description+propaganda about being opposed

to guns and god and "workin folk" wonders on the dumb people who swallow such garbage. They were looking for ways to be against him I'm sure since he's "not their kind".

[Hoof Hearted]

102. It's probably just "name recognition" or a bad poll - OR WAIT!

I know, they're just BITTER in KY and they don't have the good sense to know any better being the typical white, gun-luvin', racist, church-goin', non-arugula-eatin', anti-immigrant, anti-trade rubes that they are in GOD DAMN AMERICA.

Have I got it right?

[aquarius dawning]

112. Yeah, you got it right OK.

[PragmatismRules]

106. READ THIS AWESOME ARTICLE ABOUT THE BITTERNESS ISSUE

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=19484882&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

[Adelante]

114. Here is an AWESOME ARTICLE about Hillary being a "phony, hypocritical, congenital liar"

By the same author and in the same right wing publication! :)

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=19026985&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=6

[RiverStone]

113. Why are his numbers so much better in NC?

Both southern states not that far apart geographically --- could it be NC is more urban/college educated?

[aquarius dawning]

117. It couldn't be because NC is 22% African American and KY is 7.5% African American could it?

[RiverStone]

119. Ok, got me there - but I had no clue the AA population was so low in KY...n/t

[Zynx]

127. Kentucky is a southern state without African Americans. Obama does not do well

with Southern whites.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

143. Please, could you say in the future he doesn't do well with certain southern whites?

I'm growing weary of being lumped in with southern whites who have issues with Obama. I'd really appreciate it.

[Seabiscuit]

125. If Hillary can just keep her foot out of her mouth, she'll win this thing.

Please, Hillary, no more "sniper fire" stories. Just let Obama self-destruct.

[sandyj999]

129. How Refreshing to Hear Something Positive About Hillary on This Board!

I pretty much stay away from here now because of the negativity. It also seems to me it is mostly the Obama board anyway and I am just not convinced he is the savior.

[Zhade]

130. He's not a savior. clinton, however, is a proven compulsive liar.

NT!

[Zynx]

131. Without a specific accusation, I will say this doesn't surprise me.

Outstate Kentucky is...um.....unique.

[GoesTo11]

133. Was that Kentucky bourbon she was drinking in the photos?

That would explain the bump.

[Lisa0825]

134. Nope! Canadian! (Crown Royal)

oops!

[Monty__]

146. This thread

and a lot of the responses in it go a long way to show what is wrong with our country.

[billyoc]

156. 80 or 90 more states like that and she'll start catching up.

:rofl:

[doctordog]

157. He can thank Rev. Wright and Rezko

Obama thought the Rev. Wright and Rezko weren't issues, he was wrong. Blagovich (not spelled right I know) has been nothing but crooked for IL so we knew we wanted none of that. If Obama pulls the primary win the GE will more of this for him.

[Zhade]

160. Keep dreaming. She's still not going to win the nom.

NT!

[GoldieAZ49]

162. Obama will not win the GE

NT!

[TheDonkey]

163. Oh I see it is one of those big blue states that matter

:rofl:

[McCamy Taylor]

167. Obama has not spent any money there yet has he?

[Name removed]

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[kwenu]

171. Spoken like someone whose knowledge of the U.S. comes from a TV set stuck on bad programming.

Anyway. Welcome to DU.

[ecstatic]

174. wtf. "alert" alert

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

176. That's one of the most disgustingly racist things I've seen here.

Take a hard right and I think you'll find a website you'll be more at home with.

[Genevieve]

179. buh bye asshole

[aquarius dawning]

184. yeeeeah, that probably won't go over well around here.

[kwenu]

172. Yeah. Look at that SUSA poll. Even if it was credible its not enough to pull Hillary ahead.

Are you getting the point yet?

[AZBlue]

177. I don't believe Kentucky has ever gone for the Democratic candidate.

It's always a red state.

[Name removed]

185. Deleted message

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[AZBlue]

187. Welcome to DU!!!

:hi:

And, you have my sympathy!

[xmas74]

198. Carter and Clinton both won in Kentucky.

Kentucky used to lean to the Dem party but was lost in 2000 and 2004, as was quite a bit of the country.

Depending on the candidate Kentucky will swing back. I read somewhere in the past few days that nearly 60% of registered voters in KY were registered as Dems. I wish I'd bookmarked that link.

[TK421]

178. Who cares about Kentucky?

:sarcasm:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

192. will she ever get to Kentucky?

[Zachstar]

194. I hate to say this but Kentucky is very very likely going to be a Clinton win.

Now of course it will be much smaller than this once Obama starts to campaign there. And the net delegate gain from Oregon will mean that Obama gets a net delegate gain for the day.

However, Kentucky while not being a Clinton firewall like PA, Has so many advantages for Clinton that and serious political challenges for Obama that we will have to work HARD to keep that day from being a Clinton blowout.

Now everything is going to depend on the results of PA. If he keeps it within 10 he will be pretty strong going into may.

He is going to need to need to win May 6 and the both the states.

Now at this point things are going to get interesting.

West Virginia is another Clinton advantage state. He is going to need to work hard to keep it from being a blowout. I think this is possible.

Around this time I think that Clinton's superdelegate lead will have reduced to near zero. This is the point I THINK she will exit the race and endorse Obama. However DO NOT assume this is true!

So Kentucky may not become a Clinton win depending on what happens. However we need to assume Clinton will work hard for a big win there so please keep up your support of Obama!



I think this is good for Obama supporters! We have a goal late in the game which keeps us active and involved!

Please continue to donate to his campaign!

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

And PLEASE continue to phonebank!!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/