We're all forgetting what forced Clinton to play her "bitter" hand so early

[Joe the Revelator]

This was ugly, and now has disappeared down the memory hole. Its important we remember that hours after this performance, Hillary leaked her outrage over a week old comment.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tngWyRHIjYU

[anonymous171]

1. She was obviously waiting until after the debate, just like the "Shame on you" incident.

[Cha]

51. The Cosmos did 'er in again then..

Now Obama will have time to make this debate about what's all out on the table..not hidden in hilary's closet.

[0007]

77. A cowgirl costume......annie oakley

My granddaddy taught me to shoot a gun when I was a little girl

[Renaissance Man]

2. Speeches

So Hillary says, "speeches don't put food on the table," eh?

Well, CAFTA apparently has given Bill $800,000 for a few speeches and lobbying for CAFTA. I wonder how much food $800,000 buys you, nowadays.

[Zachstar]

3. And Bills rebirth of Snipergate and this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x117100

[SoCalDem]

4. premature indignation

watch the blue suit, Hil

[City Lights]

5. She needs to demand a refund for those acting lessons.

That performance sucked.

[yellerpup]

75. Don't that the truth!

[gateley]

6. You gotta admit her ploy worked.

Which really fries me.

Thanks for bringing it back in focus. :hi:

[Zachstar]

15. Of course the ploy worked.

It is quite easy to make short term gain stuff happen. Much harder to remain steady and long term.

When the long term part of this hits (May) Clinton's Campaign will be in deep trouble politically.

[americanstranger]

18. Short term, yes.

But when you consider that they were hoping to roll this out in time to damage Obama's showing in the PA primary, then they had to give up the strategic upper hand in order to pull themselves out of a hole.

So it worked - but it ended up working as damage control rather than a full-on cudgel to damage O's chances in the primary.

- as

[Zachstar]

29. Well it took away any real chance of Obama winning PA However,

It wont be able to drag him back out to the 15-20 percent that Clinton had been planning on him being for months.

He will likely lose only by 3-8 percent now.

[americanstranger]

31. He's got one more shot to counter it really well.

If he hits a home run at the debate, it could tighten things up even more.

And (mixing sports metaphors here) if he lands a haymaker that points up Clinton's elitism and ties her to McCain, that could do even more damage to Clinton's fragile lead.

Not predicting a PA win here, but that was never in the cards anyway.

- as

[Zachstar]

42. He could hit a home run at the debate, However, that is risky.

Clinton is going to expect him to do so and may have material ready that keeps it a mess.

We will have to see.

[Labors of Hercules]

32. huh? Where do you get that?

"Well it took away any real chance of Obama winning PA???" How do you know that?

[Zachstar]

41. I get it from simple pollitics.

Obama was gaining in the polls but he had not effectively gotten in the lead before this.

He will have to divert time to talk about bittergate at every meeting from now on.

And some in PA will take bittergate as an excuse to vote for Clinton.

Don't worry tho. If we work hard, Clinton's net delegate count will be very small from that state at this rate.

[Window]

7. Just. Pitiful.

And that horrible cackle.:spank:

[leftofcool]

8. I miss the good old days.........when Obama was all about HOPE

Now it is all about being BITTER. Will he be changing his campaign slogans soon?

[Joe the Revelator]

9. You have no idea what you're talking about...

why can't Hillary answer a simple question?

[butterfly77]

11. I would like to know that also...

why does she have to lie in our faces and try to pretend that she is something that she is not..

[krkaufman]

63. Well, you've gotta hand it to her... at least she didn't lie *this* time.

She just cackled somewhat crazily, rhetorically asked an imaginary friend "How many angels dance on the head of a pin?", and chuckled her way through an admission that she didn't know how to answer the question.

NOT the kind of response I'd be looking for in someone picking-up a phone at 3am, eh.

[grantcart]

60. its his standard reply he puts it in every Obama thread

[jenmito]

12. Obama is all about being bitter? Or is he about giving hope to the bitter?!

The people who have been overlooked by the govt. for so long...

[gateley]

37. You nailed it. He's about giving hope to the bitter (that's me!). nt

[TLM]

19. Keep trying....

The lies and distortions have worked so well for Hillary thus far.....

[americanstranger]

20. I miss the days when Clinton supporters

tried to advance their candidate as a viable alternative to Obama. A superior candidate, if you will.

Now it's all about hoping he fucks up, implodes, destroys himself.

That's what the Clinton campaign has been reduced to. 'Vote for me, because the other guy sucks worse than I do!'

Inspiring.

- as

[knixphan]

64. Tonya Harding

[aaronbees]

23. I miss the good old days....

when the Clintons showed an ounce of integrity.

Sen. Clinton's response to a valid question: giggles, giggles, giggles.

[TahitiNut]

25. Uh-huh. Conservatives are always yearning for "the good old days."

Funny 'bout that. :shrug:

[Drunken Irishman]

26. I miss the days Democratic candidates for the party nomination didn't use Republican talking points.

You know, the same talking points that ruined the working-class in this country. I know Clinton said Reagan was one of her favorite presidents, but I didn't expect her to actually start ACTING like Reagan.

Ronald Reagan would be proud of Hillary Clinton and FDR is rolling over in his grave.

[postulater]

72. I'll drink to that.

[tekisui]

28. I'd like to see a "Time For Hillary To Go" Campaign. Starting with a loss in PA.

Obama has the ammo, it is time he use it.

End it.

[Cha]

53. It will be especially humilating..

because she won't go gracefully..she'll just have to go.

Pack up her bags and get the hell off the trail.

[butterfly77]

10. I am beginning to start feeling the same way I do about...

Bush and Cheney, I can now hardly stand to watch her. I can't believe I was supporting her in the beginning she claims she is staying in to protect us voters because she will be needed when the republicons attack, she is one of them.

In reality she is destroying herself, by staying in this long she is showing people what they don't like about her because she lies too much.

[MADem]

13. I thought the TAPE from the SF fundraiser is what drove that train. NT

[jenmito]

14. Yeah-the tape put out by the undercover Hillary supporter. n/t

[MADem]

27. He said it. What, it doesn't count if no one records it? NT

[Joe the Revelator]

30. Anyone with a brain, and a dislike of sound byte politics knows that he was speaking the truth

It only becomes a problem with Hillary and the spin doctors who want a horse race get a hold of it.

[MADem]

34. Sure, whatever you say. NT

[Joe the Revelator]

35. You can't refute the truth apparently

Its easier to just spin spin spin.

[MADem]

36. Hey, I said "Sure, whatever you say." Yet still, you pick and carp. NT

[Joe the Revelator]

40. Passive agressiveness is the lowest form of discourse.

[MADem]

46. Sure, whatever you say. NT

[nichomachus]

16. Channeling Charlton Heston

Who knew that the leader of the Million Mom March against guns is now channeling the spirit of Charlton Heston

[JVS]

17. That rapid shutter fire is when you know she's fucking up.

[smiley_glad_hands]

21. That was horrible. She needs to step aside.

But no, lets trash the progressive movement first and make it that much harder for dems.

[Renaissance Man]

22. Sniper

That photo should be entitled, "Hillary, the Sharpshooting Sniper!"

LOL

[Joe the Revelator]

24. I've never asked for "recs" before, but if there ever was something that needed to be on the

front page, its this clear reminder that all of this is manufactured bullshit.

[Bonobo]

33. This is about 1 million times more significant than "Bitter-Gate".

WAKE UP, FOLKS!

The Clinton's peddle their political influence like well, like "prostitutes". No other word for it.

Hillary wants people to think Obama is an elitist.

But they are willing to sell votes for dollars.

What else needs to be said?

[PM7nj]

38. Wow, I hadn't seen that.

She is fucking unbelievable.

[Zachstar]

43. Did you see this?

News of this got buried under bittergate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x117100

[Joe the Revelator]

45. A lot of stuff got buried under the false outrage, which is why this could still be a positive for

Obama. At the very least, this doesn't change anything.

[TahitiNut]

39. It's interesting that she again seeks refuge in right-wing anti-intellectualism.

The sneering anti-intellectualism of dismissing something as "angels dancing on the head of a pin" is very telling. It's emblematic of an attitude that dememans scholasticism ... but regards "training and education" as the solution to unemployment. Yep. It's the working class's fault for being uneducated. She seems to think an MBA is needed to ask "do you want fries with that?" (Me? I'd never think an MBA was any 'skill' whatsoever.)

She's an ass. A complete and utter ass.

[Cali_Democrat]

44. This woman always laughs off every important question posed to her

[jbnow]

57. But I wonder how she answered after she got over

the laughter. All the clips I've seen stop at that point so I don't know what she said.

I have to admit I didn't search hard. I usually do because you need context. She clearly was starting to say something at the end. Maybe it was "I won't answer" or maybe she did try to answer. I kept think one of her supporters would find the text of the speech.
But the truth is I don't care enough to look anymore.

I hope for her sake that she did give an answer after the laugh.

[Bake]

47. Down the memory hole?

Is that why they're still talking about it on the Sunday talk shows?

Bake

[DangerousRhythm]

48. Holy crap! WTF was that?!

I never saw that footage and wow does it make her look BAD. No wonder she had a case of premature fauxrage this week. It must have hurt to have to shoot her shot early to cover THAT mess up. Man, the more I see of her the more disillusioned I get. Thanks for the link and the reminder.. I'm recommending this thread. Everyone should see that video.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

49. Also, Bill mentioning the sniper-fire incident again.

[bowens43]

50. No one's forgetting....

but she's seen as such a clown now that it doesn't matter. She's no longer a serious candidate, actually she never was.

[psychopomp]

52. Her laugh reminds me of Dumbya's chortle

and I have seen enough of that to last a lifetime.

No thanks, Sen. Clinton.

[Joe the Revelator]

54. Its even more manic then that. Its creepy

She sounds like how I would picture the joker.

[Kablooie]

55. Well now. THAT'S a strong response! THAT sure shows a leader you can trust!

I wonder if that would be her response to that 3 AM phone call?

[grantcart]

59. Senator Clinton please put the phone down

[Tatiana]

56. "I mean, how do you answer that?"

Gee, apparently, Hillary can't.

[grantcart]

58. Wosh you are 100% on tract but some folks forget that on that day there was a two-fer

Your melt down on the Colombian question was the first and Bill Clinton on Bosnia was the second:




Bill Clinton defended his wife during a stop in Boonville, Indiana Thursday


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/11/clinton.bosnia/i...




Bill Clinton continues to assist the Obama campaign by bringing up again Senator Clinton's Bosnia sniper fiasco. He also reminds the audience that she is 60 and that people that age get forgetful when up past 11:00:



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The comments follow those he made in Boonville, Indiana, on Thursday, when he strongly defended his wife over the recent coverage surrounding her 1996 Bosnia trip claims, saying the media acted as if she'd "robbed a bank."

"I got tickled the other day, a lot of the way this whole campaign has been covered has amused me, but there was a lot of fulminating because Hillary, one time late at night when she was exhausted, misstated and immediately apologized for it, what happened to her in Bosnia in 1995. Did y'all see all that? Oh, they blew it up," the former president said at a campaign event.

"You would have thought, you know, that she'd robbed a bank the way they carried on about this," he added. "And some of them, when they're 60, they'll forget something when they're tired at 11 at night, too."
clip

Senator Clinton continues to beg her husband to shut up about it


clip
Sen. Hillary Clinton wants her husband to quit talking about her trip to Bosnia in 1996, the former president said Friday.

Bill Clinton defended his wife during a stop in Boonville, Indiana Thursday.

"Hillary called me and said, "I misstated it, you said I misstated it, but you got to let me handle it because you don't remember it, either.' ... I said, 'Yes, ma'am,' " Bill Clinton said in Terre Haute, Indiana.
clip

[Kurovski]

61. And people thought the Dean scream was enough to sink him?

That was embarrassing.

I think the answer is either yes or no, Senator.

[krkaufman]

62. wow. That is *not* a good response. Almost unbalanced.

Thanks for the link.

Again... yikes!

[JackORoses]

65. we should get this to KO

He didn't talk about this on Friday. Too much bullshit in the air.

But this is too classic to ignore.

[DangerousRhythm]

67. Ha! I just said the same thing...

below your reply. I swear, this cannot get lost. It's too much of a horrible trainwreck and just needs to be seen by many more eyes. She can't get away with burying her own nearly hysterical cackle at this question. Not this time.

[DangerousRhythm]

66. Kicking and...

Error: You've already recommended that thread.

Oops. :)

I swear if this doesn't make it on Olbermann today I'll implode.

[alphafemale]

68. This needs the Bosnian sniper treatment. Put it everywhere until the MSM can't ignore it.

That is dreadful.

[Scurrilous]

69. Kick

:kick:

[FatDave]

70. I have forgotten nothing

Neither this, nor the "I don't steal cars" comment. Sadly, my memory is better than the average MSM outlet. I'm really curious to see what shows up on Countdown tonight.

[DangerousRhythm]

71. Yep, the stealing cars comment...

That's another bizarre one. How do these two things get by with little to no attention and "bitter" is GIGANTIC news? I don't really get it. Oh well.

KICK!

[leaningprog]

73. Hillary cannot lead because it interrupts her fighting.

She married a glib and handsome man who was brilliant and sleazy at
the same time. She fought for him, she gathered information and ran
a war room of handpicked and sworn to allegiance warriors. And she
went to war, against the bimbos he bedded, and every single person
or group that threatened his and her co-rulership power and status.
And she endured the most harrowing and cowering fallout from her
husbands careless habits. She became a fierce and secretive
and eminently skilled warrior, and she became comfortable and
in fact grew to love her job. It was her and Bill against
all other, and it still is. The Clintons against the world.

She is the best warrior on the field right now, she will slash
and stab and whisper and cry and shout and continue the advance
until she has achieved the kill.

But ask her to stop and to lead, to bring the non-combatants together
and make compromise and progress and to be inclusive, and she will
turn it into a polarized battle to the death as soon as possible.

Hillary knows how to destroy and defend and fight, but she does
not know how to lead. She doesn't have any experience at it and
she turns down each and every opportunity to put down her sword
and learn how. I feel sorry for her when she is not disgusting me.

[Jackpine Radical]

74. You are absolutely right.

And it seems to have worked. Too little too late, and too many other albatrosses left dangling around the neck of her sputtering campaign, but this one worked for accomplishing its limited purpose of getting Colombia off the front burner. Unfortunately for her, it has turned into a Pyrrhic victory. All the foofaraw she has created has helped to get Obama's disenfranchisement message out all the more effectively.

[ElboRuum]

76. Dumbest Political Gambit EVARRRR!

Hillary's comment paraphrased:

Obama is an elitist snob and I'm not, vote for me!

RESULT: Obama gets yet another speed bump thrown in front of him, Clinton loses cachet amongst voters who are sick of this shit, Democratic party is weakened by stupid infighting, McCain starts to look good to undecideds. Lose-lose-lose-lose.

Hillary's infinitely more politically advantageous and conspicuously unspoken potential comment paraphrased:

I am in general agreement with Obama, and while I may take issue with the way the comment was phrased, his sentiment echoes the feelings of the American working class. He just said truthfully how voters who cannot weather the economic storms caused by forces far out of their control react when their government uses them as pawns in these games rather than representing them. They DO turn to the wedge issues. They DO act against their own economic interests. They do this because they feel helpless and are willing to anchor their beliefs and their votes to things that they do have solid opinions about. And yes. People ARE bitter and they want someone who will be truly on their side rather than another empty talking head who turns their back on them once the votes are counted. Both he and I are committed to the full representation of the American people at all times, and not just when it is politically convenient.

RESULT: Obama gains cachet as 'courageous truthteller', Clinton gets points for the acknowledgement at a time critical for her to do so, Democratic party is strengthened by a show of unity, undecideds start looking away from McCain. Win-win-win-win.

Conclusion:

Either Hillary has some of the worst political strategists ever to walk the earth, or she really is willing to chop off the party's nose to spite its face.

[grantcart]

78. funny the voters didn't really notice either

[mod mom]

79. It was quite a pathetic performance. How do supporters feel about Mark Penn & Bill Clinton

making big bucks advocating for free trade for Colombia?

DID BILL CLINTON OFFER TO GIVE THE MONEY BACK? I WISH A REPORTER WOULD ASK HILLARY THIS QUESTION!

[quantass]

80. .

[snooper2]

81. Notice how fast her demeanor changes...

she goes from tight lipped to seriously listening to the whole question, then abou 23milliseconds later, HA HA Cackle Cackle HA HA swoop head left, swoop head right...

So predictable...

[PetraPooh]

82. I haven't forgotten; but Obama needs to get back on the Columbian issues AND

the recent ties to the Chinese company involved in the Tibetan fiasco. Constant gentle reminders, get it back in the news.