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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:31 PM
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So I'm a mysogynist if I don't support Hillary
but people who don't support Obama aren't racist, they just think he's a bad candidate. Is that about right? No wonder I'm down to about 15 minutes of DU per day.
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:32 PM
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1. Uh oh.
You'll be dead to them soon if you speak logic.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:32 PM
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2. Logic is a useless thing.
:D
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:44 PM
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12. That is illogical
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:47 PM
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30. if you see a pan coming your way, duck.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:32 PM
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3. Don't forget to flip that depending upon candidate preference.
In a couple of months, the line will be drawn and this place will be better.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:32 PM
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4. Yes, and to hell with you!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:33 PM
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5. No, you're a m*I*sogynist if you make jokes about women
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 02:34 PM by redqueen
by comparing them to cattle.

There's a line between comedy and being a straight-up asshole.

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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:33 PM
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6. Yep. It is so decreed throughout the land.
I'm afraid if the word gets out, I may never get laid again.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:33 PM
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7. Who said you were a misogynist if you don't support Hillary?
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 02:33 PM by Skinner
Thanks for your help.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:36 PM
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11. No specific personal attacks today.. yet..
But they happen all the time. I was actually referring to this thread with the many misogynist signs...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5457850
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:48 PM
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14. Do you think that is what those protesters are trying to say?
You are a misogynist if you don't support Hillary Clinton.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:53 PM
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18. Nobody. It's part of the "Waa! We're winning! Waa! Waa!" patrol.
Very tiring.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:37 PM
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39. Elton John did. HE HATES AMERICA!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:08 PM
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45. Elton said no such thing and you know it. STOP spreading lies!!
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:14 PM
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48. Elton John viciously attacked Democrats blaming them for Hillary's losses and accusing them of...
being sexist and Hillary stood by and didn't tell him to stop his HATE SPEECH. How could she?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:17 PM
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58. spin spin spin. hateful spin
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:09 PM
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46. this poster is clearly stating that any attack on Hillary is inherently misogynistic
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5462115


If you are simply tired of politicians lying and have had it with the Clinton's lies you are misogynistic if you call her on lying



Hillary can tell no truth

I saved the best for last. I will bet that you did not know that women have been condemned as liars for a very, very long time in this culture. Sure, Gore and Edwards were called liars. They were also called gay or less than manly. Honesty is one of the manly virtues. Women and gays are believed to dissemble, because they are weak and this is the only way that they can steal power from honest, manly men who earn it the old fashioned way, with their blood, sweat and tears. Bill Clinton is a liar never really stuck with Democrats, because he was Big Dog. If he lied, it had to be about unimportant things, like blow jobs, in order to spare his wife’s feelings. (Remember, Dear Abby always said to lie about your affairs). About the stuff that mattered, the country’s safety he would tell the truth.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:23 PM
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49. Sweet merciful crap, that's a post!
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 06:24 PM by BlueDogDemocratNH
McCamy name dropped Our Lady of Guadalupe, Cotton Mather, Medusa, Sybil, Narnia, Star Trek, Marilyn Monroe, castration, and cleavage all in a single post.

All that was missing was the Trilateral Commission and Area 51...

:tinfoilhat:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:29 PM
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50. you forgot Alexis de Tocqueville, Weber, Cash and most importantly himself
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:57 PM
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53. I need to come up with a counter-post
I can work Thomas Merton, Dwight Yoakum, Nancy Grace, the 1983 Orioles, and the Memphis Commercial-Appeal into a finely tuned argument that shows that Hillary is known member of the Stonecutters.

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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:12 PM
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59. Don't forget the Church of Our Lady of Perpetual Outrage
Absolutely Clueless sect.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:33 PM
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8. Yeah, I'm a "gender traitor" because I'm a woman for Obama ...
It's not that we're FOR a candidate, we're AGAINST the other one ... We're not
supporting Obama out of our respect for him, it's because we HATE WOMEN?

Ridiculous ... just like Sir Elton's condescending comment the other night.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:14 PM
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47. how do you think I feel
anyone who supports Obama is a homophobe

and I'm one of the biggest fags on this board!

:rofl:


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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:33 PM
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9. Ah, that's not how I see it...
...unless the disliking of HC is based on a sexist double standard.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:34 PM
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10. I'm black and don't support Obama, you do the math.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:47 PM
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13. Call me naive
I'm a 45 year old white woman who supports Obama. I honestly just see two human beings who are running for office who have different ideas and plans. I don't hate anybody and plan on voting on the candidate who wins the nomination. Don't get me wrong, I really support Obama and feel very strongly about him. I understand the passion of both sides of the supporters but the hatred, I just don't. I guess I am just weird. Or a moran.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:50 PM
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15. No, you're a misogynist if you attack her with gender-based insults.
Duh.

Same way you're a racist if you attack Obama with racist put-downs.


And yes, that includes dog-whistling, coded language, and stereotyping. In both cases. Remember that privilege includes the luxury of ignorance.

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:12 PM
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26. Post of the Day!
:thumbsup:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:14 PM
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27. Post of the Day!
:thumbsup:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:52 PM
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52.  President Clinton's recent put down comes to mind...
"What's Obama going to say next, That he doesn't steal cars?"

It's one thing for supporters to reveal sexism/racism, and an altogether more revoltin' development for a Democratic nominee's husband to engage in pushing at the edges of it with Dog Whistle statements such as that.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:51 PM
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16. You may just be your typical asshole.
Kidding. :)
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:52 PM
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17. Who said that to you?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:03 PM
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19. You betcha
Your Misogynist
(sung to Elton John's Your Song)

It's a little bit funny this feeling inside
It's not one of those who can easily hide
I don't like chicks but boy if I did
I'd make sure they serve me some barbecue ribs

If I was a sculptor, but then again, no
Or a man who watches ESPN and has a beer belly, whoa
I know it's not much but it's the best I can do
My Misogyny is like beer and this one's for you

And you can tell everybody chicks are always wrong
It may be quite simple but now that it's done
I hope you don't mind
I hope you don't mind that I put down the rules
How wonderful life is while misogyny is so cool

I sat on my roof and kicked the chicks off
Well a few of the gals well they've called me a misogynist
But the sun's been kind while I told a chick she was wrong
It's for dudes like me that keep misogyny going on

So excuse me forgetting but these things I do
You see I've forgotten if they're too loud or they're a shrew
Anyway the thing is what I really mean
Misogyny makes me feel so freakin' keen

And you can tell everybody chicks are always wrong
It may be quite simple but now that it's done
I hope you don't mind
I hope you don't mind that I put down the rules
How wonderful life is while misogyny is so cool

MIDI to sing along to:
http://www.popschoolmaastricht.nl/media/yoursong.mid
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:04 PM
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20. C'mon, you know you can transpose that for the other side.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:07 PM
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21. But you put up a great post in your 15 minutes here, walldude!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:08 PM
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22. LOOK!! Over your head!
There goes the point.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:09 PM
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23. Please define your terms
Misogyny -- a hatred of women (all women)

Sexism -- discrimination against women based on gender.

There may be some misogynists, but I think sexism is more common and results in the feeling that there are some jobs women shouldn't have.

But, please don't confuse the two. There are a lot more sexists than there are misogynists. It's safe to say that most misogynists are probably sexist, but not all sexists are misogynists.

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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:10 PM
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24. You got it!
I always thought that the reason I wasn't supporting HRC was because of her IWR vote and her piss-poor job as my senator. I'm just glad I have Elton John to set me straight on my real motives, and you should be too.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:11 PM
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25. No, you are not.
I've not seen that said here at all, although I may have missed it. If you are referring to the Elton John comment, you take it out of context.

I have no doubt that sexism and, to some extent, misogyny plays a role in this race. I am equally sure that racism plays a role. However, I reject any statement that you are a misogynist/racist if you support one candidate or the other.

If you see someone saying that, you should argue against it instead of giving it more credence by generalizing that particular mis-characterization.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:27 PM
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28. "No chick presidents, ever!"
Unless it would be scarletwoman, sfexpat2000, or omega minimo.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:48 PM
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31. Or Nance Rants! Or Plaid Adder! Or....
:-)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 04:22 PM
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35. Or helderheid, babylon sister, Kpete, Laurab, zidzi, Viva_la_Revolution,
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 04:23 PM by Kurovski
hisownpetard, Etc, etc.

Is JeffR a chick? How about you? :-)

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 05:30 PM
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36. ...myrna minx.
...and the rest who would make dynamite chick presidents.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:36 PM
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38. Use the curb to wipe it off your shoe.
:spank:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:59 PM
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41. But...
I call it my famous shoe-stew hot-mix!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:10 PM
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57. That's lovely. But it only works if there are potatoes in it.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:37 PM
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40. Boy, you're quick!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:01 PM
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42. You were there all along.
The "Babe Parade of Presidents".
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:09 PM
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56. Better than the "Parade of Horribles."
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:35 PM
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37. Et pas moi? Am I not worthy?
:shrug: :cry: :shrug:

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:03 PM
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43. Don't cry!
I'm forgetting some women here, but you're not one of them.

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:41 PM
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29. Who Said Not Supporting Hillary Makes One a Misogynist?
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 03:41 PM by Crisco
Come back and play Walldude. ... Walldude?
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:49 PM
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33. I think Skinner scared him off
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:26 PM
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54. Actually the pathetic rantings in GDP
"scared me off"...
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:49 PM
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32. no one ever said any of that.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 04:09 PM
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34. Bingo.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:07 PM
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44. Where did you get that silly notion from?
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:30 PM
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51. In HillaryLand, if the mailcarrier is late delivering Hillary's mail, he/she's misogynist. n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:44 PM
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55. You're a mysogynist. The rest of us are self-hating women
Somehow I think we'll get over it.
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