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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:38 PM
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Krugman: Hillary's health care story was essentially right
From http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/opinion/11krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin:


Health Care Horror Stories

By PAUL KRUGMAN

Published: April 11, 2008

Not long ago, a young Ohio woman named Trina Bachtel, who was having health problems while pregnant, tried to get help at a local clinic.

Unfortunately, she had previously sought care at the same clinic while uninsured and had a large unpaid balance. The clinic wouldn’t see her again unless she paid $100 per visit — which she didn’t have.

Eventually, she sought care at a hospital 30 miles away. By then, however, it was too late. Both she and the baby died.

You may think that this was an extreme case, but stories like this are common in America.

Back in 2006, The Wall Street Journal told another such story: that of a young woman named Monique White, who failed to get regular care for lupus because she lacked insurance. Then, one night, “as skin lesions spread over her body and her stomach swelled, she couldn’t sleep.”

The Journal’s report goes on: “Mama, please help me! Please take me to the E.R.,” she howled, according to her mother, Gail Deal. “O.K., let’s go,” Mrs. Deal recalls saying. “No, I can’t,” the daughter replied. “I don’t have insurance.”

She was rushed to the hospital the next day after suffering a seizure — and the hospital spared no expense on her treatment. But it all came too late; she was dead a few months later.

How can such things happen? “I mean, people have access to health care in America,” President Bush once declared. “After all, you just go to an emergency room.” Not quite.

First of all, visits to the emergency room are no substitute for regular care, which can identify and treat health problems before they get acute. And more than 40 percent of uninsured adults have no regular source of care.

Second, uninsured Americans often postpone medical care, even when they know they need it, because of expense.

Finally, while it’s true that hospitals will treat anyone who arrives in an emergency room with an acute problem — and it’s wonderful that they will — it’s also true that hospitals bill patients for emergency-room treatment. And fear of those bills often causes uninsured Americans to hesitate before seeking medical help, even in emergencies, as the Monique White story illustrates.

The end result is that the uninsured receive a lot less care than the insured. And sometimes this lack of care kills them. According to a recent estimate by the Urban Institute, the lack of health insurance leads to 27,000 preventable deaths in America each year.

But are they really preventable? Yes. Stories like those of Trina Bachtel and Monique White are common in America, but don’t happen in any other rich country — because every other advanced nation has some form of universal health insurance. We should, too.

All of which makes the media circus of a few days ago truly shameful.

Some readers may already have recognized the story of Trina Bachtel. While campaigning in Ohio, Hillary Clinton was told this story, and she took to repeating it, without naming the victim, on the campaign trail. She used it as an illustration of what’s wrong with American health care and why we need universal coverage.

Then The Washington Post identified Ms. Bachtel, the hospital where she died claimed that the story was false — and the news media went to town, accusing Mrs. Clinton of making stuff up. Instead of being a story about health care, it became a story about the candidate’s supposed problems with the truth.

In fact, Mrs. Clinton was accurately repeating the story as it was told to her — and it turns out that while some of the details were slightly off, the essentials of her story were correct. After all the fuss, The Washington Post eventually conceded that “Bachtel’s medical tragedy began with circumstances very close to the essence” of Mrs. Clinton’s account.

And even more important, Mrs. Clinton was making a valid point about the state of health care in this country.

In other words, this was a disgraceful episode. It was particularly sad to see a number of Obama supporters (though not the Obama campaign itself) join enthusiastically in the catcalls against Mrs. Clinton’s good-faith effort to put a human face on the cruelty and injustice of the American health care system.

Look, I know that many progressives have their hearts set on seeing Barack Obama get the Democratic nomination. But politics is supposed to be about more than cheering your team and jeering the other side. It’s supposed to be about changing the country for the better.

And if being a progressive means anything, it means believing that we need universal health care, so that terrible stories like those of Monique White, Trina Bachtel and the thousands of other Americans who die each year from lack of insurance become a thing of the past.

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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:44 PM
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1. Paul Krugman is terrific
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:44 PM
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2. HRC has a better health plan than Obama per Krugman's other columns
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 10:46 PM by barb162
And Obama's supporters usually like to omit this little fact.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:59 AM
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10. John and Elizabeth Edwards have both endorsed Hillary's health plan
over Obama's, for the same reason that Krugman has. Hers will cover everyone, and it is financially feasible.

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:37 AM
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21. Well, I'm the exception to the rule.
I like Clinton's plan better than Obama's. And knowing that there is going to be a titanic struggle to get universal healthcare passed, and knowing that the end result will probably not look like anybody's plan, I'm happy to see that both Democratic candidates are committed to the principle of universal healthcare coverage.

In fact, I'm hoping that Obama adopts Clinton's plan after winning the nomination.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:46 PM
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3. It wasn't just the news media who "went to town"
Sadly, they went to town whilst going out to lunch.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:51 PM
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4. "It’s supposed to be about changing the country for the better."
Does anyone disagree with that?
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Andrew99 Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:52 PM
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5. kick
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 10:53 PM by Andrew99
the large cost of health care while she was uninsured put Bachtel in a tight financial situation, which was used as an excuse to the hospital to postpone care if she didn't come up with $100. This eventually contributed to her death.

But the media is more worried about finding holes in Hillary's stories.
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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:11 PM
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6. Krugman nails it. Again.
As someone who can't get health insurance (the curse of cancer survivors everywhere), I can't emphasize how strongly I support his call for universal health care in this country.

Krugman has pointed out repeatedly in his columns that the US has both the most expensive and the most inefficient health care system of any industrialized nation. I'm generally a free market kind of guy. Let carmakers, TV manufacturers, bowling ball makers, whatever compete.

But there are some systems (mass transit, water and sewer services to name a few) that simply cannot be served by the free market. That includes basic medical care. The lack of this, what should be an fundamental right, in allegedly the greatest, most powerful nation on the planet is a global embarrassment.

K and R.....
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:14 PM
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7. Back to shallow partisanship and tiny-minded political hackery for Krugman
:boring:
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:45 PM
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9. And the most willfully ignorant comment of the day award goes to
Who should I believe? An economist published by the NYT? Or some anonymous internet maroon who majored in smilies? You be the judge.

For my part, I sincerely doubt you could find your own ass with both hands and a fucking map.

Cheers!
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:20 AM
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13. motocicelta
:thumbsup:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 06:42 AM
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15. Holee molee, the august NEW YORK TIMES? Wasn't that Judith Miller's paper?
Looks like some bumpkins are mighty easily impressed.
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:17 PM
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23. Do you have anything beyond ad hominems?
I grow weary of that style. What is the strange urge to come in and toss off juvenile attacks that utterly lack substance? You know nothing of me, and, I think, nothing of Krugman, and you choose to belittle he and I as if you were an insolent teenager. I attacked you for this, and I in fact did have substance: you are no one, as far as I can tell, and Krugman has credentials. Or do you think that the NYT is worth nothing? Certainly it is not perfect, but only a fool would consider its stamp of approval less valuable than an anonymous internet poster.

In other words, I still don't think you could find your own ass with both hands and a map. Night night, little person.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:01 AM
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11. Back to doing his job as a thoughtful, professional economist. n/t
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 06:45 AM
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16. Well then he should have included the part about Hillary being $292K behind
in her campaign's health insurance premiums, and how much fun the Republicans would have with that fact in the highly unlikely event that she makes it to the general. Then again, political reality never was Krugman's strong suit.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:06 AM
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17. I'm an Obama voter who supports Krugman's criticism of Obama
Krugman is right. I despise Hillary for a lot of things, but her plan is closer to universal health care than Obama's. Hopefully, Congress will correct Obama's plan when it gets debated there.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:19 AM
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19. Unfortunately, across-the-board mandates are political death in this country
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 07:20 AM by BeyondGeography
Until government proves to voters that it can lower costs across-the-board, universal mandates won't even be contemplated legislatively. Obama has the political reality of health care and the pacing of how we get to universal care down pat. Edwards and Clinton wrote plans that score higher in terms of ideological purity, but have a hair's width chance of ever being taken seriously by Congress.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:36 AM
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20. yes, yawn to your post
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:20 PM
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8. Wait - I thought the official story was that this was another Hillary lie.
If people keep proving that Hillary is usually truthful in what she says, what's that going to do to Obama supporters who MUST believe HRC is dishonest in order to properly disrepect her?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:13 AM
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12. How will Hillary's plan for universal health INSURANCE fix this problem?
I shake my head at this argument. YES the state of our health care in this country is bad, but universal health insurance doesn't do anything.

There is a woman who lost her job at Aloha Airlines, who cannot pay for her MS drugs unless she gets double coverage from her AND her husband's policy.

She lost her job and her husband's policy pays only 80% of the over $5000/mo her medicine costs.

This is from the article:

Papapa went to Kuakini Medical Center's emergency room in May suffering from severe dehydration. In August, following CAT scans and MRIs, doctors diagnosed the white spots on her brain as relapsing remitting multiple sclerosis.

"There is no cure," she said.

She soon experienced anxiety attacks, growing numbness in her left leg and the fear that her disease could degenerate into paralysis and blindness.

Papapa and her husband, Clayton, also worried about their three kids — ages 14, 11 and 7.

"We wondered if we should tell the children, how we should tell them," she said.

Papapa cut back to working part-time for Aloha in December to keep up with lab and doctor appointments.

The couple's middle child, sixth-grader Cori, dived into her mother's healthcare, injecting Papapa three times a week with a drug called Rebif.

"Mommy cries," Cori said this week, as she demonstrated the process of injecting her mother in their home in Hawai'i Kai. "She puts her head in the pillow and tries not to scream. But she does scream."

"It burns for some reason," Papapa said. "It's really painful."

When Aloha Airlines closed, Papapa worried about meeting expenses, so she asked her doctors if she could stop taking Rebif, which costs $5,246 a month.

The medication had been fully covered through the combination of health coverage provided by Aloha and Clayton's job. Without the Aloha health coverage, Clayton's health plan only pays 80 percent of Lisa's medications, forcing the Papapas to pay $1,049 a month.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008804090434
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 06:37 AM
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14. Anyone else sick to freaking death of the universal health INSURANCE debate?
This is not what the majority of Americans want. The insurance companies caused the problem, they continue to allow people to die by denying coverage and charging huge deductibles and now both of our candidates are debating the best way to reward them with 47 million more customers. Amazing. Neither candidate has a universal health CARE plan. Sometimes I actually think McCain would get us to universal health care faster by instituting his nightmarish policies and causing Americans to go absolutely ballistic and demand a Canadian-style plan.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:08 AM
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18. Obama-ites, on your knees and apologize.
Go ahead, we won't make fun of you. Not very much, that is. :bounce:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:48 AM
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22. another stupid and pointless generalization
I'm an "Obama-ite" who defended Hillary on this, and who often agrees with Krugman. I'm undecided on who's healthcare plan I think is least bad. And both of them are very, very similar and are taken largely from Hacker's work. You know who he is, right?

Now get on your knees and apologize humbly to ME.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 05:07 PM
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24. It would have required no effort at all to get the details right as well
So why didn't she do it?
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