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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:37 PM
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Clinton may win 8 of the final 9 contests
For folks who are "convinced" it is "over" Camp Obama sure is nervous. The reason is at heart they know it isn't over and Clinton has a great chance at closing strong. Let's look at the final states plus Puerto Rico.

4/22

Pennsylvania

This looks like it will be Ohio redux. Obama surges after flooding the airwaves, like Romney did in Iowa and New Hampshire and Obama himself did in Texas and Ohio, but at some point the effect of ads "maxes out". We seem to have reached that point. What happened in Ohio and Texas is after that point Obama actually lost ground in the final week. This is likely to happen in Pennsylvania. The underfunded Clinton, whose base is working class, cannot match Obama in advertising but she can budget her resources and come close to him in the final week or so. This is what happened in Ohio. Obama outspent her 3:1 but they were pretty much even in the final two weeks. Why is this important? Ask John Edwards. He didn't run ads until very late in Iowa. The reason is the vast majority of undecided voters make a decision in the final 2 weeks. They are not as influenced by an ad blitz one month out. Most people don't even pay attention until then. Pennsylvania has been discussed ad nauseum so there is no need to get in depth about it in this thread.

5/6

North Carolina

The only way Clinton can win NC is if she wins Pennsylvania big and has a good two weeks heading into the primary. Why is she so weak? Ask any Obamite. They like to acknowledge demographics and the role they play in voting--when it is convenient to Obama. About one third of the Democratic primary electorate in North Carolina will be black. In the last primary Obama got 90% black support. Basically, given this, the only way Clinton can win North Carolina is if she wins about 70% of the white vote, something she has done in only a handful of states: Arkansas, Mississippi, and Alabama. In Tennessee she won 67% but Edwards got 6% but it is safe to say in a two-way race she would have gotten past the 70% mark in Tennessee as well. (In contrast Obama has gotten over 70% of the black vote in 41 of 42 states. The exception is New York where he won the black vote 61-37. Post-swiftboating he routinely gets over 80%.) The only thing that makes it semi-possible for Clinton is that of the four states where she won at such a rate they were all southern state, although Arkansas was an exception for obvious reasons. Trends also give her a sliver of hope. She won 75% in Mississippi and 63% in Ohio. A Clinton win in North Carolina would be an upset on par with her New Hampshire upset but don't bet on her winning. Obama should be able to get about 35% of the white vote and that will be enough.

Indiana

Clinton is the favorite in this state, despite Obama's regional advantage and the spillover from the Chicago media in one third of the state. Obama would have no shot in Indiana if it weren't for his regional advantage and the Chicago spillover. The demographics are great for Clinton and she dominated in the Ohio counties that border Indiana. 9 counties in Ohio border Indiana and Clinton won 8. The one Obama won? You guessed it: Cincinnati. If she somehow loses Indiana she is in big trouble but with momentum from Pennsylvania her losing Indiana is almost as unlikely as Obama losing North Carolina.

5/13

West Virginia

This is to Clinton what Mississippi was to Obama. After losing 3/4 Obama rebounded with a big win in Mississippi. Similarly, the msm vultures will be in the air after 5/6 if she loses North Carolina. West Virginia will end that. More importantly, it would, along with Pennsylvania and perhaps Indiana, help lead to a very dangerous narrative for Obama as it relates to his electability. Superdelegates are not naive. They are watching the returns for signs of electability. To put it simply, if Obama keeps getting less than 40% of the white vote the rest of the way that will greatly diminish his chances with superdelegates. Still, no one expects Obama to win West Virginia. The state is 95-96% white and predominantly working class. It is as bad a state for Obama as Mississippi was for Clinton. Right now Clinton has a 2:1 lead over Obama in West Virginia in the Rasmussen and a 37-22 lead in ARG. ARG is joke and so is that poll. 37-22 with 13% undecided. What about the remaining 28% ARG? Her lead may not be as large as Rasmussen shows but she should win this state comfortably.

Nebraska also holds a non-binding primary on this day. The significance of that is it will offer further evidence that caucuses are a sham. Obama won the Washington caucus 68-31 but the Washington primary only 50-47. Similarly, he won the same day Texas caucus 56-44 despite losing the Texas primary 51-47. Nebraska will offer further evidence that caucuses disenfranchise voters--and those voters happen to be Clinton's base: working folks, seniors, military folks, and immigrants. Clinton's backers will be sure to point to the discrepancy between primary results and caucus results in Nebraska, Washington, and Texas when making their case to superdelegates.

5/20

Kentucky

This is a good state for Clinton for many of the same reasons as West Virginia. Currently she leads 2:1, 58-29, in a SUSA poll. This goes to the previous issue. Obama is getting 23% white support in Kentucky. Obama's performance in this state is disappointing, though, since he is from Illinois. He has a regional advantage and is still getting clobbered there.

Oregon

This state has always been presumed to be an Obama state. This is in significant degree due to Obama winning Washington. However, as explained above, that was in a sham caucus. He won the primary only 50-47. Oregon is a primary and the only recent poll there has him up only 52-42. If Clinton enters Oregon with a head of steam from winning Pennsylvania, Indiana, and then winning West Virginia the previous week she could easily erase that lead and win Oregon. Oregon is Obama's known chance to win after North Carolina...

6/1

Puerto Rico

This is a wild card, not for the outcome, though. Clinton should win easily here. The question is how many people will vote? 1 million people voted for a non-voting delegate to Congress in Puerto Rico. It would not be a surprise if as many as 2 million show up to have a chance to pick a president. How big the turnout is will be crucial in determining whether Clinton can surpass Obama in the overall popular vote. Right now she trails by about 400,000 enfranchising Florida. There is no polling for PR. How stateside Puerto Ricans vote is not a great predictor of how those in PR will vote but it is the only thing we can look to for an idea of how this territory will vote. US Puerto Ricans are concentrated in two states: New York and New Jersey. New York is one of Clinton's home states so we can't read too much into the result there. In New Jersey most Latinos are Puerto Rican. Clinton won Latinos in New Jersey 68-30. If she can come anywhere near that it will be huge for her battle to win the popular vote.

6/3

South Dakota, Montana

There is no polling for either state right now. They are also assumed to be good Obama states. Like Oregon, this is to a large degree because Obama won big in Idaho, Wyoming, and North Dakota. However, like Washington these nearby states all had sham caucuses. South Dakota and Montana will have primaries. If Clinton heads into 6/3 having won Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, Puerto Rico, and perhaps also Oregon she has an excellent chance of using that momentum to sweep to two wins in the final two states, just as momentum lifted Obama to a big win in Wisconsin, a state he probably otherwise would have lost or barely won.

Conclusion

She has a very good chance of winning five of the next seven (let's put SD and MT on the backburner right now since there is no data for them). Even if she loses Oregon that would be an impressive streak and would shatter Obama's "inevitable" image. If she can keep Obama below the 40% mark with white voters and cane him in Puerto Rico that would raise questions in the eyes of superdelegates with respect to Obama's inability to win white and Latino votes. The latter has been overlooked but that is a mistake. McSame would win a significant share of the Latino vote against Obama and for someone who would almost certainly do worse with whites than Kerry did it is hard to see how he wins if he can't somehow get 70% of the Latino vote to offset white defections, if we assume a rosy scenario under which Obama gets only 2-3% less white votes tha Kerry did (Kerry lost this group 41-58).

The calls for Clinton to withdraw are as absurd as demanding that Kansas quit the game because it was down 9 points in the fourth quarter. Many of Clinton's best states are yet to come. Why should she quit now before she can add some certain points to the scoreboard? This would be like Obama quitting after Super Tuesday with sham caucuses coming up in Kansas, Washington, a primary in Louisiana and then Virginia, Maryland, and DC all within a week.
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:38 PM
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1. He should just quit now.
This contest is over.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:39 PM
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3. If he doesn't it proves he is intent on destroying the party.
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:41 PM
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6. How dare he win against her?
I mean, afterall, it's not like he dodged Bosnian sniper fire. Who the fuck does he think he is?
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:42 PM
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9. ROFL
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:47 PM
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25. Obama has an insurmountable lead...the Clinton Machine has gotten their ass kicked
One day you'll realize it. The Clintons are so 20th Century. Time to move on, brother.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:44 PM
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97. I suppose if this blather doesn't work there is the pixie stix stratagem.
And then there is the Going over Dover strategy and the Dance Until you Drop strategy. I suppose I could also toss in the Pull it out of your ass strategy too. Anything is possible I am sure. :+
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:55 AM
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117. LOL!!
:rofl:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:23 AM
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165. that is entirely untrue.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:54 PM
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44. He should step aside!
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:09 PM
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70. BO was intent on destroying the party BEFORE the primaries began.
I still believe HIS INTENT will be defeated and BO will fade into obscurity.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:20 PM
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86. Wow....
You guys are off the deep end now.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:45 PM
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132. Obama was intent on destroying the party way before Hillary was
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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:57 PM
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136. SO YOU ADMIT SHE'S INTENT ON DESTROYING THE PARTY?
:rofl:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:10 PM
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73. !!!!!!!
:spray:

What is that I smell... irony?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:13 PM
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76. lol, nt
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:19 PM
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85. BWHAAAHAHAHHAAAAHAHAHAAA!
That was great!
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:58 PM
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137. Yep, HE'S the one intent on destroying the party.
After all, he's the one who all but endorsed McCain over a Democrat.


Wait, that's not right.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:00 AM
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161. the last days in the bunker, spring of '45....
perhaps deitrich will cross the rhine with 3 divisions of superdelegates and then...

oh yeah, you guys are crazy...
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:44 PM
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131. I dont know why Obama is dragging it on
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 08:46 PM by FogerRox
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:35 PM
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149. That works for me... Hillary for President 2008!
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:38 PM
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2. I disagree with you.
Clinton will be gone before NC - thus automatically losing all remaining primaries/caucuses after PA - she has no more money and if she doesn't get that 'blowout' win as described, then the fund raising will stall for her - she's already deep in the red, and I'm waiting for the April 20th FEC report to see how much she really raised for the primaries.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:40 PM
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4. interesting
but i don't know
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:41 PM
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5. Obama will definitely win NC,OR,MT, and SD. He will most likely win Indiana.
And he may just snipe PA right out from under Hillary.

After May 6, the Superdelegates will have their definitive conclusion.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:42 PM
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11. There is no data for MT and SD, although Daschle (TD="change in DC") is an asset in SD
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 08:43 PM by jackson_dem
He also has Johnson, another DLC member, in his corner in SD. However if he loses 5 of 7 or 6 of 7 going into MT/SD he will likely lose both.

Oregon isn't a lock. He will probably lose Indiana if Clinton wins Pennsylvania. If she loses PA Indiana won't matter anyway/
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:46 PM
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20. you mean the way Hillary lost
OH, TX and RI after losing 11 straight?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:11 PM
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125. It's been certified--Obama won Texas
with a 99-95 majority of the delegates.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:01 PM
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59. jackson_dem - many moons ago I asked for evidence that Obama is DLC
And you keep failing to provide it - the only link with DLC is that he's on the top 100 rising stars of the Democratic Party released by DLC, that does _NOT_ make him DLC.

Hillary is DLC through and through and is even featured on their Leadership page: http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=137

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:07 PM
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67. And that should tell you something
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:48 PM
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123. Good lord! Obama is DLC?
You think OBAMA IS DLC? You're anti-DLC and pro-Hillary? OK, you're obviously anti-sanity too then. I have long suspected as much, but man, it's still shocking to have it presented so bluntly.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:41 PM
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7. Sham caucuses.
Allow me to take this opportunity to link to MST3K alum Mike Nelson riffing on Hillary's "Caucusing is Easy!" video-- back before she considered them to be fundamentally unfair.

Enjoy.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXK0WyUA1K8
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:07 PM
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66. LOL, great
"You just stand there and shout out a random number".
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:10 PM
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72. Texas, Washington and probably Nebraska too will offer prima facie evidence they are a sham
Especially with 1.9-3% turnout in some...In contrast Florida had 34% turnout, 7th among the 42 states that have voted thus far.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:13 PM
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78. Of course, they only became a sham starting on January 4th.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:22 PM
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87. They always were. This is just the first time a candidate built his margin on sham caucuses
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:42 PM
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8. In the unlikely event she did, she still would not have enough delegates anyway
She has a 3% chance to doing what you forecast.

Obama is going to take Pennsylvania by 3-5%, North Carolina by over 10%, Indiana by 3-5% and it won't even matter after that. Bookmark this. PM me if you want to wager some cash.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:43 PM
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14. Neither will Obama
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:50 PM
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33. Obama will have the most popular votes, the most delegates and soon, the most superdelegates
It's over, dude.

You'll find out eventually. We're way ahead of you, no pun intended.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:48 PM
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28. How can you be so sure about Pennsylvania
remember how our hopes were raised regarding Texas ? only to be let down.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:03 PM
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61. A lot of new issues have cropped up that hurt the Clinton campaign
Penn. Bill and Colombia. NAFTA records showing Hillary was fighting FOR it while First Lady. Snipergate.

Obama has chopped off a 20+% poll lead from Hillary and is on a roll. In the event that Hillary wins, she will get 82-83 delegates to Obama's 75-77 delegates based on numbers now. That would give her less than 6-7 delegates to add as advantage over Obama, who she is losing by over 130 or so.

That said, Obama will take PA by a small amount and could create a superdelegate rush to his side and thus her demise.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:05 PM
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64. I hope your prediction materialises
But I learned not to get my hopes up too much
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:49 PM
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133. Obama won Texas, see link upthread
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:42 PM
Original message
A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination.
That's the signpost up ahead - your next stop, the Twilight Zone! ...

:rofl: :rofl:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:44 PM
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17. I presented facts, figures and reasoning. What is your scenario?
Kool aid says Obama is ordained to win all of these states?
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:53 PM
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41. lol
You are awesome :toast:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:17 PM
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81. It's impressive how Obama has inspired HOPE in so many.
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 09:19 PM by TahitiNut
Including you, apparently. :shrug:

You presented speculation, spin, cherry-picking, and prognostication. Race tracks just love that. Visit one and try it out.

:rofl:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:32 PM
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102. Nothing to offer, as usual.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:02 AM
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103. Yes ... I can see from your Journal that you don't. There's no need for you to remind us.
:shrug: (Wipe the drool off your chin, sweetie.)
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:50 PM
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134. Touche~.... LOL. Good on ya Tahiti
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:42 PM
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10. K & R
:loveya:
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:43 PM
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12. And she might not.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:43 PM
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13. Pigs may fly
and I *might* win the lottery. Desperate and pathetic are all you
know how to do.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:43 PM
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15. Hillary has to win NC. Stephanopolis said Democrats have concluded she has to win Pa big and win
NC and IN to stay in. If Obama splits the May 6th states, there will be a swarm because all the big states will have voted. Maybe he doesnt know what he's talking about.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:51 PM
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35. The msm=Obama shills. She has almost no shot to win NC because O played the race card
Basically no one expects her to win North Carolina. How is she going to get 70% of the white vote? The black vote is rock solid for Obama so trying to get 25-30% of the black vote is not an option. She did that in one of 42 states: New York. Even in Arkansas she did poorly with black voters.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:57 PM
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50. well I'm just stating what Stephanopolis said, and he probably has a little knowledge
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 08:58 PM by loveangelc
on the thinking of superdelegates....

Everyone in the media has said that she needs and upset in NC, and if she doesn't win it, I think the media should call it like it is and say she really should drop out...
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:27 PM
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127. I'm still waiting for someone to explain how Obama "played the race card."
It's a cute, but meaningless phrase that was trotted out for Johnnie Cochran in the O.J. Simpson trial. Now we're stuck with it forever, even among Democrats, that are supposed to be the party that encourages African American votes.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:43 PM
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16. 5 of 9 is a very safe bet.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:44 PM
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18. K & R!
This thing is not over yet.
I have found it strange that so many of Obama's supporters have called for her to drop out.
That includes Pat Leahy :puke: and Chris Dodd :puke:

This could be why.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:45 PM
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19. Shit
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 08:52 PM by Jake3463
:sarcasm: I'm so disheartened I'm going to quit working in PA.

Hint asshole...(caucuses are shams pissed me off)

PA is not Ohio...two totally different states with two different voting histories

Kentucky and Illinois aren't in the same region. (seems I was wrong here I'll keep it on to show my own stupidity)

Indiana polls are 49-46 not the 20 point lead he has in NC so I don't know where you get she has Indiana locked up (Stand by this)

He's going to kick her ass in the western states...he has everywhere else.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:47 PM
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24. You need a map. Kentucky borders Illinois
She is up 9 in Indiana in the line Indiana poll. She would win it if she won Pennsylvania. Momentum matters.

Pennsylvania's voting history is very similar to Ohio.

Funny. You see cognitive dissonance caused by data and you throw out "asshole". Just like a member of a ____.... :rofl:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:51 PM
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34. I'm tired
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 08:55 PM by Jake3463
and I mispeak when I'm tired.

KY does border IL...wow and I won the geography bee in 8th grade...either I killed brain cells in college or my classmates were really stupid

PA has voted for a democrat since 1988. Ohio voted for Bush in both 2000 and 2004.

PA is a lot different than Ohio. Pittsburg is similar to Ohio that's about it.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:59 PM
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53. You have to look at the margins. The difference between OH and PA in 2004 was only 4 points
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:01 PM
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60. PA IS NOT OHIO
They may be similar but they are not the same.

The eastern part of PA looks like nothing in Ohio...west of Harrisburg I understand the Ohio comparisons but east of there its a totally different population.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:14 PM
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79. Yeah...East PA looks like ....
NY & NJ. Very encouraging!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:18 PM
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84. Or
DE and MD in the south....There are a lot of NYers in the north eastern part of the state who have moved because housing is cheaper.

Philadelphia and its subburbs would be more a comparison of DC and Virginia demographically.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:54 PM
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43. southern illinois is closer to kentucky
in demographics than the rest of illinois...scotch-irish hill folk from Appalachia
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:46 PM
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21. And Monkies My Fly Out My Butt
Both events are, however, unlikely.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:55 PM
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45. That'll hurt!
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:56 PM
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48. He's spending more than any candidate ever in PA, and it's still coming back to her.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:08 PM
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68. You're ignoring the fact that he's made a huge dent in her lead. eom
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:59 PM
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100. better be careful. you know the obama camp had problems with monkeys
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:47 PM
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22. The washington primary was symbolic... like FL and MI...
Clinton supporters have no clue as to how democracy works... I'll spell it out.. if...people...are told.. that an election... is symbolic... you can't take... the results.. seriously.. got it


Unlike you I have a link to back my rantings: BAM



http://www.dcourage.com/a/2008/04/new_study_shows_obama_would_ha.php
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:23 PM
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88. The funny part is the WA primary probably had higher turnout than the sham caucus...
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:28 PM
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92. I doubt that very much
I didn't bother voting the primary ballot myself, since I knew it did not count, which it also said right on the ballot envelope.

The Repukes split their delegates between the primary and their caucus, otherwise the state wouldn't bother with it at all.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:47 PM
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98. How many Dems voted? 400k or so with half of precincts in I believe
How many people voted in the caucus with turnout around 2-5%?
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:08 AM
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104. I can say for a fact that in my precinct, the turnout was easily double that of the 2004 caucus.
I don't have the exact numbers in front of me (this was early February), but it was an excellent turnout in my estimation, and the same was said about other precincts throughout the state, on this board, and among people I've talked to since from all over the state.

Like others have said, Hillbots only started hating caucuses when Hillary started losing them. Oddly enough, she only seems to win states where machines are used. Why is that?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:47 PM
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23. Not good enough. She has to win all 9 and by
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:48 PM
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27. That is a myth. If that were so the supers would end this tomorrow
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:48 PM
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29. No it's math. n/t
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:50 PM
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32. Math: Obama won't get to 2,024 either
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:52 PM
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37. Math he needs 160 delegates less than Hillary, and that margin will likely widen.
Hillary, on the other hand needs to achieve huge wins because without them not even the superdelegates can make up her margin.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:55 PM
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46. She will, if things go well, need about 60% of the supers that are outstanding
That is doable especially if Obama gets clobbered among Latinos in PR and keeps getting less than 40% of the white vote.

PS, how does a candidate win with 41% of the white vote and only 56% of the Latino vote? Ask Kerry how that works and it is hard to see Obama matching Kerry's performance with whites, perhaps even with Latinos since McSame is more popular with latinos than Bush was.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:58 PM
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51. She will need 62% of the superdelegates if she wins all ten by the margins indicated previously, and
that's with Obama leading in pledged delegates.

Your fantasy!

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:01 PM
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58. If Obama is clearly unelectable how many sd's will go with him?
Some may still do it because O losing in 2012 may be better for the party long-term than the supers giving it to Clinton and us winning the White House but doing permanent damage with the black vote. The data is not in on this. Right now Hill would safely win at least 70% of the black vote, probably more like 80% when it is all said and done and O endorses her.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:05 PM
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65. Since Hillary is losing no one cares about make believe. n/t
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:09 PM
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69. Do you care about Democratic victory in November?
I know you supported Kerry so perhaps you care more about your candidate winning than keeping the rethugs out. ;)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:18 PM
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83. Hillary can't win, not the primary. Losing the primary is a sure sign that
she will not be the Dem. nominee.

Do you care about reality?

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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:09 AM
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105. Don't know, but the trends certainly indicate some kind of
Obamatronic fever sweeping through minds of the superdelegates since February 5. It has continued even after OH and FL voted, which are two of the three states that make up the USA (PA being the only other one). It's your job to convince them all that they're making a huge mistake at this point. But until Clinton supporters are able to do that, it looks like it's not going to happen for her.
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:33 PM
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129. Because it's a primary, not a GE...
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 08:36 PM by jonestonesusa
A given number of white voters will not vote for any African American candidate, and some Democrats will vote against the party if Obama's the nominee. His success will depend on his appeal to his base voters (strong Democrats, African Americans, young voters) and his ability to win support among swing voters (white women, disillusioned Republicans, working class white men). There's no guarantee he'll be able to do that - it will take all-out effort and a well-planned campaign, just like it has taken to gain a substantial lead on the wife of the former President, a well-known and popular but controversial Democrat.

Plus, as does the MSM, when you make your point about Obama's support among white Democratic voters, you cherry pick the states, leaving out states Obama has won a vast majority of white Democratic votes (Idaho, Nebraska, Utah, Vermont, etc.) or close to a majority (Virginia). Why do you leave these states out - without accounting for them, your argument about Obama and the black vote isn't sound.

I doubt you have a crystal ball, and neither do I. So I'm voting my conscience and working for change. It's your choice whether to join the effort to win if Obama gets the nomination, or not.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:24 PM
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90. your false assumption is that the supers will remain where they are
when in fact, once its clear she's finally lost, they'll shift en masse to Obama. Watch it happen.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:11 AM
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107. Funny how the person who is making the argument about delegates being able to switch
is the one who is losing the delegates already picked up, while the one not making the argument is actually benefiting from said phenomenon.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:49 PM
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30. oh no ...."don`t blind them by science"!
:hi: :woohoo: :hi:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:47 PM
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26. cool that will mean
he can come back to illinois and be my senator! yes!...
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:50 PM
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31. It's over. Nice try.
You're grasping at straws, and you're way too smart not to know it.

The race is over. There is no way Hillary gets the nomination without a monumental disaster. And I mean 1968, unfortunately.

She doesn't have to withdraw, but I think she will, and soon.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:52 PM
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38. If it is "over" it would be over because the supers would end it tomorrow
They are unsure about bama and the reasons I listed above are a big reason why. Is Obama electable?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:00 PM
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56. Yes. But I appreciate your posts to the contrary.
You know your history and you haven't put me on ignore, like all the other Hillary backers. Of course he's electable, but as a history buff, you know damned well that so many things can happen between now and November. Your analysis was cogent and I respect that, but I can't see that happening. I for one am tired of criticizing Hillary (even though I haven't done that much of it). I just want to move on to the GE at this point. It will be Barack, but there is much else to worry about in 2008, my friend. . .
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:52 PM
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36. No wonder BO plays so dirty --- NT
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:52 PM
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39. Bookmarking!!! Remands me of Jlake's "Hillary will win Mississippi"
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:53 PM
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42. She had no shot. MS has the highest black population of any state and O won them 90-10
I am not saying she will win 8 of 9. All I am saying is she has a shot. The only ones I would predict as likely wins are PA, IN, WV, KY, and PR.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:04 PM
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63. Awww...I miss jlake!
You have to admit, if nothing else, his OPs served as comic relief. :)
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:52 PM
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40. K & R for the Goddess of Peace!
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:55 PM
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47. UNBLOCK may win 8 of the 9 final contests
but don't bet the farm on it.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:57 PM
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49. Hillary will win 4, and Obama will win 4. Puerto Rico is a toss up.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:58 PM
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52. Hey, Jackson
You gonna come on board when this is all said and done?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:00 PM
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55. Of course. Will you?
;)
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:01 PM
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57. Damn right!
My friend! Either way.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:03 PM
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62. Us Obama supporters will welcome you with open arms.
So glad to hear you voice your support for the Democratic nominee!
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:18 PM
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82. Damn, Jackson
I'm proud of you. I had you pegged as a "sit this one out' IF you lost.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:59 PM
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54. What a pile of crap ...not one link to any facts ...just more bull shit as usual..
Time for another addition to the ol ignore list.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:56 PM
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135. AS much as I think Jackson is delusional, its an opinion piece
and its fairly well written, a lot of time went into it.
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:10 PM
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71. Are You Being Punished By The Gods?
Condemned, like Sisyphus reborn, to roll the boulder of Clinton Credibility
up Obama Mountain every day only to see it slip back down with each news cycle?
Or maybe it's Oedipus you remind me of?
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Monty__ Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:11 PM
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74. The primaries are still going on?
Who knew?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:11 PM
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75. Excellent Analysis!
nt
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:01 PM
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101. For one so high on drugs!
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:13 PM
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77. Are you nuts? I mean really?
I have mental health issues and we can usually smell our own. In my professional opinion y'all are much more fucked up than I am.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:15 PM
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80. We're not nervous. We're tired of you trying to kneecap our nominee.
Please remember that she could win EVERY REMAINING STATE by TWENTY POINTS, and she STILL LOSES.
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chill factor Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:24 PM
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89. I do believe it is over.....
In order for Hillary to win, she needs to pull 65% of the vote in PA, and 64% of the votes in the remaining states to take the lead in pledged delegates. That is not going to happen. And, no, Senator Obama is not going to assume that he has won.He will be involved until the nomination is locked up. :woohoo:
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:28 PM
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91. "May" "Could" "Should" This in nothing but wishful thinking. If wishes were horses.....
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:30 PM
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93. Hey look! It's monkeys flying out of my ass!
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:32 PM
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94. Oh good god is this another AOL poll?
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:33 PM
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95. And if a bullfrog had side pockets, he'd carry a hand gun
n/t
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:40 PM
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96. You're high
She's going to win, at most, 4 of the next 8.

I think the Obama train's going to FLATTEN her in Oregon, North Carolina, Montana, and South Dakota.

I'm putting Indiana as a toss-up.

And what's more, even if she got 60% in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Kentucky, she would still be down 1642 to 1727, and that's WITHOUT factoring in any Obama wins or superdelegates.

Hope that crack is mighty fine, and that your dealer has laid in a good supply, 'cause you're going to be needing it in the weeks ahead.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:59 PM
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99. Your "Ifs and Buts" can easily be turned around and used against HRC
This is quite a silly post as it uses conjecture and polls which have consistently been proven wrong.

I can just as easily use the current narrowing of polls in PA to imply that Obama will come really close in PA, even if he loses, which is sufficient to propel him to a blow-out victory in NC and so and so forth.

The truth of the matter is that NO ONE KNOWS what will happen and nobody would want her to quit if she would resist promoting the Repubs over her own Democratic rival. That is handing McCain a loaded gun and if there is one thing that war-mongerer knows how to do, its how to fire a gun.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:09 AM
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106. She better win them all by 30%
Or this fantasy will all be in vain.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:16 AM
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108. K&R!
The momentum is changing!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:46 AM
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109. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa!
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 12:47 AM by progressoid
edited: Sorry...I thought this was supposed to be a humorous thread. Didn't realize you were serious.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:05 AM
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110. Thanks I needed a good laugh !

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"Clinton may win 8 of the final 9 contests"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:06 AM
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111. LOL. K&R to give everyone a good laugh.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:14 AM
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112. No way Hillary will win in Oregon
It's state full of latte-sipping, Birkenstock-wearing Prius drivers.

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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:24 AM
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113. I was close to taking this seriously
but then I saw it was written by jackson_dem.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:36 AM
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114. i just want a democratic nominee we can get behind
instead of fighting each other.

either Obama or Clinton will be better than the repug shit
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:51 AM
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115. Rofl, have you been sham caucusing before? Sham caucusing is easy!
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 01:53 AM by PseudoIntellect
Anyway, I see some other bias in your post.

You state that the states that Obama is favored in are merely assumed Obama victories which could actually go either way, like in OR. Obama has won all of the states in the northwest/rockies region. But still, it's just as assumption. Okay, fair game.

But then you say that the states that Hillary is favored in are DEFINITELY going to go for Hillary. Hillary has won most, not all, of the states around KY/etc, yet you take this contradictory position on Hillary's chances in her favored states.

I agree, calls for Clinton to quit in the middle of the primary season are not very justified. But it's closer to a 20 point lead with 8 minutes left, with both teams expected to score 20 more points each before the end of the game. Do the math, and you get a winner.
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:54 AM
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116. She may also pay back all the millions she owes to small vendors. Won't necessarily happen though.
I doubt either will happen.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 02:29 AM
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118. Good Job. PA will be the pivot, once the reality of the win hits
the media will ride the new narrative, everyone loves a great comeback.

With the wind at her back and Obama and his team facing sudden, shocking waves of second guessing, it becomes

the Obama supporters worst nightmare. With surprising endorsements, and carefully timed Superdelegate switches the nomination will

slip slowly but inevitably out of Baracks fingers.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 06:47 AM
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120. K&R
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:06 PM
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142. Keep dreaming your crazy pipedreams if you want, but DREAMS are all they are.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:15 AM
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119. Jackson, my Cousin Mervyn wants to book you for
Las Vegas! He thinks you could really clean up on the comedy circuit. Of course you would have to drop some of your wilder fantasies -


Like this one
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 06:59 AM
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121. At most she wins 5; your post is trash.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:58 PM
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122. Why do you people keep adding Florida in
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 12:58 PM by Pawel K
Florida broke the rules, their vote will not count. Clinton knew this when she signed a pledge saying she will not campaign there and that florida doesn't matter. Simple as that, stop repeating this bullshit.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:49 PM
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124. "If she can keep Obama below the 40% mark with white voters"...
... I wonder how on earth a white candidate could do that? There's gotta be a way!
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:33 PM
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128. Nah, if she swiftboated him on race like he did to her with blacks she would keep him below 20%
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:14 PM
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126. If she doesn't get AT LEAST 65% of the vote in ALL of the remaining contests
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 08:24 PM by rocknation
she won't enough delegates to succeed at throwing herself on the mercy of the superdelegates. What Obama is REALLY spending his money on is trying to finish closely enough to her to prevent it.

:headbang:
rocknation
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:42 PM
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130. spend away------HAIL to the SD's
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:59 PM
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139. Yeah, because the SDs are definitely helping Hillary right now. Just look at the trends.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:26 PM
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144. todays trend--+ 3 for Hillary.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:50 PM
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159. That doesn't erase the 60+ Obama SDs since Feb 5.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:12 AM
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160. i was talking about Obama
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:58 PM
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138. Did HRC win her home state by that much ? LOL
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:00 PM
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140. Yes, that is her only win over 60%. Obama has 16, I think.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:05 PM
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141. This is HORSECRAP !! It is about DEMOGRAPHICS, but she WON'T win that many.
Once again, the REAL story is that Hillary, the "inevitable" candidate is NOT inevitable and WON'T be the nominee. Keep dreamin' HillFANS.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:26 PM
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143. He will win NC, Oregon, SD, MT and has a chance in Indiana
and maybe even PA.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:32 PM
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145. ...and then you wake up.
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 09:32 PM by Zhade
NT!

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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:34 PM
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146. Lovely topic, lovely post
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:34 PM
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147. I like the Spin
If I found a lobbyist group I will hire you because your spew out some nice bullshit. Maybe even some people will believe all that garbage. Its over for HRC, even she must realize that but keep it up.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:38 PM
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150.  Glad you like it, because she'll win the nomination.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:44 PM
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153. .
:rofl:

Your satire is great!
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:35 PM
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148. With All Due Respect....You are An Idiot.....
Will you please go to the Slate Delegate Calculator and plug in the winning percentage for the states you think Hiillary will win and then tell me the results!!! Seriously, I want to see your results.

A 10 point win for her in every state still puts her 90 delegates down. NO SUPER DELEGATE WILL TAKE THE NOMINATION FROM OBAMA WHEN HE LEADS BY 90 DELEGATES!!!
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:43 PM
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152. I've been trying to work with him but he isn't the fastest learner.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:42 PM
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151. Despite the fact that she's shown that she understands Oregon issues
better than Obama

See, e.g. Twenty Minutes With Hillary

http://wweek.com/editorial/3422/10767/

I figure she'll lose the primary by somewhere in the range of 5-7 percentage points.

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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:15 PM
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154. Well, I guess
Bozo the Clown could too. But it's also pretty unlikely.

As I understand it, she needs to more than win. She needs to win BIG. Like over 70%. And, as I also understand it, she has only pulled that off in NY and ARK. Two states where she would obviously have an advantage.

I'm not going to say that she should withdraw for the good of the party. She should withdraw to save at least an iota of her dignity. To continue with the math SO against her is just silly. She's counting on the SD's, but she's been hemmoraghing these since Super-Tuesday. She's showing herself to be delusional, and that is so sad.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:18 PM
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155. And the Indiana Pacers may win the NBA championship this year.
But it ain't likely!
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:19 PM
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156. Ah, the audacity of *still* being ahead in delegates *even* if Hillary wins 8 of 9 remaining...
contests.

Obama *IS* the nominee. Kiss the ring.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:21 PM
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157. Unless she wins them all 70-30
She can't catch up.

This is over.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:23 PM
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158. And yet...no
She'll be lucky to win half. This, as I said, is over.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:29 AM
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162. Good analysis. People need to look ahead, too, and realize

that Hillary Clinton can win in November but Barack Obama will lose, and lose big, to John McCain.

You can't win a general election with only some of the Democratic voters voting for you.

And those crossover Repubs will go back to voting GOP; they only voted for Obama because they know he'll be easy to beat in the general election.

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BornBlue Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:54 AM
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163. Impressive list of data.
I just have a few small problems with your conclusions.

Why is a 5 state streak impressive, I happen to remember a 12 contest streak for Obama, was that not more impressive? Or do we now discount caucus's because they are a "sham". These have been the rules for a long time, but now that they are not benefiting Senator Clinton they are not fair?

Also, this idea of inevitability, wasn't that a term thrown around by the Clinton camp before the Primaries started? I just need to figure out how the inevitable candidate became the underdog, and the virtual unknown became the big bad establishment leader. How is it that a person with the name Barack Hussein Obama, is beating a person who has name recognition like we have never seen before?

:shrug:
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:54 AM
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164. I agree! She handles pressure better than anyone... LINK!!
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Ilithiad Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:28 AM
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166. If hillary wins those states
She would need to win each and every one at 65% for her and 35% for Obama and need 63% of the SD. I am a Hillary supporter but she cannot win. Do the delegate math on Cnn's web site and be realistic. SHe may win some of those states but not by enough margin to win the nomination. It isn't possible.
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