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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:20 PM
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Not really a prediction, but something that could happen.
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 02:22 PM by Drunken Irishman
We're now two weeks and a day until the Pennsylvania primary. In the past week, Obama went from trailing by double digits to either tying, or getting within striking distance of Clinton. Unlike Ohio, where Obama never really got closer than 5 points in any poll, there does seem to be a real trend here. Whether that trend is big enough to push Obama to victory probably won't be known until the final week, or even the day of the election. However, if there is a notable trend, like Wisconsin, where Obama opens up a lead, I think it's entirely possible Clinton bows out.

I think everyone can agree, whether you support Obama, Clinton or neither, if she does not win Pennsylvania, her campaign is over. She could probably barely get by if she wins Pennsylvania by a slim margin, but a loss there will do her in. She knows this, the media knows this, her campaign knows this and that's why I believe that if it appears she is going to go down to defeat in Pennsylvania, she will bow out to save herself the humiliation of a loss in a state that should have easily tilted her way.

When Rudy Giuliani lost Florida, he bowed out, even though he could have stayed until Super Tuesday. A big reason why he suspended his campaign was because New York was voting on Super Tuesday and he knew there was a good possibility he'd lose his own state. That's pretty tough for a candidate to accept and even though Pennsylvania is not Clinton's home state, it should be. It's her base, she has near universal support there from the major politicians and had a comfortable double digit lead when the focus shifted there. Losing, while in the race, would be disastrous and a painful blow for the Clinton campaign -- in fact, probably the most painful blow of her political career. That can be avoided if it appears she's headed for defeat there. If it looks like Obama may be pulling away in the final week leading up to the primary, I expect Clinton to announce she is ending her campaign for the better of the party. At that time, she will throw her support to Obama and urge her supporters to do the same.

Now like I said, this is not a prediction. I'm not saying Obama will win PA or even take the lead in most polls. However, it's possible and if Clinton does not look like she is going to win this, I don't think she stays in the race to see the bottom finally fall out. Under this scenario, she decides when to call it quits, instead of being forced out by a vote. Of course, we still have two weeks until the primary and anything can happen. There could be a Clinton surge which ends Obama's chances there in that state and if that's the case, I don't see how she drops out -- even if it's a slim 2-3 point victory like Texas. So the big question now is whether or not something can happen to stop Obama's momentum in the next two weeks. If it doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised if by next Monday Obama is leading in most PA polls and Clinton is slowly laying the foundation to leave the race.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:24 PM
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1. Everywhere Obama goes, he picks up support
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:25 PM
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2. PA has electronic voting, do they not? Rendell can game the votes, can he not?
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 02:25 PM by cryingshame
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:22 PM
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17. Do you have anything at all to back up that accusation?
Or is it just pure character assassination of Rendell? What exactly makes you think he would "game it?"

Bake
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:26 PM
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3. I've got a good feeling about PA; Obama may win it.
PA is not Ohio and people shouldn't make that assumption. I'm from central PA and the feedback I'm getting from family members is all good for Obama. Casey was a huge endorsement (his father was well-loved); the bus tour was a tremendous success and Hillary's 'misstatements' have reminded the honest, hard-working people of PA about Bill Clinton's presidency (they don't like that).

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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:29 PM
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6. Try not to put too much into a possible win because this is not suppose to happen
noone expected him to win it....my eye is on NC ... the Press and everyone knows that if she cant win NC she is finished...Obama's goal is to try to keep the PA loss to 10-15pts and that is what i am still holding out for...nothing less.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:32 PM
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9. Not putting too much into it, just saying it's possible.
I certainly don't expect Hillary to win by 10-15 points unless something unforseen happens in the next two weeks. :hi:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:31 PM
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8. I think Obama loses by about 5 points.
Which will be a "win" in the sense Hillary won't get a major net gain of delegates and little momentum out of it.

If Obama can pull out a stunner, though, it's over and we can finally move on to McCain.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:53 PM
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14. I agree with you, from teh Philly purple burbs
High interest in Obama, even from Indys and Repubes. Not to cross over and mess with the elections either, PA is closed primary. Genuine hunger for something different than McLame or Clintons.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:26 PM
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4. Interesting Hypothesis!
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:27 PM
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5. If she loses PA it's definitely over.
If she loses PA, it blows her only remaining narrative(s) for why she should be the nominee out of the water.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:30 PM
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7. Exactly!
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:37 PM
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10. I should also point out that I think there's only a slim chance of her losing PA.
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 02:38 PM by yibbehobba
Quite frankly, I'm astonished that Obama's doing as well as he is, considering what I know of the Pennsylvania electorate.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:43 PM
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11. After 7 years of Bush with Clinton in the Senate, this is no surprise
People in EVERY state of EVERY persuasion, are just fed up with those in office who have been there too long.

Obama, at the very least, is a fresh face, with a brain in his head, and the correct things to say about lobbyists, the chance for the common person, and the idea that we don't need someone with "experience" to give us more of the same.

Even Pennsylvanians understand that.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:46 PM
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12. The Pennsylvania electorate isn't predictable at this point.
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 02:46 PM by sparosnare
If you had asked me a few months ago if my somewhat bigoted parents were going to register as Democrats for the first time EVER and vote for Obama, I would have laughed hysterically.

They did, and they are. I am still completely amazed.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:51 PM
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13. Those goalposts build strong bodies
She's around until the bitter end. Just my take.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:55 PM
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15. I think she'll quit after Indiana/N Carolina.
Even if she lost PA
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:56 PM
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16. But who's counting...
:)
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