OK, I think I've come up with a compromise with regards to voting for Obama if he's the nominee

[StevieM]

I'll vote for him in the 2008 general election. We have to hold onto the Supreme Court. And we need to stop global warming. So for those two reasons I will hold my nose and cast my ballot for him if he is the nominee.

However, I will vote against him in the 2012 Democratic primaries.

I also won't volunteer in any way for his campaign.

I think this is a fair compromise. I'm sure that it won't be enough to please some of his supporters, who will want me to apologize for loving Hillary.

Steve

[HCE SuiGeneris]

1. I applaud your decision.

:thumbsup:

And if Hillary should become the Nom., I will vote for her.

[JoFerret]

66. What's the big deal?

And I will eat fresh ripe strawberries from my garden with cream when they are in season.

[goclark]

2. That's great Steve

I'm a supporter and that would please me. :hug:

[Flabbergasted]

3. Perfectly reasonable.

[RiverStone]

4. Thanks for voting for the Dem nominee...

Even in compromise.

Our common enemy, that war mongering McCain who plans on being Shrub3, is where we need to focus our collective energy.

peace :)

[WillyT]

5. Sounds Great !!!

:woohoo:

[gateley]

6. Thank you.

That's more than fair. I fear that a non-vote IS a vote for McCain, and I shiver to think he'd put forth for the SCOTUS.

You're to be commended for your compromise. Thank you again. :hug:

[EFerrari]

7. I made a similar compromise to vote for Kerry.

And later, I came to know him and like him in a way I didn't before the election. Go figure.

[LisaL]

10. I did vote for Kerry. Now I really dislike him.

And wouldn't ever vote for him again.

[EFerrari]

What a pity. n/t

[Forkboy]

61. I went from liking him before Bush got elected...

...to not liking him much when he ran in '04, to liking him a lot again now. :crazy:

[LisaL]

8. What 2012 primaries?

Why do you think Obama would be in 2012 primaries?

[StevieM]

13. I mean that if he is elected he will possibly face a challenger from a fellow Democrat in 2012,

a possibility any incumbent president must accept, and I will almost certainly vote for that challenger.

Steve

[papau]

22. Your position is my maximum positive response to an Obama nomination - and will not be

decided until Nov.

[Zhade]

56. That's also fair.

NT!

[Cheap_Trick]

9. I've stated many times

I'll vote for Hillary if it comes down to it. I'll have to take a shower with a brillo pad afterwards and get stinking drunk beforehand, but I'll vote for her. And I will neither campaign for her nor defend her from the right, not after she has cozied up to them.

[Harry Monroe]

45. I'll vote for Hillary also

Then I'll disinfect myself with Lysol

[TheDoorbellRang]

11. A laudable decision, and all anyone could ask

I myself will vote for the democratic nominee this fall, no matter who -- even tho I'm pretty sure who. I certainly understand not wanting to campaign for one's preferred candidate's opponent, but the SCOTUS is too important for any of us to sit home this November.

Thanks, Steve

[Spider Jerusalem]

12. That's good...

although, if Obama wins in November, what makes you think that the result of the primaries in 2012 would be to unseat an incumbent Democratic president? The closest to that happening that I can recall is Ted Kennedy's primary run in 1980, and it didn't happen.

[StevieM]

17. I don't know if a challenge would be succesful, I only know how I would cast my ballot.

In the mean time, I said I would vote for him this November if he's nominated--that's the best I can do.

Steve

[smalll]

14. I'll vote for Obama if he's the nominee too.

My compromise will be that I'll visit a Starbucks first, and spit in a couple of lattes when no-one's looking. It will make having to vote pro-cult a lot more bearable.

[virtualobserver]

15. as an Obama supporter who had previously said that I would vote McCain

you are right,,,,both of those issues are too important.

and God knows what McCain will do in Iran and Iraq.

What was I thinking?

I'll vote for Hillary

[Zhade]

57. I'd have to sit it out, because I don't endorse liars.

Thankfully, it's unlikely to be a concern.

[StevieM]

59. What a lovely thing to say on a thread that tried to be conciliatory and say I would vote for Obama

I wasn't sure I would and Hillary's supporters really don't have to. The arrogance on this board from some of the Obama supporters is astounding.

Carefull....these things tend to boomerang.

Steve

[thevoiceofreason]

16. Work for the good local candidates too!

Not that you needed someone to say that to you, certainly. But I do worry about the money and volunteers focused so fully on the presidential race. You'll probably be doing the country the most net net good. Thanks.

[StevieM]

19. Yeah, there are a lot of good Dems running this year. I wish I lived in Minn. so I could volunteer

for Al Franken. But no such luck.

Steve

[mkultra]

18. lol, nice last line

fyi, ill vote for Hillary but i wont campaign or volunteer. So hows it going on the other side of the coin?

[StevieM]

23. Just fine. Thanks for your vote (eom)

[melody]

20. I'll work and vote for ANY Democrat

I know what happens when we elect Republicans.

Anyone who thinks they're making a "wise choice" by NOT working for the Democrat is merely helping elect the GOP.

[StevieM]

21. Melody, I said I'd vote for him, that's the best I can do. I'm not happy right now but I'm trying

to do the right thing. This isn't easy for me. I love Hillary and I really don't like Obama. But I realize that this election is important.

Steve

[SaveAmerica]

37. I hate that this election is so emotionally draining, we should be celebrating every month til Nov 4

:hug:

[melody]

39. I understand, and I'm very angry at Hillary, but if she was the nominee, I'd be raring to go

The enemy is every bit as bad as it has ever been.

Still, trust me, I do understand your predicament and admire your honesty.

[Avalux]

24. What if Obama surprises you and is a great president?

Maybe you didn't consider that when you wrote your post, which seems to be based on your presumption he will not have a good 4 years. If he does, why wouldn't you vote for him again in 2012? ;-)

[BlooInBloo]

26. Doesn't matter. He'll never admit to being wrong - that's much more important.

[StevieM]

29. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. I admit so frequently. I just like someone

who you don't like. I'm sorry you think that you know the soul of every person who loves Hillary Clinton. You don't know anything about me.

Steve

[StevieM]

31. I just can't imagine that happenning, but it's always possible. What I'm saying is that

I won't feel any obligation to vote to renominate an incumbent president simply because they are an incumbent Democrat.

If he's nominated and elected I am not expecting anything more of him then to appoint the right judges and do something about global warming before it is too late.

Steve

[quakerboy]

44. Noone should ever feel constrained to renominate

purely because of incumbency.

[BlooInBloo]

25. (shrug) If that's what it takes to make you feel like you've stuck it to us, fine...

... It's really quite asinine, but whatever gets you thru the nite.

[StevieM]

28. What's your problem? I'm trying to be reasonable here and say that I'll vote for the nominee

I get through the night just fine, I have friends and family that I love and who love me. My focus isn't really on an internet message board.

My vote is a precious thing and I don't give it away lightly. As an Obama supporter I would think that you would be glad that it is going to your candidate if he wins the nomination.

Steve

[BlooInBloo]

30. Edwards was my candidate, tiger.

[Pirate Smile]

27. Deal

:thumbsup:

[libnnc]

32. I don't want anyone to apologize for supporting Hillary Clinton

The momentum is with Barack Obama. He's a fine candidate. Clinton is a fine candidate as well---her campaign, however, has not been run well and she has suffered as a result. Whatever happens, we all agree that Grampy McCrazyass must never cross the threshold of the White House. That would be bad for us all.

[SaveAmerica]

33. I hope no one ever suggests you apologize for loving your candidate!!

I hope that when you do vote in the general, you will feel so comfortable about that vote that there won't be a need for nose holding (I feel that way about everyone, no matter who their favorite is).

[CoffeeCat]

34. I think that's cool...

...and I feel for you. Feeling like you have to "hold your nose" and vote for a fellow Dem, must
not be a good feeling. You want to feel proud of the vote you cast. I'm sorry you won't feel that way.

If you want to share, can I ask...why don't you like Obama?

Are there things about his policies or background that you really don't like?

Or, are you just more pro-Hillary and your views are more about liking Hillary best?

I think it's nice that you're trying to find some common ground and build a bridge.

It really is sad that many Democrats won't cast their votes with pride and joy. I wish
we could all have that.

[StevieM]

38. Well, I won't get too into it, because I started this thread to diffuse this stuff, not reintroduce

it. But I'll say that I don't agree with some of his positions and that I find him arrogant. I won't elaborate too much, but I remember in the Wisconsin primary he ran an ad talking about the mortgage issue and referred to a study. He didn't mention that the study was done by his own campaign. I don't find that to be acceptable.

But I find another Scalia or Thomas to be even less acceptable.

Steve

[CTLawGuy]

35. fine

she can run against him in 2012 for all I care, that's what primaries are for.

[Shae]

36. That's good enough

Thanks for voting Democratic.
:thumbsup:

[Godhumor]

40. My compromise is very simple & similar to yours

I vote for the Democrat in November and I'll vote for that same person in 2012 (assuming he or she runs essentially uncontested). In 2016, I'll work for my chosen candidate and then, in November, I'll vote for the Democratic nominee.

I love Clinton; I've spent this entire primary season hoping to see her come out victorious. At the end of the day, regardless of mudslinging, I just can not imagine deciding a Republican is a better choice.

[quakerboy]

41. I am glad to hear that

I hope that the next 4 years change your mind about 2012.

[anigbrowl]

42. That's reasonable. Then you have 3-4 years to rate his performance.

Hopefully you'll be pleased with the results if he gets elected.

[Mooney]

43. Just think of it as voting against McCain.

It becomes a lot less objectionable when you look at it that way.

[anonymous171]

46. Good idea. Infighting should be kept to the primaries.

[loveangelc]

47. nvm

[Hippo_Tron]

48. Don't you think you should wait to see how he does as president before deciding about 2012?

Otherwise I think that's perfectly reasonable. Hope you will get out and help your state and local candidates if you won't help Obama's campaign, though.

[Jed Dilligan]

49. That's, um, big of you...

I feel the same about your person.

[Eurobabe]

50. All it took for me to remove the duct tape for an HRC vote was McLame/Kindasleazy

being floated this weekend. :puke:

[TTUBatfan2008]

51. Good decision...

rational and a fair compromise. McCain is simply scary to think about as President, especially his temper while having the power to start nuclear wars.

[kwenu]

52. Sounds fair and sensible to me. Putting the Repubs out of the WH is bigger than either candidate.

[stratomagi]

53. You may have to consider that if he does good enough on his 1st term

he may run unopposed for the 2012 primaries...speaking of which how often do people run against a sitting president in the primaries?

[StevieM]

54. He hasn't gotten the nomination yet. And he hasn't gotten elected yet. But if he does become

the next president, then I just don't have high hopes for him. I really just want him to save the Supreme Court from people like Scalia and Thomas, and to finally address global warming. If he does those two things then my vote will have been worth it, because we don't have four years to wait. But that doesn't entitle him to my vote for renomination, and I can't imagine that I would ever give it to him. We'll see if he has a primary challenger. Truman, LBJ and Carter all did. Clinton didn't. My guess is that he will and I will almost certainly vote for that person. My vote in 11/08--if he's the nominee--will just have to be good enough.

Steve

[Zhade]

55. That's imminently reasonable.

NT!

[MrSlayer]

58. My exact reasoning should it go the other way.

I will vote for Hillary if she somehow finagles her way into the nomination because there is no real choice in the matter.

[AZBlue]

60. If HRC were going to be the nom, I would simply be voting against McCain.

We have to do what we have to do!

[Raejeanowl]

62. We All Have To Do What We All Have To Do

If that means voting for our less-favored (or hated?) Dem candidate to keep the Republicans out of the White House, so be it. And under those circumstances, try to maintain confidence that your best expectations for that person's performance will be met and exceeded. So we can begin to relax and feel like compatriots (instead of combatants) again.

[FatDave]

63. Thank you, StevieM

Being a democrat is rough. You rarely get to vote for who you want, but they're all better than republicans.

[MagickMuffin]

64. We all should consider the Supreme Court as one of the main objectives

While I'm an Obama supporter, if he doesn't somehow win the nomination, I will only campaign to get the next democratic president elected.

I won't be campaigning or volunteering for Hillary, but I will campaign against McChaineyBush. I intend to get people to come to their senses about the Supreme Court and other pressing issues facing our country. Maybe you'll be of help along those lines as well.

[JoFerret]

65. He will have strong opposition in the 2012 primaries

should he chose to run. Whichever way 2008 plays out.